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Consumer confidence at an 18 year high

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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,711 Standard Supporter
    Obunghole built that!
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    I'm hearing consumer confidence is at an all time high!!!! Great things have happened!!!
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    salemcoog said:

    2001400ex said:

    I'm hearing consumer confidence is at an all time high!!!! Great things have happened!!!

    Socialists hate success.
    Where did you get that? Is consumer confidence at an all time high?
  • NEPTUNE
    NEPTUNE Member Posts: 151
    Not Harley Davidson consumers.

  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    NEPTUNE said:

    Not Harley Davidson consumers.

    That was an epic Superman handlebar grab until she went over the front.
  • MisterEm
    MisterEm Member Posts: 6,685

    salemcoog said:

    2001400ex said:

    I'm hearing consumer confidence is at an all time high!!!! Great things have happened!!!

    Socialists hate success.
    It’s more like they hate being wrong. Most “intellectuals” can’t handle being wrong. It’s a threat to their ego.
    Not enough chins. Tell a post-doc or professor their maff is wrong, then pop-off.
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    Stifle Edith.

    The Tug Elite can't give credit to a black, Mooselimb, community organizer. It doesn't jibe with their senses.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,777 Founders Club
    So what's your problem with Trump then?

    Other than he actually gets the results you have to pretend Obama got.
  • Mosster47
    Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    WTF is consumer confidence? Is that when pour people have been tricked into thinking they aren't pour?

    If you're not pour you are always a confident consumer.
  • UWhuskytskeet
    UWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113

    So what's your problem with Trump then?

    Other than he actually gets the results you have to pretend Obama got.
    Tariffs (way before hating them was cool), shitty diplomacy, nepotism, fueling distrust of media.

    I grew up in a conservative household so I don't have issues with conservatives in general, but Trump is like a shitty caricature of a Republican.
  • Baphomet
    Baphomet Member Posts: 1,511

    salemcoog said:

    2001400ex said:

    I'm hearing consumer confidence is at an all time high!!!! Great things have happened!!!

    Socialists hate success.
    Most “intellectuals” can’t handle being wrong. It’s a threat to their ego.
    What's Trump's excuse?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,777 Founders Club

    So what's your problem with Trump then?

    Other than he actually gets the results you have to pretend Obama got.
    Tariffs (way before hating them was cool), shitty diplomacy, nepotism, fueling distrust of media.

    I grew up in a conservative household so I don't have issues with conservatives in general, but Trump is like a shitty caricature of a Republican.
    Trump is a Democrat

    Nice list of non issues. Maybe stop watching so much CNN

    That's how we do it right?
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    Pretty simple to make the argument that in his second, lame-duck term, where Obama actually did almost nothing of consequence except construct his legacy, the economy actually recovered and grew well on it's own.

    The Lesson: When the politicians and bureaucrats get the fuck out of the way, the much-wiser private sector business community thrives and grows on it's own.
  • UWhuskytskeet
    UWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113
    edited August 2018

    So what's your problem with Trump then?

    Other than he actually gets the results you have to pretend Obama got.
    Tariffs (way before hating them was cool), shitty diplomacy, nepotism, fueling distrust of media.

    I grew up in a conservative household so I don't have issues with conservatives in general, but Trump is like a shitty caricature of a Republican.
    Trump is a Democrat

    Nice list of non issues. Maybe stop watching so much CNN

    That's how we do it right?
    I get my news from HH
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Pretty simple to make the argument that in his second, lame-duck term, where Obama actually did almost nothing of consequence except construct his legacy, the economy actually recovered and grew well on it's own.

    The Lesson: When the politicians and bureaucrats get the fuck out of the way, the much-wiser private sector business community thrives and grows on it's own.
    The “much wiser” private sector tanked the economy in the first place, leaving Obama to clean up the recession when he took the job. While I generally agree with your sentiment, it’s bullshit to blame him for inheriting a shit sandwich that was none of his doing, and then blaming him some more because he didn’t magically fix it overnight. I don’t agree with some of the moves he made (or didn’t make) but he led us out of it. Meanwhile Trump inherits a thriving economy and he takes all the credit. Has he made moves of his own? Of course. And hopefully they work. But he’s the definition of born on third and thinking he hit a triple.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    Pretty simple to make the argument that in his second, lame-duck term, where Obama actually did almost nothing of consequence except construct his legacy, the economy actually recovered and grew well on it's own.

    The Lesson: When the politicians and bureaucrats get the fuck out of the way, the much-wiser private sector business community thrives and grows on it's own.
    The “much wiser” private sector tanked the economy in the first place, leaving Obama to clean up the recession when he took the job. While I generally agree with your sentiment, it’s bullshit to blame him for inheriting a shit sandwich that was none of his doing, and then blaming him some more because he didn’t magically fix it overnight. I don’t agree with some of the moves he made (or didn’t make) but he led us out of it. Meanwhile Trump inherits a thriving economy and he takes all the credit. Has he made moves of his own? Of course. And hopefully they work. But he’s the definition of born on third and thinking he hit a triple.
    I voted for Obama twice, and his two main hugely disappointing reversals were abandoning the public option portion of Obamacare, which was the central component to his healthcare reform package during his campaign, and making the Bush Tax Cuts he campaigned against, permanent. So, don't even pretend he had anything to do with cleaning up the recession. He sucked off the banks the same as Bush did, and Clinton before them.

    And we wouldn't have had that housing crisis if Clinton hadn't repealed Glass-Steagall and loosened the credit restrictions on mortgaged debt before he left office. And the only reason Clinton did so, after fighting against the banks for his entire presidency, was because Hillary couldn't win Bobby Kennedy's old senate seat in NY without Wall Street's backing.

    I would expect that pro-bank behavior from the Gingrich-led monkeys in congress, and W, but not from Clinton or Obama.

    Republicans get rich and go to Washington to protect their wealth and stay rich. Democrats go to Washington to become rich by selling out at every opportunity. Tell me which is worse?
    Both parties are paid to represent their donors.

    The republicans accomplish that by selling out to their donors at every opportunity and being completely ruthless while doing so.

    The democrats on the other hand accomplish that by being a bunch of mealy mouthed losers who stand for nothing, while pretending to be progressive under the guise of identity.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    dhdawg said:

    Pretty simple to make the argument that in his second, lame-duck term, where Obama actually did almost nothing of consequence except construct his legacy, the economy actually recovered and grew well on it's own.

    The Lesson: When the politicians and bureaucrats get the fuck out of the way, the much-wiser private sector business community thrives and grows on it's own.
    The “much wiser” private sector tanked the economy in the first place, leaving Obama to clean up the recession when he took the job. While I generally agree with your sentiment, it’s bullshit to blame him for inheriting a shit sandwich that was none of his doing, and then blaming him some more because he didn’t magically fix it overnight. I don’t agree with some of the moves he made (or didn’t make) but he led us out of it. Meanwhile Trump inherits a thriving economy and he takes all the credit. Has he made moves of his own? Of course. And hopefully they work. But he’s the definition of born on third and thinking he hit a triple.
    I voted for Obama twice, and his two main hugely disappointing reversals were abandoning the public option portion of Obamacare, which was the central component to his healthcare reform package during his campaign, and making the Bush Tax Cuts he campaigned against, permanent. So, don't even pretend he had anything to do with cleaning up the recession. He sucked off the banks the same as Bush did, and Clinton before them.

    And we wouldn't have had that housing crisis if Clinton hadn't repealed Glass-Steagall and loosened the credit restrictions on mortgaged debt before he left office. And the only reason Clinton did so, after fighting against the banks for his entire presidency, was because Hillary couldn't win Bobby Kennedy's old senate seat in NY without Wall Street's backing.

    I would expect that pro-bank behavior from the Gingrich-led monkeys in congress, and W, but not from Clinton or Obama.

    Republicans get rich and go to Washington to protect their wealth and stay rich. Democrats go to Washington to become rich by selling out at every opportunity. Tell me which is worse?
    Both parties are paid to represent their donors.

    The republicans accomplish that by selling out to their donors at every opportunity and being completely ruthless while doing so.

    The democrats on the other hand accomplish that by being a bunch of mealy mouthed losers who stand for nothing, while pretending to be progressive under the guise of identity.
    But, but, butt: Republicans may be sinister, evil and money-grubbing, but they understand money and don't hide their love of it. Dems think it grows on trees, and if not, they're perfectly comfortable taking it from you and giving it to someone else. Again, which is worse?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,711 Standard Supporter
    So after he drove it to the lowest point it went up?
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Pretty simple to make the argument that in his second, lame-duck term, where Obama actually did almost nothing of consequence except construct his legacy, the economy actually recovered and grew well on it's own.

    The Lesson: When the politicians and bureaucrats get the fuck out of the way, the much-wiser private sector business community thrives and grows on it's own.
    The “much wiser” private sector tanked the economy in the first place, leaving Obama to clean up the recession when he took the job. While I generally agree with your sentiment, it’s bullshit to blame him for inheriting a shit sandwich that was none of his doing, and then blaming him some more because he didn’t magically fix it overnight. I don’t agree with some of the moves he made (or didn’t make) but he led us out of it. Meanwhile Trump inherits a thriving economy and he takes all the credit. Has he made moves of his own? Of course. And hopefully they work. But he’s the definition of born on third and thinking he hit a triple.
    I voted for Obama twice, and his two main hugely disappointing reversals were abandoning the public option portion of Obamacare, which was the central component to his healthcare reform package during his campaign, and making the Bush Tax Cuts he campaigned against, permanent. So, don't even pretend he had anything to do with cleaning up the recession. He sucked off the banks the same as Bush did, and Clinton before them.

    And we wouldn't have had that housing crisis if Clinton hadn't repealed Glass-Steagall and loosened the credit restrictions on mortgaged debt before he left office. And the only reason Clinton did so, after fighting against the banks for his entire presidency, was because Hillary couldn't win Bobby Kennedy's old senate seat in NY without Wall Street's backing.

    I would expect that pro-bank behavior from the Gingrich-led monkeys in congress, and W, but not from Clinton or Obama.

    Republicans get rich and go to Washington to protect their wealth and stay rich. Democrats go to Washington to become rich by selling out at every opportunity. Tell me which is worse?
    Repeal of glass steagal was a republican bill that many Democrats voted against. They Clinton signed. When he signed it, there was a veto proof majority and he said he didn't like the bill.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm–Leach–Bliley_Act
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Full Disclosure: I voted for Clinton twice, too.

    If you want the cite, google it. But this is from Time Magazine, not exactly a Conservative Rag:

    President Clinton's tenure was characterized by economic prosperity and financial deregulation, which in many ways set the stage for the excesses of recent years. Among his biggest strokes of free-wheeling capitalism was the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, a cornerstone of Depression-era regulation. He also signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. In 1995 Clinton loosened housing rules by rewriting the Community Reinvestment Act, which put added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods. It is the subject of heated political and scholarly debate whether any of these moves are to blame for our troubles, but they certainly played a role in creating a permissive lending environment.

    While Clinton did sign a couple bills and had his hand in it. What do you think this was about?

    https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031216-9.html
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    So after he drove it to the lowest point it went up?
    I like people like you and turd. Reagan created the economy of the 90s. Clinton is to blame for the great recession. And Trump gets the credit for a good economy now. Not even 2 years into his term.