Are These Staff Grades Fair?
Lake(as a DC)-D,A
Hamdan-C-,B
Lubick-C,B-
Boner-C-,D
Paopoa-B,C
Kwit-A,F
Gregory-B-,F
Malloe-B,A-
Harris-Is he even alive?
Huff-B,A-
I get that it starts at the top and Pete's a loyal guy, but I see 3 black hole recruiters and a couple of coordinators who are struggling. Personally I'd shitcan Gregory and Boner for starters.
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Gregory is coaching inside linebackers and special teams. Both those groups get an F after this game.
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Petersen - F
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Gregory is NEVER getting fired.
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NorwegianHusky said:
Gregory is coaching inside linebackers and special teams. Both those groups get an F after this game.
Then that's on Pete and we are not serious about winning.PurpleThrobber said:Gregory is NEVER getting fired.
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Agree. If you look at this objectively, the weakest parts of this team both have Gregory at the helm. So why is he untouchable?
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This is a great poast.whuggy said:Based on coaching and recruiting ability.
Lake(as a DC)-D,A
Hamdan-C-,B
Lubick-C,B-
Boner-C-,D
Paopoa-B,C
Kwit-A,F
Gregory-B-,F
Malloe-B,A-
Harris-Is he even alive?
Huff-B,A-
I get that it starts at the top and Pete's a loyal guy, but I see 3 black hole recruiters and a couple of coordinators who are struggling. Personally I'd shitcan Gregory and Boner for starters. -
I'd shitcan the guy in charge. Dumb post.
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On defense, it’s hard to judge Jimmy right now because right now we have nothing in the front 7. All our talent and depth is in the ‘17 and ‘18 classes.
It’s hard to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
When Coker and I were going insane about Malloe’s recruiting, Kwat’s recruiting, Pease’s recruiting and recruiting in general, it was BECAUSE OF THIS YEAR (and next).
Our DL has no one. No one.
WE ROTATE SIX GUYS. Our D is predicated on having fresh DL to two gap and collapse pockets.
Gaines is a two gapper but he’s small for that role, Levi isn’t a two gap player. Beggars can’t be choosers and we took Levi even though he wasn’t a perfect fit for our system because he’s good.
To properly execute our scheme we need probably 3-4 high level two gap players and some guys like Levi that can get upfield.
We rotate 6 guys on the DL. SIX. AT LEAST.
In that rotation currently are walk ons John Clark and Josiah Bronson. Shane Bowman was expected to be a major contributor. Walk on Jared Pulu was as well.
We are missing Jaylen (we are playing him at SAM because we are stuck playing 1 gap and small 2 gap players to get some size on the field) up front.
In a few years, when we have players like Bandes, Tuitele, Pa’ama, Tuli and Taki two-gapping, guys like Sirmon behind them, we will be in good shape. Although if we don’t get Heimuli, we are fucked because Tafisi is undersized.
Gregory has been awful at recruiting and his special teams are terrible. He needs to go.
He is so bad I’m literally talking about HS players as saviors. We all know that’s bullshit and we all know he fucking sucks. ILB is the easiest position to find so fuck Gregory. I like him personally and he seems like a good guy, but I know lots of good guys. This isn’t about being a good guy. It’s about being effective at a job. He’s not. The end.
So while I’m happy to shit on all our coaches - I don’t think Jimmy has done anything wrong. Our DBs played (for the most part) great yesterday. With rare pressure.
You can’t scheme to make John Clark an All Pac level player. You can’t.
Him and Josiah should be 7-8 in our rotation and spelling our main guys in scrimmages so they stay fresh and don’t get injured. And in that role - those guys are aces. But right now they are our 3-4 guys and they play half the game. Greg and Levi get worn out because of the tremendous responsibility they have in our D (hence why we want to rotate 6).
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He needs more time? These aren't his guys?Dennis_DeYoung said:On defense, it’s hard to judge Jimmy right now because
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We couldn't even kick the ball to UCLA and Oregon return men because they would get to the 50 rather easily
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Gregory has to go.PostGameOrangeSlices said:We couldn't even kick the ball to UCLA and Oregon return men because they would get to the 50 rather easily
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So essentially we have taken our best coach and neutered him for the sake of keeping Jimmy. It's like having two quarterbacks. If you have two you have none which is really where we are with the DC position. I agree with Dennis that Lake is dealing with a shit sandwich so then what does coach K have to offer? If we are going there then you could justify adding Coach K to the shitcan list with Gregory and Bonerpop. I hate that suggestion because the guy would get snapped up but we gotta shit or get off the pot with the Lake/K situation. Make a decision because we already have enough deadwood as it is.
Personally I'd can Gregory and throw money at Dennison. Boner you could probably find anyone better. On Lake/K you make the hard choice of losing a great recruiter or great coach. That's what Pete is getting 5 million bucks a year for. Saban would do it. -
It can't be stated enough … your recruiting successes and failures today drive what your future looks like 2-3 years from now.
The part that is really hard with Gregory right now is that the special teams are absolute dogshit ad I'm not talking about kickers or punters but I'm talking about our coverage units and the inability to create anything significant in the return game. -
You have major major problems when your safest play is to kick/punt the ball out of bounds and live with them starting at the 35 on the kickoff or wherever on the punt.Tequilla said:It can't be stated enough … your recruiting successes and failures today drive what your future looks like 2-3 years from now.
The part that is really hard with Gregory right now is that the special teams are absolute dogshit ad I'm not talking about kickers or punters but I'm talking about our coverage units and the inability to create anything significant in the return game.
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I have a hard time believing that Whitford isn't dealing with some kind of leg issue … he's much, much better than what he has shown so far this year.
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I haven't really followed how Oregon's LBs have played but Cort Denison might be a decent replacement if Pete drops GregoryDennis_DeYoung said:
Gregory has to go.PostGameOrangeSlices said:We couldn't even kick the ball to UCLA and Oregon return men because they would get to the 50 rather easily
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I've defended Gregory. I don't think he's a bad coach, but the special teams have been terrible this year.
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Lake is a B even as a DC. A as a secondary coach.whuggy said:Based on coaching and recruiting ability.
Lake(as a DC)-D,A
Hamdan-C-,B
Lubick-C,B-
Boner-C-,D
Paopoa-B,C
Kwit-A,F
Gregory-B-,F
Malloe-B,A-
Harris-Is he even alive?
Huff-B,A-
I get that it starts at the top and Pete's a loyal guy, but I see 3 black hole recruiters and a couple of coordinators who are struggling. Personally I'd shitcan Gregory and Boner for starters.
Boner isn't a D as a recruiter. Have no idea how he's a C- as a coach. Our RB's have been good under him. Coleman improved a ton. Same for Paopoa. -
I am way more confident in our RBs after watching Pleasant and McGrew step in without missing a beat.RoadDawg55 said:
Lake is a B even as a DC. A as a secondary coach.whuggy said:Based on coaching and recruiting ability.
Lake(as a DC)-D,A
Hamdan-C-,B
Lubick-C,B-
Boner-C-,D
Paopoa-B,C
Kwit-A,F
Gregory-B-,F
Malloe-B,A-
Harris-Is he even alive?
Huff-B,A-
I get that it starts at the top and Pete's a loyal guy, but I see 3 black hole recruiters and a couple of coordinators who are struggling. Personally I'd shitcan Gregory and Boner for starters.
Boner isn't a D as a recruiter. Have no idea how he's a C- as a coach. Our RB's have been good under him. Coleman improved a ton. Same for Paopoa. -
that is a mark of bad coachRoadDawg55 said:I've defended Gregory. I don't think he's a bad coach, but the special teams have been terrible this year.
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I would grade like this (coordinator, coach, recruiter):
Bush: So far B, A, A
Boner: A, C
Lubick: B, C (losing Ngata is awful)
Paopao: A-, D (never signed a guy who wasn’t a chip in)
Huff: (my guess is) B, A
Malloe: A, A
Kwat: A+, B, F
Gregory: C, D
Lake: A, A, A
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Kwat’s recruiting grade too high.Dennis_DeYoung said:I would grade like this (coordinator, coach, recruiter):
Bush: So far B, A, A
Boner: A, C
Lubick: B, C (losing Ngata is awful)
Paopao: A-, D (never signed a guy who wasn’t a chip in)
Huff: (my guess is) B, A
Malloe: A, A
Kwat: A+, B, F
Gregory: C, D
Lake: A, A, A
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I get what you're saying with Poapoa and recruiting, but Dissly is in the NFL. Sample will be. Bryant and Otton are young, but barring injury will be too. Those two are probably, or at least have the potential to be the best of the bunch.Dennis_DeYoung said:I would grade like this (coordinator, coach, recruiter):
Bush: So far B, A, A
Boner: A, C
Lubick: B, C (losing Ngata is awful)
Paopao: A-, D (never signed a guy who wasn’t a chip in)
Huff: (my guess is) B, A
Malloe: A, A
Kwat: A+, B, F
Gregory: C, D
Lake: A, A, A
Harris: ?, ?
TE recruiting and development have been the least of our problems. Who give a fuck where the players come from as long as they are good and produce? That's the TBS and thrill of the chase obsession. -
I don't have a problem with canning his ass because we do need another recruiter or two on staff.WeakarmCobra said:
that is a mark of bad coachRoadDawg55 said:I've defended Gregory. I don't think he's a bad coach, but the special teams have been terrible this year.
Before this year though, the special teams have been good. Azeem and Bierria developed pretty well. When Azeem got hurt in 2016, there was very little drop off with Beavers and BBK taking his place. He's been mostly good at UW. -
Just Promote Lake or hire Tui as the head coach and start getting the peapatch developing.
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This is why you don’t get recruiting. He fucking sucks at it. The end.RoadDawg55 said:
I get what you're saying with Poapoa and recruiting, but Dissly is in the NFL. Sample will be. Bryant and Otton are young, but barring injury will be too. Those two are probably, or at least have the potential to be the best of the bunch.Dennis_DeYoung said:I would grade like this (coordinator, coach, recruiter):
Bush: So far B, A, A
Boner: A, C
Lubick: B, C (losing Ngata is awful)
Paopao: A-, D (never signed a guy who wasn’t a chip in)
Huff: (my guess is) B, A
Malloe: A, A
Kwat: A+, B, F
Gregory: C, D
Lake: A, A, A
Harris: ?, ?
TE recruiting and development have been the least of our problems. Who give a fuck where the players come from as long as they are good and produce? That's the TBS and thrill of the chase obsession. -
Sign good players and coach them up. The end.Dennis_DeYoung said:
This is why you don’t get recruiting. He fucking sucks at it. The end.RoadDawg55 said:
I get what you're saying with Poapoa and recruiting, but Dissly is in the NFL. Sample will be. Bryant and Otton are young, but barring injury will be too. Those two are probably, or at least have the potential to be the best of the bunch.Dennis_DeYoung said:I would grade like this (coordinator, coach, recruiter):
Bush: So far B, A, A
Boner: A, C
Lubick: B, C (losing Ngata is awful)
Paopao: A-, D (never signed a guy who wasn’t a chip in)
Huff: (my guess is) B, A
Malloe: A, A
Kwat: A+, B, F
Gregory: C, D
Lake: A, A, A
Harris: ?, ?
TE recruiting and development have been the least of our problems. Who give a fuck where the players come from as long as they are good and produce? That's the TBS and thrill of the chase obsession. -
This is why we always disagree with you. He already gave him a great grade for coaching. He could recruit better than he has, it is not debatable. I will never understand why you don’t get this.RoadDawg55 said:
Sign good players and coach them up. The end.Dennis_DeYoung said:
This is why you don’t get recruiting. He fucking sucks at it. The end.RoadDawg55 said:
I get what you're saying with Poapoa and recruiting, but Dissly is in the NFL. Sample will be. Bryant and Otton are young, but barring injury will be too. Those two are probably, or at least have the potential to be the best of the bunch.Dennis_DeYoung said:I would grade like this (coordinator, coach, recruiter):
Bush: So far B, A, A
Boner: A, C
Lubick: B, C (losing Ngata is awful)
Paopao: A-, D (never signed a guy who wasn’t a chip in)
Huff: (my guess is) B, A
Malloe: A, A
Kwat: A+, B, F
Gregory: C, D
Lake: A, A, A
Harris: ?, ?
TE recruiting and development have been the least of our problems. Who give a fuck where the players come from as long as they are good and produce? That's the TBS and thrill of the chase obsession. -
Recruiting is signing your top targets.
Pao will be 0-3/4 this year.
Jude Wolfe, Ethan Rae, Archer and (maybe) Foskey.
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Regarding the great TE debate … Paopao has done fine as a coach as the TE position has been a consistent source of strength. As a recruiter, I definitely don't think he's extended himself and gotten anything too interesting. Also, someone like Dissly wasn't a TE recruit so he can't get credit for that. The challenge I'd have is who has he recruited that he has missed on? Just seems like we target a specific type of player for the most part and we get them. Regardless of help, he was able to keep Bryant and Culp in-state. Can he do the same for DJ Rodgers?
As for special teams, this is a situation where you look at some of the short falls in our recruiting has hurt us this year. Special teams is typically made up of a lot of RBs, WRs, LBs, and DBs. At RB, the only guy that is going to play the balance of special teams (non-returner role) is Pleasant. Our WRs aren't really noticeable on special teams. LB depth is a known problem. DBs are what they are. It's one thing to have a great returner, but you make big returns through the blocking, etc. taking place. Without diving into detail I'm thinking a lot of our coverage/return problems stem from the fact that we've just got a lot of JAGs out there for those plays.
