Theoretical socialism

WestlinnDuck said:

Well, when Chavez was elected president of Venezuela in 1998 oil was about $12 a barrel and Venezuela was one of the more prosperous countries’ in South America. Now with oil selling at nearly four times that, Venezuela is an economic basket case with a collapsing nationalized oil industry. The miracle of socialism. Nice attempt at making shit up and deflecting the real reason for the economic collapse.

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

greenblood said:

Venezuela is what you get when 95% of your country's economy is reliant on a single resource.

Someone gets it.

So then Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar should all be economic basket cases like Venezuela.

Can you address the question posed to you? Look up the reasons for the collapse.

SFGbob said:

And of course their socialist policies had nothing to do with their spending.

Good for you Hondo regarding Medicare only took you 5 days to admit you’re a dumbfuck, of course you’re still wrong, but the first step can’t begin until you admit you’re a fucking moron

“Misspoke”. I believe that’s Kunt for put your head up your ass.

2001400ex said:

MikeDamone said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

But but but Venezuela!!!!!

Sweet gezus are you a pathetic dumbfuck. Good to see Hondo doesn't speak in talking points.

What politician is promoting the same politics that bright Venezuela to where it is? Supporting your advert with facts about their position and the issues in Venezuela would be great.

Elizabeth Warren has some good ideas

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/elizabeth-warren-accountable-capitalism-act/

Again, relate those policies to the downfall of Venezuela.

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

greenblood said:

Venezuela is what you get when 95% of your country's economy is reliant on a single resource.

Someone gets it.

So then Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar should all be economic basket cases like Venezuela.

you might want to research Bahrain's and Qatar's oil production. It isn't much.

Kuwait is also much more diversified than you think.

Yes they are diversified now, they weren’t always so. There was nothing stopping Venezuela from diversifying their economy.

The fact that Venezuela got so much of their income from oil doesn’t explain why they are a shithole today.

greenblood said:

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Sledog said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

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SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Free college isn't free shit? Free health care isn't free shit? Free housing isn't free shit? Free food isn't free shit?

That's not what I said. I asked what politician is advocating the same policies that took Venezuelan down. I'd stay off Fox news and talk radio and actually learn about the issues in Venezuela.

In fact, big bad China that Trump is trying to keep from passing our economy is actually full communist. Why are you so worried about them, shouldn't their communism take them down any day?

Yeah "learn" from Hondo the same fucking moron who claims Medicare doesn't add to our deficit and that we only allow 60K a year of legal immigrants into this country each year.

I see you won't address the question either. Stop being a pussy and just screaming Venezuela like your news source does.

I did address it. A fucking moron who claims that Medicare doesn't add to our deficit has no business telling anyone else they need to educate themselves. It's like listening to marriage counseling from Scott Peterson.

So you don't want to address the question in this thread? I mean you talked about free medical and free college. Neither of which has to do with the issues in Venezuela.

Socialism is the issue in Venezuela.

Other people not so much. Do some research man. Stay off Fox news and talk radio. There's a wealth of information at your fingertips.

Fuck you and you "do your research" you fucking moron, I bury you ignorant ass here every fucking day and after I've exposed you for the dumbfuck you are you run and hide like a fucking Kunt.

Take a look at that thread where you put your head up your ass and claimed Medicare doesn't add to our deficit.

Simply being heavily reliant on oil isn't what destroyed the Venezuela economy. Massive government borrowing and spending to pay for their Socialist utopia is what destroyed them. No Socialism, and Venezuela is just fine.

Why did I know you'd go to Medicare. STFU and stay on task. Yes I misspoke on Medicare and it is what it is. There is still a trust fund for part A, so what I said was partially correct, but I forgot about part D which was unfunded.

That being said, I educated myself and understand thar issue. You still don't have a clue on Venezuela. You just hear what your news source says, think it applies to America, and rail on about it without actually educating yourself.

The core issue with Venezuela was spending more than they take in and not having and further credit when oil fell and spending didn't. Then it started the cycle. Then you try to apply free college and medical and compare it to Venezuela. Here's a new flash for you, we have a deficit spending problem in America too. Another shocker, the people you voted for and suck their balls increased the deficit the last two years in a period with an economic expansion, when the deficit should be shrinking. That's what you should be railing on, not comparing us to Venezuela when you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

Oil failed because Venezuela being socialist seized the oil industry. They didn't know how to run it. Why would the people that do stay? This happens in every socialist takeover. History much?

Most of the ownership of business in China is owned by the government and they sure are doing fine with economic growth. HTH

True...but how much growth is because of intellectual theft?

Sounds like you know. You want to provide the answer?

$14 billion annually from the US. Everybody else... who the hell knows

creepycoug said:

allpurpleallgold said:

More than half of millennials have a positive view of socialism. You’ve already lost.

Eh. Do they really? Maybe they come home over winter break and tell their parents that socialism could really work!

Until they get cut off, college is over, and therefore so is the party.

The true believers will go and do public interest work, and God bless 'em. The country can't run on everyone chasing the brass ring. We need people willing to do jerbs that don't pay a lot.

The others will chase the brass ring and jump into capitalism with both feet. Trust me.

Kids want to live in Boston, SF, Seattle, LA, Austin. Those places aren't friendly to people on a budget.

Once they start making bank, they will start doing this thing called paying taxes. Once that happens, their views on things will begin to shape.

Just like I tried, in vain, to explain to Westlinnfaggot, this isn't the issue that neo-populist Trump ball lickers want to make it out to be. It's just rhetoric for faggots like bobsled.

greenblood said:

2001400ex said:

greenblood said:

2001400ex said:

greenblood said:

2001400ex said:

Sledog said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Free college isn't free shit? Free health care isn't free shit? Free housing isn't free shit? Free food isn't free shit?

That's not what I said. I asked what politician is advocating the same policies that took Venezuelan down. I'd stay off Fox news and talk radio and actually learn about the issues in Venezuela.

In fact, big bad China that Trump is trying to keep from passing our economy is actually full communist. Why are you so worried about them, shouldn't their communism take them down any day?

Yeah "learn" from Hondo the same fucking moron who claims Medicare doesn't add to our deficit and that we only allow 60K a year of legal immigrants into this country each year.

I see you won't address the question either. Stop being a pussy and just screaming Venezuela like your news source does.

I did address it. A fucking moron who claims that Medicare doesn't add to our deficit has no business telling anyone else they need to educate themselves. It's like listening to marriage counseling from Scott Peterson.

So you don't want to address the question in this thread? I mean you talked about free medical and free college. Neither of which has to do with the issues in Venezuela.

Socialism is the issue in Venezuela.

Other people not so much. Do some research man. Stay off Fox news and talk radio. There's a wealth of information at your fingertips.

Fuck you and you "do your research" you fucking moron, I bury you ignorant ass here every fucking day and after I've exposed you for the dumbfuck you are you run and hide like a fucking Kunt.

Take a look at that thread where you put your head up your ass and claimed Medicare doesn't add to our deficit.

Simply being heavily reliant on oil isn't what destroyed the Venezuela economy. Massive government borrowing and spending to pay for their Socialist utopia is what destroyed them. No Socialism, and Venezuela is just fine.

Why did I know you'd go to Medicare. STFU and stay on task. Yes I misspoke on Medicare and it is what it is. There is still a trust fund for part A, so what I said was partially correct, but I forgot about part D which was unfunded.

That being said, I educated myself and understand thar issue. You still don't have a clue on Venezuela. You just hear what your news source says, think it applies to America, and rail on about it without actually educating yourself.

The core issue with Venezuela was spending more than they take in and not having and further credit when oil fell and spending didn't. Then it started the cycle. Then you try to apply free college and medical and compare it to Venezuela. Here's a new flash for you, we have a deficit spending problem in America too. Another shocker, the people you voted for and suck their balls increased the deficit the last two years in a period with an economic expansion, when the deficit should be shrinking. That's what you should be railing on, not comparing us to Venezuela when you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

Oil failed because Venezuela being socialist seized the oil industry. They didn't know how to run it. Why would the people that do stay? This happens in every socialist takeover. History much?

Most of the ownership of business in China is owned by the government and they sure are doing fine with economic growth. HTH

True...but how much growth is because of intellectual theft?

Sounds like you know. You want to provide the answer?

$14 billion annually from the US. Everybody else... who the hell knows

Cool.. What's that as a percent of their GDP?

Intellectual theft of US property alone amounts to about 1% of their GDP.

greenblood said:

2001400ex said:

greenblood said:

2001400ex said:

greenblood said:

2001400ex said:

greenblood said:

2001400ex said:

Sledog said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Free college isn't free shit? Free health care isn't free shit? Free housing isn't free shit? Free food isn't free shit?

That's not what I said. I asked what politician is advocating the same policies that took Venezuelan down. I'd stay off Fox news and talk radio and actually learn about the issues in Venezuela.

In fact, big bad China that Trump is trying to keep from passing our economy is actually full communist. Why are you so worried about them, shouldn't their communism take them down any day?

Yeah "learn" from Hondo the same fucking moron who claims Medicare doesn't add to our deficit and that we only allow 60K a year of legal immigrants into this country each year.

I see you won't address the question either. Stop being a pussy and just screaming Venezuela like your news source does.

I did address it. A fucking moron who claims that Medicare doesn't add to our deficit has no business telling anyone else they need to educate themselves. It's like listening to marriage counseling from Scott Peterson.

So you don't want to address the question in this thread? I mean you talked about free medical and free college. Neither of which has to do with the issues in Venezuela.

Socialism is the issue in Venezuela.

Other people not so much. Do some research man. Stay off Fox news and talk radio. There's a wealth of information at your fingertips.

Fuck you and you "do your research" you fucking moron, I bury you ignorant ass here every fucking day and after I've exposed you for the dumbfuck you are you run and hide like a fucking Kunt.

Take a look at that thread where you put your head up your ass and claimed Medicare doesn't add to our deficit.

Simply being heavily reliant on oil isn't what destroyed the Venezuela economy. Massive government borrowing and spending to pay for their Socialist utopia is what destroyed them. No Socialism, and Venezuela is just fine.

Why did I know you'd go to Medicare. STFU and stay on task. Yes I misspoke on Medicare and it is what it is. There is still a trust fund for part A, so what I said was partially correct, but I forgot about part D which was unfunded.

That being said, I educated myself and understand thar issue. You still don't have a clue on Venezuela. You just hear what your news source says, think it applies to America, and rail on about it without actually educating yourself.

The core issue with Venezuela was spending more than they take in and not having and further credit when oil fell and spending didn't. Then it started the cycle. Then you try to apply free college and medical and compare it to Venezuela. Here's a new flash for you, we have a deficit spending problem in America too. Another shocker, the people you voted for and suck their balls increased the deficit the last two years in a period with an economic expansion, when the deficit should be shrinking. That's what you should be railing on, not comparing us to Venezuela when you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

Oil failed because Venezuela being socialist seized the oil industry. They didn't know how to run it. Why would the people that do stay? This happens in every socialist takeover. History much?

Most of the ownership of business in China is owned by the government and they sure are doing fine with economic growth. HTH

True...but how much growth is because of intellectual theft?

Sounds like you know. You want to provide the answer?

$14 billion annually from the US. Everybody else... who the hell knows

Cool.. What's that as a percent of their GDP?

Intellectual theft of US property alone amounts to about 1% of their GDP.

Wut? The entire GDP of China is $1.4 trillion?

Yes about 1%. I was wrong with the $14 billion figure. I heard the $14B on CNBC, but they may have been using a specific month figure. I don’t know why so wide a variance but it’s between $225 billion and $600 billion annually. So yes 1% is about right.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/23/technology/china-us-trump-tariffs-ip-theft/index.html

Again, that is the US by itself. I can’t find figures on other developed countries like Japan, UK, Germany, etc. All of which signed on to the complaint yesterday.