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I think your missing the fact that they would have more than 50,000 new jobs had the minimum wage not been hiked. I'm going to get my popcorn ready to see how the Seattle low wage job market will look like after the next economic downturn. Should be interesting...2001400ex said:
Except with 50,000 new jobs in downtown, if you have reduced demand, you have a shitty business.UW_Doog_Bot said:
1) It's a study on raising minimum wage hth. It's doing pretty much exactly what anyone with any inkling of classical economics would predict. Reducing demand by artificially creating a price floor for supply.2001400ex said:
You think releasing a study about the effects of a $15 million wage before it even went up to $15 an hour is effective? Besides, I thought all colleges were ran by liberal fucktards.UW_Doog_Bot said:
TY for proving my point. "Never mind the study! I know business!"2001400ex said:
Yes I'm aware of what the UW study said. And yes that was over 18 months ago and yes minimum wage wasn't even up to $15 an hour then. And no businesses don't just reduce hours worked. Any business owner that reduces hours and thus reduces customer service, is pretty fucktarded. They aren't having anyone work any more hours than they have to regardless of whether it's $15 or $10.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.2001400ex said:
Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.greenblood said:
I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...allpurpleallgold said:I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.
Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.
How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs
p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
It's clear you understand what is taught in economics in school and you've never actually ran a business.
2) Not an opinion I have ever expressed. I can't decide if this is a non-sequitur, red herring, or an ad-hominem. I guess you are in the no-science camp then?
And yes number 2 is a shot at those around here that think universities are liberals brainwashing the youth of the country. -
Statists will blame the free market for the inefficiency caused by government intervention and claim the solution is even moar government. Same as it ever was.greenblood said:
I think your missing the fact that they would have more than 50,000 new jobs had the minimum wage not been hiked. I'm going to get my popcorn ready to see how the Seattle low wage job market will look like after the next economic downturn. Should be interesting...2001400ex said:
Except with 50,000 new jobs in downtown, if you have reduced demand, you have a shitty business.UW_Doog_Bot said:
1) It's a study on raising minimum wage hth. It's doing pretty much exactly what anyone with any inkling of classical economics would predict. Reducing demand by artificially creating a price floor for supply.2001400ex said:
You think releasing a study about the effects of a $15 million wage before it even went up to $15 an hour is effective? Besides, I thought all colleges were ran by liberal fucktards.UW_Doog_Bot said:
TY for proving my point. "Never mind the study! I know business!"2001400ex said:
Yes I'm aware of what the UW study said. And yes that was over 18 months ago and yes minimum wage wasn't even up to $15 an hour then. And no businesses don't just reduce hours worked. Any business owner that reduces hours and thus reduces customer service, is pretty fucktarded. They aren't having anyone work any more hours than they have to regardless of whether it's $15 or $10.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.2001400ex said:
Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.greenblood said:
I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...allpurpleallgold said:I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.
Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.
How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs
p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
It's clear you understand what is taught in economics in school and you've never actually ran a business.
2) Not an opinion I have ever expressed. I can't decide if this is a non-sequitur, red herring, or an ad-hominem. I guess you are in the no-science camp then?
And yes number 2 is a shot at those around here that think universities are liberals brainwashing the youth of the country.
Just go look at the medicare for all thread. It's the perfect example. -
Even liberal universities understand simple economics...just another data point to show you are way off the deep end.2001400ex said:
Except with 50,000 new jobs in downtown, if you have reduced demand, you have a shitty business.UW_Doog_Bot said:
1) It's a study on raising minimum wage hth. It's doing pretty much exactly what anyone with any inkling of classical economics would predict. Reducing demand by artificially creating a price floor for supply.2001400ex said:
You think releasing a study about the effects of a $15 million wage before it even went up to $15 an hour is effective? Besides, I thought all colleges were ran by liberal fucktards.UW_Doog_Bot said:
TY for proving my point. "Never mind the study! I know business!"2001400ex said:
Yes I'm aware of what the UW study said. And yes that was over 18 months ago and yes minimum wage wasn't even up to $15 an hour then. And no businesses don't just reduce hours worked. Any business owner that reduces hours and thus reduces customer service, is pretty fucktarded. They aren't having anyone work any more hours than they have to regardless of whether it's $15 or $10.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.2001400ex said:
Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.greenblood said:
I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...allpurpleallgold said:I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.
Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.
How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs
p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
It's clear you understand what is taught in economics in school and you've never actually ran a business.
2) Not an opinion I have ever expressed. I can't decide if this is a non-sequitur, red herring, or an ad-hominem. I guess you are in the no-science camp then?
And yes number 2 is a shot at those around here that think universities are liberals brainwashing the youth of the country.
HondoFS... -
Michael Reich, a UC Berkeley economics professor who was lead author on the Berkeley report, said he found the UW team’s report not credible for a number of reasons.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hahahaha JCallpurpleallgold said:
It’s actually hilarious that you’re popping off in one thread about how you’ll pick a study apart and then linking to an article that picks the study you like apart.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Damn, should have gone to page 2, oh well, I've cited this study and others so many times but @allpurpleallgold and honda have got their blinders on.BleachedAnusDawg said:
What kind of jobs are you talking about? I can assure you that it's harmed the lower-wage earners. Remember when the City of Seattle and its disgraced pedophile Mayor paid UW to do a study on the effects of $15/hr, UW did the study and it didn't say what the city wanted it to say and the city ended up burying it?2001400ex said:
Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.greenblood said:
I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...allpurpleallgold said:I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.
Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.
How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
https://seattletimes.com/business/uw-study-finds-seattles-minimum-wage-is-costing-jobs/
Seattle’s minimum-wage law is boosting wages for a range of low-paid workers, but the law is causing those workers as a group to lose hours, and it’s also costing jobs, according to the latest study on the measure passed by the City Council in 2014.
The report, by members of the University of Washington team studying the law’s impacts for the city of Seattle, is being published Monday as a working paper by a nonprofit think tank, the National Bureau of Economic Research.
From the article
[The team concluded that the second jump had a far greater impact, boosting pay in low-wage jobs by about 3 percent since 2014 but also resulting in a 9 percent reduction in hours worked in such jobs. That resulted in a 6 percent drop in what employers collectively pay — and what workers earn — for those low-wage jobs.
For an average low-wage worker in Seattle, that translates into a loss of about $125 per month per job.
“If you’re a low-skilled worker with one of those jobs, $125 a month is a sizable amount of money,” said Mark Long, a UW public-policy professor and one of the authors of the report. “It can be the difference between being able to pay your rent and not being able to pay your rent.”
The report also estimated that there are about 5,000 fewer low-wage jobs in the city than there would have been without the law.]
He said the UW researchers’ “synthetic” Seattle model draws only from areas in Washington that are nothing like Seattle, and the report excludes multisite businesses, which employ a large percentage of Seattle’s low-paid workforce. The latter fact was also problematic, he said, because that meant workers who left single-site businesses to work at multisite businesses were counted as job losses, not job gains in the UW study.
Reich also thought the $19 threshold was too low, and he said the UW researchers’ report “finds an unprecedented impact of wage increases on jobs, ten times more than in hundreds of minimum wage and non-minimum wage studies. … “There is no reason,” he said, that Seattle’s employers of low-paid workers “should be so much more sensitive to wage increases.”
jajajajajaja jc -
A few years ago Adam Carolla was discussing some activist who decried that a father could not raise his wife and four kids working the counter at McDonald's. To which Adam replied that McDonalds counter jobs were never intended to be a lifetime position which was meant to feed 6 people.RaceBannon said:
I agree with this. Its not up to the gubmintMikeDamone said:
People should be paid more if they have skills that someone is willing to pay more for. Raising the price of labor by government force is counter productive. Also, it will never be enough.allpurpleallgold said:I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.
Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.
If you want to get paid more do not aspire to a career in an entry level job -
Color me shocked that the Seattle Times actually ran that piece.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.2001400ex said:
Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.greenblood said:
I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...allpurpleallgold said:I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.
Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.
How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs
p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work. -
Oh right. Cause Seattle times is only liberal. And your news source is fair and balanced.DerekJohnson said:
Color me shocked that the Seattle Times actually ran that piece.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.2001400ex said:
Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.greenblood said:
I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...allpurpleallgold said:I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.
Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.
How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs
p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work. -
If only the owner of this business actually ran a business... you fucking idiot.2001400ex said:
Yes I'm aware of what the UW study said. And yes that was over 18 months ago and yes minimum wage wasn't even up to $15 an hour then. And no businesses don't just reduce hours worked. Any business owner that reduces hours and thus reduces customer service, is pretty fucktarded. They aren't having anyone work any more hours than they have to regardless of whether it's $15 or $10.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.2001400ex said:
Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.greenblood said:
I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...allpurpleallgold said:I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.
Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.
How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs
p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
It's clear you understand what is taught in economics in school and you've never actually ran a business.
http://mynorthwest.com/491148/louisas-owner-seattle-too-expensive/?
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/food-drink/eastlake-bakery-and-cafe-louisas-suddenly-closes/ -
Did you read the article, she's making my exact point. 1) she said there was other ongoing issues. 2) she said the business isn't the type of business to bring in enough revenue.MikeDamone said:
If only the owner of this business actually ran a business... you fucking idiot.2001400ex said:
Yes I'm aware of what the UW study said. And yes that was over 18 months ago and yes minimum wage wasn't even up to $15 an hour then. And no businesses don't just reduce hours worked. Any business owner that reduces hours and thus reduces customer service, is pretty fucktarded. They aren't having anyone work any more hours than they have to regardless of whether it's $15 or $10.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Holy shit, I've literally linked the academic study that shows that $15/hr minimum did in fact reduce low wage jobs in Seattle.2001400ex said:
Got any evidence of that? Remember when they said it would destroy jobs in downtown Seattle? What do you think had happened since minimum wage came in? It sure as fuck didn't actually kill jobs.greenblood said:
I said the prospects of $15/hr. That will be the wage in 2022. Weird how businesses plan ahead...allpurpleallgold said:I can assure you that people have been replaced by machines long before a $15 minimum wage and the minimum wage at the McDonalds across the street from Disneyland isn’t $15.
Automation is inevitable. Your argument that people shouldn’t be paid more because they’ll be replaced by machines that are replacing them anyways is either ignorant or disingenuous.
How many remedial $15/hr jobs can be done by machines? 90%? The only thing minimum wage does is put people out of work. You actually hurt the people you are trying to help. This APAG is what ignorance is...
Seattle Times summary w/ link to the study in it.
UW Study Finds Seattle's Minimum Wage is Costing Jobs
p.s. it also actually reduces low wage workers take home pay bc businesses simply reduce the hours they work.
It's clear you understand what is taught in economics in school and you've never actually ran a business.
http://mynorthwest.com/491148/louisas-owner-seattle-too-expensive/?
https://www.seattletimes.com/life/food-drink/eastlake-bakery-and-cafe-louisas-suddenly-closes/
There's 50,000 new jobs downtown... If a $1 change in wages is what takes your business down, there's obviously other factors.
You are better than that Mike. -
@2001400ex So Hondo you pumped the burger flippers at your place to $15.00 an hour right? Or more since it has no impact.
I'll bet money you pay them as little as possible.
