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James Atoe - First round LT
He would have had a chance to go for a 3000-1000 yard year.dnc said:
Agreed completely. Having a tight end would have made a big difference. And can you imagine Jake running the read option with Polk or Sankey?IrishDawg22 said:
Jake would have been lights out in this new system and having an actual TE to throw to not named Barnett or Izbicki.dnc said:
Since I think you're actually serious, here goes. Jake had one incredible talent - he was a great runner. Big, fast, strong, elusive, Jake was a serious threat everytime he took off. His running was something every team had to account for.puppylove_sugarsteel said:How did Sark sacrifice Jake?
dnc said:
I love Jack, but he is exhibit A for Sark sacrificing a kid and the team for his own ego. Taking away Locker's ability to run was the antithesis of Rick coming in and running the option with Tui.Gladstone said:Yep, agreed with Irish. When I think Sark, I think about the complete failure to adequately recruit and develop OL. Brostek encapsulates that failure.
Also Locker doesn't deserve to be on that list. Overrated though he is.
Sark turned Jake into a rich NFL player with a bright future. What sacrifice do you speak of dipshit?dnc said:
I love Jack, but he is exhibit A for Sark sacrificing a kid and the team for his own ego. Taking away Locker's ability to run was the antithesis of Rick coming in and running the option with Tui.Gladstone said:Yep, agreed with Irish. When I think Sark, I think about the complete failure to adequately recruit and develop OL. Brostek encapsulates that failure.
Also Locker doesn't deserve to be on that list. Overrated though he is.
Sark comes in and decides he's going to make Jake a pocket passer to show the world what a great QB guru he is, taking away 90% of his greatest asset.
And here's the thing - Jake's greatest asset as a passer is the ability to throw on the move. I don't believe for a second he doesn't go as high or higher if Sark didn't let him do what he did best, ESPECIALLY since Sark never bothered to develop an OL that would allow him to throw well from the pocket. And UW wins at least 3 or 4 more games total with Jake being allowed to run his junior and senior years.
But Sark put a leash on him so people like you would believe that Sark turned him into a rich NFL player. Success!
Plus all those bubble screens really boost the completion %. -
Josh Shirley - Looked amazing as a frosh. Not even sure he's still on the team by his junior year.
Yeah, but still.WildcatHB said:
From what I remember Locker wasn't the best decision maker when we actually did run the read option.dnc said:
Agreed completely. Having a tight end would have made a big difference. And can you imagine Jake running the read option with Polk or Sankey?IrishDawg22 said:
Jake would have been lights out in this new system and having an actual TE to throw to not named Barnett or Izbicki.dnc said:
Since I think you're actually serious, here goes. Jake had one incredible talent - he was a great runner. Big, fast, strong, elusive, Jake was a serious threat everytime he took off. His running was something every team had to account for.puppylove_sugarsteel said:How did Sark sacrifice Jake?
dnc said:
I love Jack, but he is exhibit A for Sark sacrificing a kid and the team for his own ego. Taking away Locker's ability to run was the antithesis of Rick coming in and running the option with Tui.Gladstone said:Yep, agreed with Irish. When I think Sark, I think about the complete failure to adequately recruit and develop OL. Brostek encapsulates that failure.
Also Locker doesn't deserve to be on that list. Overrated though he is.
Sark turned Jake into a rich NFL player with a bright future. What sacrifice do you speak of dipshit?dnc said:
I love Jack, but he is exhibit A for Sark sacrificing a kid and the team for his own ego. Taking away Locker's ability to run was the antithesis of Rick coming in and running the option with Tui.Gladstone said:Yep, agreed with Irish. When I think Sark, I think about the complete failure to adequately recruit and develop OL. Brostek encapsulates that failure.
Also Locker doesn't deserve to be on that list. Overrated though he is.
Sark comes in and decides he's going to make Jake a pocket passer to show the world what a great QB guru he is, taking away 90% of his greatest asset.
And here's the thing - Jake's greatest asset as a passer is the ability to throw on the move. I don't believe for a second he doesn't go as high or higher if Sark didn't let him do what he did best, ESPECIALLY since Sark never bothered to develop an OL that would allow him to throw well from the pocket. And UW wins at least 3 or 4 more games total with Jake being allowed to run his junior and senior years.
But Sark put a leash on him so people like you would believe that Sark turned him into a rich NFL player. Success!
Plus all those bubble screens really boost the completion %.
I know Jack wasn't the brightest, but even if he only made the right decision 50% of the time it would have been a great weapon, and surely he could have gotten to 60 or 70%, at least.
IIRC, it was still a pretty solid weapon with Jack and Rankin Jack's frosh year. And Polk and Sankey are both >>>>>> Rankin (who was much better than whoever played when Polk got hurt in 08 - I've blocked most of that year out).
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Jake Locker - Overrated, not that bright, terribly inconsistent. Just a couple manboobs and trips to Joey's from being Sark.
Lockner can eat a dick but in his defense they never really ran the read option with him. They ran plays that looked like the read option but he wasn't supposed to keep it. It looked like omg he should have just kept it all the time because they didn't let him keep it. They were designed handoffs.WildcatHB said:
From what I remember Locker wasn't the best decision maker when we actually did run the read option.dnc said:
Agreed completely. Having a tight end would have made a big difference. And can you imagine Jake running the read option with Polk or Sankey?IrishDawg22 said:
Jake would have been lights out in this new system and having an actual TE to throw to not named Barnett or Izbicki.dnc said:
Since I think you're actually serious, here goes. Jake had one incredible talent - he was a great runner. Big, fast, strong, elusive, Jake was a serious threat everytime he took off. His running was something every team had to account for.puppylove_sugarsteel said:How did Sark sacrifice Jake?
dnc said:
I love Jack, but he is exhibit A for Sark sacrificing a kid and the team for his own ego. Taking away Locker's ability to run was the antithesis of Rick coming in and running the option with Tui.Gladstone said:Yep, agreed with Irish. When I think Sark, I think about the complete failure to adequately recruit and develop OL. Brostek encapsulates that failure.
Also Locker doesn't deserve to be on that list. Overrated though he is.
Sark turned Jake into a rich NFL player with a bright future. What sacrifice do you speak of dipshit?dnc said:
I love Jack, but he is exhibit A for Sark sacrificing a kid and the team for his own ego. Taking away Locker's ability to run was the antithesis of Rick coming in and running the option with Tui.Gladstone said:Yep, agreed with Irish. When I think Sark, I think about the complete failure to adequately recruit and develop OL. Brostek encapsulates that failure.
Also Locker doesn't deserve to be on that list. Overrated though he is.
Sark comes in and decides he's going to make Jake a pocket passer to show the world what a great QB guru he is, taking away 90% of his greatest asset.
And here's the thing - Jake's greatest asset as a passer is the ability to throw on the move. I don't believe for a second he doesn't go as high or higher if Sark didn't let him do what he did best, ESPECIALLY since Sark never bothered to develop an OL that would allow him to throw well from the pocket. And UW wins at least 3 or 4 more games total with Jake being allowed to run his junior and senior years.
But Sark put a leash on him so people like you would believe that Sark turned him into a rich NFL player. Success!
Plus all those bubble screens really boost the completion %. -
Josh Shirley - Looked amazing as a frosh. Not even sure he's still on the team by his junior year.
Hmmm, I don't remember that but you're probably right. That would make sense. Does that say more about the coaches or their lack of faith in Jake's ability to make the read?allpurpleallgold said:
Lockner can eat a dick but in his defense they never really ran the read option with him. They ran plays that looked like the read option but he wasn't supposed to keep it. It looked like omg he should have just kept it all the time because they didn't let him keep it. They were designed handoffs.WildcatHB said:
From what I remember Locker wasn't the best decision maker when we actually did run the read option.dnc said:
Agreed completely. Having a tight end would have made a big difference. And can you imagine Jake running the read option with Polk or Sankey?IrishDawg22 said:
Jake would have been lights out in this new system and having an actual TE to throw to not named Barnett or Izbicki.dnc said:
Since I think you're actually serious, here goes. Jake had one incredible talent - he was a great runner. Big, fast, strong, elusive, Jake was a serious threat everytime he took off. His running was something every team had to account for.puppylove_sugarsteel said:How did Sark sacrifice Jake?
dnc said:
I love Jack, but he is exhibit A for Sark sacrificing a kid and the team for his own ego. Taking away Locker's ability to run was the antithesis of Rick coming in and running the option with Tui.Gladstone said:Yep, agreed with Irish. When I think Sark, I think about the complete failure to adequately recruit and develop OL. Brostek encapsulates that failure.
Also Locker doesn't deserve to be on that list. Overrated though he is.
Sark turned Jake into a rich NFL player with a bright future. What sacrifice do you speak of dipshit?dnc said:
I love Jack, but he is exhibit A for Sark sacrificing a kid and the team for his own ego. Taking away Locker's ability to run was the antithesis of Rick coming in and running the option with Tui.Gladstone said:Yep, agreed with Irish. When I think Sark, I think about the complete failure to adequately recruit and develop OL. Brostek encapsulates that failure.
Also Locker doesn't deserve to be on that list. Overrated though he is.
Sark comes in and decides he's going to make Jake a pocket passer to show the world what a great QB guru he is, taking away 90% of his greatest asset.
And here's the thing - Jake's greatest asset as a passer is the ability to throw on the move. I don't believe for a second he doesn't go as high or higher if Sark didn't let him do what he did best, ESPECIALLY since Sark never bothered to develop an OL that would allow him to throw well from the pocket. And UW wins at least 3 or 4 more games total with Jake being allowed to run his junior and senior years.
But Sark put a leash on him so people like you would believe that Sark turned him into a rich NFL player. Success!
Plus all those bubble screens really boost the completion %.
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James Atoe - First round LT
Running as an occasional gimic is a lot different then having it installed as the core of all of your running plays.WildcatHB said:
From what I remember Locker wasn't the best decision maker when we actually did run the read option.dnc said:
Agreed completely. Having a tight end would have made a big difference. And can you imagine Jake running the read option with Polk or Sankey?IrishDawg22 said:
Jake would have been lights out in this new system and having an actual TE to throw to not named Barnett or Izbicki.dnc said:
Since I think you're actually serious, here goes. Jake had one incredible talent - he was a great runner. Big, fast, strong, elusive, Jake was a serious threat everytime he took off. His running was something every team had to account for.puppylove_sugarsteel said:How did Sark sacrifice Jake?
dnc said:
I love Jack, but he is exhibit A for Sark sacrificing a kid and the team for his own ego. Taking away Locker's ability to run was the antithesis of Rick coming in and running the option with Tui.Gladstone said:Yep, agreed with Irish. When I think Sark, I think about the complete failure to adequately recruit and develop OL. Brostek encapsulates that failure.
Also Locker doesn't deserve to be on that list. Overrated though he is.
Sark turned Jake into a rich NFL player with a bright future. What sacrifice do you speak of dipshit?dnc said:
I love Jack, but he is exhibit A for Sark sacrificing a kid and the team for his own ego. Taking away Locker's ability to run was the antithesis of Rick coming in and running the option with Tui.Gladstone said:Yep, agreed with Irish. When I think Sark, I think about the complete failure to adequately recruit and develop OL. Brostek encapsulates that failure.
Also Locker doesn't deserve to be on that list. Overrated though he is.
Sark comes in and decides he's going to make Jake a pocket passer to show the world what a great QB guru he is, taking away 90% of his greatest asset.
And here's the thing - Jake's greatest asset as a passer is the ability to throw on the move. I don't believe for a second he doesn't go as high or higher if Sark didn't let him do what he did best, ESPECIALLY since Sark never bothered to develop an OL that would allow him to throw well from the pocket. And UW wins at least 3 or 4 more games total with Jake being allowed to run his junior and senior years.
But Sark put a leash on him so people like you would believe that Sark turned him into a rich NFL player. Success!
Plus all those bubble screens really boost the completion %. -
Josh Shirley - Looked amazing as a frosh. Not even sure he's still on the team by his junior year.Yeah true it would have worked out better than over throwing receivers 10 yards out. He was fucking fast. Maybe if he had actual coaching he would have gotten good at it.
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Cort Dennison….pencil arms firming up but man boobs and guts are still there….
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Jake Locker - Overrated, not that bright, terribly inconsistent. Just a couple manboobs and trips to Joey's from being Sark.
Well you're right that under Ty they used it effectively. I always thought it had more to do with Sarks obsession with turning Lockner into a "pro" quarterback.dnc said:
Hmmm, I don't remember that but you're probably right. That would make sense. Does that say more about the coaches or their lack of faith in Jake's ability to make the read?allpurpleallgold said:
Lockner can eat a dick but in his defense they never really ran the read option with him. They ran plays that looked like the read option but he wasn't supposed to keep it. It looked like omg he should have just kept it all the time because they didn't let him keep it. They were designed handoffs.WildcatHB said:
From what I remember Locker wasn't the best decision maker when we actually did run the read option.dnc said:
Agreed completely. Having a tight end would have made a big difference. And can you imagine Jake running the read option with Polk or Sankey?IrishDawg22 said:
Jake would have been lights out in this new system and having an actual TE to throw to not named Barnett or Izbicki.dnc said:
Since I think you're actually serious, here goes. Jake had one incredible talent - he was a great runner. Big, fast, strong, elusive, Jake was a serious threat everytime he took off. His running was something every team had to account for.puppylove_sugarsteel said:How did Sark sacrifice Jake?
dnc said:
I love Jack, but he is exhibit A for Sark sacrificing a kid and the team for his own ego. Taking away Locker's ability to run was the antithesis of Rick coming in and running the option with Tui.Gladstone said:Yep, agreed with Irish. When I think Sark, I think about the complete failure to adequately recruit and develop OL. Brostek encapsulates that failure.
Also Locker doesn't deserve to be on that list. Overrated though he is.
Sark turned Jake into a rich NFL player with a bright future. What sacrifice do you speak of dipshit?dnc said:
I love Jack, but he is exhibit A for Sark sacrificing a kid and the team for his own ego. Taking away Locker's ability to run was the antithesis of Rick coming in and running the option with Tui.Gladstone said:Yep, agreed with Irish. When I think Sark, I think about the complete failure to adequately recruit and develop OL. Brostek encapsulates that failure.
Also Locker doesn't deserve to be on that list. Overrated though he is.
Sark comes in and decides he's going to make Jake a pocket passer to show the world what a great QB guru he is, taking away 90% of his greatest asset.
And here's the thing - Jake's greatest asset as a passer is the ability to throw on the move. I don't believe for a second he doesn't go as high or higher if Sark didn't let him do what he did best, ESPECIALLY since Sark never bothered to develop an OL that would allow him to throw well from the pocket. And UW wins at least 3 or 4 more games total with Jake being allowed to run his junior and senior years.
But Sark put a leash on him so people like you would believe that Sark turned him into a rich NFL player. Success!
Plus all those bubble screens really boost the completion %.
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Josh Shirley - Looked amazing as a frosh. Not even sure he's still on the team by his junior year.
Bingoallpurpleallgold said:
Well you're right that under Ty they used it effectively. I always thought it had more to do with Sarks obsession with turning Lockner into a "pro" quarterback.dnc said:
Hmmm, I don't remember that but you're probably right. That would make sense. Does that say more about the coaches or their lack of faith in Jake's ability to make the read?allpurpleallgold said:
Lockner can eat a dick but in his defense they never really ran the read option with him. They ran plays that looked like the read option but he wasn't supposed to keep it. It looked like omg he should have just kept it all the time because they didn't let him keep it. They were designed handoffs.WildcatHB said:
From what I remember Locker wasn't the best decision maker when we actually did run the read option.dnc said:
Agreed completely. Having a tight end would have made a big difference. And can you imagine Jake running the read option with Polk or Sankey?IrishDawg22 said:
Jake would have been lights out in this new system and having an actual TE to throw to not named Barnett or Izbicki.dnc said:
Since I think you're actually serious, here goes. Jake had one incredible talent - he was a great runner. Big, fast, strong, elusive, Jake was a serious threat everytime he took off. His running was something every team had to account for.puppylove_sugarsteel said:How did Sark sacrifice Jake?
dnc said:
I love Jack, but he is exhibit A for Sark sacrificing a kid and the team for his own ego. Taking away Locker's ability to run was the antithesis of Rick coming in and running the option with Tui.Gladstone said:Yep, agreed with Irish. When I think Sark, I think about the complete failure to adequately recruit and develop OL. Brostek encapsulates that failure.
Also Locker doesn't deserve to be on that list. Overrated though he is.
Sark turned Jake into a rich NFL player with a bright future. What sacrifice do you speak of dipshit?dnc said:
I love Jack, but he is exhibit A for Sark sacrificing a kid and the team for his own ego. Taking away Locker's ability to run was the antithesis of Rick coming in and running the option with Tui.Gladstone said:Yep, agreed with Irish. When I think Sark, I think about the complete failure to adequately recruit and develop OL. Brostek encapsulates that failure.
Also Locker doesn't deserve to be on that list. Overrated though he is.
Sark comes in and decides he's going to make Jake a pocket passer to show the world what a great QB guru he is, taking away 90% of his greatest asset.
And here's the thing - Jake's greatest asset as a passer is the ability to throw on the move. I don't believe for a second he doesn't go as high or higher if Sark didn't let him do what he did best, ESPECIALLY since Sark never bothered to develop an OL that would allow him to throw well from the pocket. And UW wins at least 3 or 4 more games total with Jake being allowed to run his junior and senior years.
But Sark put a leash on him so people like you would believe that Sark turned him into a rich NFL player. Success!
Plus all those bubble screens really boost the completion %.
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Josh Shirley - Looked amazing as a frosh. Not even sure he's still on the team by his junior year.From the list, Josh Shirley best symbolizes the Sark era. Flash in the pan.
Without being a revisionist or a doog, Sark accomplished more than I expected his first season. Afterward not at all. Why? For all the reasons given in these comments.
Can it really be called an "era?" Besides being here too long, what else distinctive did he do? Perhaps he was uncommonly inept.
