The Stable Genius weighs in on the California wildfires
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HardlyClothed said:
The only person I trust to investigate and opine on Southern California water usage is pgos
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He has a nose for waterHardlyClothed said:The only person I trust to investigate and opine on Southern California water usage is Jake Gittes
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Agreed. You? Pay for the aquifer and the metered gate and We? Will gladly except those billion$. However I’m not sure this fits into @CirrhosisDawg s California at all.RaceBannon said:HRYK
And Oregon and Washington run off too
Rome did a couple centuries ago. Not that hard if you aren't wasting billions on a train from Fresno to Bakersfield -
^^^*-aqueduct
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Welp the Carr Fire ran right through Lake Shasta, so water supply isn’t the issue here. It’s mismanagement of forests more than anything. Eventually all of the neglected forests will burn.YellowSnow said:I'm confused. Are the fire fighters running out of water in S Cal when dealing with these fires?
Hell hath no furry like So Cal fire season which will always happen when you have heat, fuel and wind. Don't see what water coming from North to South has to do with it. Both of my childhood homes came with in a c hair of burning to the ground in the 2003 and 2007 Cedar and Witch Fires.
@RaceBannon is right about Washington/Oregon water going to CA at some point. It's inevitable. -
YellowSnow said:
@RaceBannon is right about Washington/Oregon water going to CA at some point. It's inevitable.
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You know better how to manage a forest than mother nature too. I see.salemcoog said:
Welp the Carr Fire ran right through Lake Shasta, so water supply isn’t the issue here. It’s mismanagement of forests more than anything. Eventually all of the neglected forests will burn.YellowSnow said:I'm confused. Are the fire fighters running out of water in S Cal when dealing with these fires?
Hell hath no furry like So Cal fire season which will always happen when you have heat, fuel and wind. Don't see what water coming from North to South has to do with it. Both of my childhood homes came with in a c hair of burning to the ground in the 2003 and 2007 Cedar and Witch Fires.
@RaceBannon is right about Washington/Oregon water going to CA at some point. It's inevitable. -
Mother nature’s forest management consists of periodic fires that keep the underbrush down and prevents the build up of a fuel load.
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salemcoog said:
^^^*-aguaduct
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No. No one does. And it didn’t really matter until people moved close to forests and then of course utilized them to build our country. After the Tillamook burn, the West realized that clear cutting alone wouldn’t prevent a big fire from forming. They realized you had to thin the forests and the ground clutter. But then in the 90s people that had no clue as to how to manage a forest locked the gates. Couple that with sustained above average heat and no humidity every Summer now, in the West, this is the new normal. Unless we spend the scratch to unlock the gates, eventually every neglected forest area will burn up in the West.2001400ex said:
You know better how to manage a forest than mother nature too. I see.salemcoog said:
Welp the Carr Fire ran right through Lake Shasta, so water supply isn’t the issue here. It’s mismanagement of forests more than anything. Eventually all of the neglected forests will burn.YellowSnow said:I'm confused. Are the fire fighters running out of water in S Cal when dealing with these fires?
Hell hath no furry like So Cal fire season which will always happen when you have heat, fuel and wind. Don't see what water coming from North to South has to do with it. Both of my childhood homes came with in a c hair of burning to the ground in the 2003 and 2007 Cedar and Witch Fires.
@RaceBannon is right about Washington/Oregon water going to CA at some point. It's inevitable. -
We all one country united under our flag helping each other.salemcoog said:
Agreed. You? Pay for the aquifer and the metered gate and We? Will gladly except those billion$. However I’m not sure this fits into @CirrhosisDawg s California at all.RaceBannon said:HRYK
And Oregon and Washington run off too
Rome did a couple centuries ago. Not that hard if you aren't wasting billions on a train from Fresno to Bakersfield -
Or we need to let them burn:salemcoog said:
No. No one does. And it didn’t really matter until people moved close to forests and then of course utilized them to build our country. After the Tillamook burn, the West realized that clear cutting alone wouldn’t prevent a big fire from forming. They realized you had to thin the forests and the ground clutter. But then in the 90s people that had no clue as to how to manage a forest locked the gates. Couple that with sustained above average heat and no humidity every Summer now, in the West, this is the new normal. Unless we spend the scratch to unlock the gates, eventually every neglected forest area will burn up in the West.2001400ex said:
You know better how to manage a forest than mother nature too. I see.salemcoog said:
Welp the Carr Fire ran right through Lake Shasta, so water supply isn’t the issue here. It’s mismanagement of forests more than anything. Eventually all of the neglected forests will burn.YellowSnow said:I'm confused. Are the fire fighters running out of water in S Cal when dealing with these fires?
Hell hath no furry like So Cal fire season which will always happen when you have heat, fuel and wind. Don't see what water coming from North to South has to do with it. Both of my childhood homes came with in a c hair of burning to the ground in the 2003 and 2007 Cedar and Witch Fires.
@RaceBannon is right about Washington/Oregon water going to CA at some point. It's inevitable.
"As a result of research conducted after the fires, a new fire management plan for Yellowstone was implemented in 1992. The plan observed stricter guidelines for managing natural fires, increased the staffing levels of fire monitors and related occupations, and allocated greater funding for fire management. By 2004, further amendments to the wildland fire management plan were added. According to the 2004 plan, natural wildfires are allowed to burn, so long as parameters regarding fire size, weather, and potential danger are not exceeded. Those fires that do exceed the standards, as well as all human-caused fires, are to be suppressed.[39] These changes are primarily updates of the 1972 fire management plan and continue to emphasize the role of fire in maintaining a natural ecosystem, but apply stricter guidelines and lower levels of tolerance.[40]"
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Ah Hondo’s Wiki to his rescue. As we’ve seen repeatedly throughout The West recently it doesn’t matter whether we? Want to let it burn or not. These fires do what they want to do and there’s nothing we can do about it. Guess why?2001400ex said:
Or we need to let them burn:salemcoog said:
No. No one does. And it didn’t really matter until people moved close to forests and then of course utilized them to build our country. After the Tillamook burn, the West realized that clear cutting alone wouldn’t prevent a big fire from forming. They realized you had to thin the forests and the ground clutter. But then in the 90s people that had no clue as to how to manage a forest locked the gates. Couple that with sustained above average heat and no humidity every Summer now, in the West, this is the new normal. Unless we spend the scratch to unlock the gates, eventually every neglected forest area will burn up in the West.2001400ex said:
You know better how to manage a forest than mother nature too. I see.salemcoog said:
Welp the Carr Fire ran right through Lake Shasta, so water supply isn’t the issue here. It’s mismanagement of forests more than anything. Eventually all of the neglected forests will burn.YellowSnow said:I'm confused. Are the fire fighters running out of water in S Cal when dealing with these fires?
Hell hath no furry like So Cal fire season which will always happen when you have heat, fuel and wind. Don't see what water coming from North to South has to do with it. Both of my childhood homes came with in a c hair of burning to the ground in the 2003 and 2007 Cedar and Witch Fires.
@RaceBannon is right about Washington/Oregon water going to CA at some point. It's inevitable.
"As a result of research conducted after the fires, a new fire management plan for Yellowstone was implemented in 1992. The plan observed stricter guidelines for managing natural fires, increased the staffing levels of fire monitors and related occupations, and allocated greater funding for fire management. By 2004, further amendments to the wildland fire management plan were added. According to the 2004 plan, natural wildfires are allowed to burn, so long as parameters regarding fire size, weather, and potential danger are not exceeded. Those fires that do exceed the standards, as well as all human-caused fires, are to be suppressed.[39] These changes are primarily updates of the 1972 fire management plan and continue to emphasize the role of fire in maintaining a natural ecosystem, but apply stricter guidelines and lower levels of tolerance.[40]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_fires_of_1988 -
How is my? Plan not helping California?RaceBannon said:
We all one country united under our flag helping each other.salemcoog said:
Agreed. You? Pay for the aquifer and the metered gate and We? Will gladly except those billion$. However I’m not sure this fits into @CirrhosisDawg s California at all.RaceBannon said:HRYK
And Oregon and Washington run off too
Rome did a couple centuries ago. Not that hard if you aren't wasting billions on a train from Fresno to Bakersfield -
Jerry Brown building a train to Bakersfield almost killed everyone in Yuba county as the dam crumbled from overflow after years of neglect.
We're in a drought until were not. -
It is economically feasible but the extremely liberal 1% of 1% refuses to put their $ where their assholes are. There is $60 Trillion dollars in the world-wide economy. Something like 40 people control 50% of that total wealth.Pitchfork51 said:
I mean economically feasible.UWhuskytskeet said:
California already has around 20 desalination plants. Problems is that it takes huge amounts of energy and then you are left with a shit load of salt.Pitchfork51 said:God. 70 percent of the fucking earth is water and we're worrying about not enough water.
In 100 years people are going to laugh at us.
We've accomplished a lot of stuff but man, using ocean water in a feasible process is one of the major missing ingredients.
Yeah. It's not economically feasible.
All I'm saying is that for a species that depends on fresh water to survive you'd think that would have been one of the first major inventions
It's economically feasible for these men... at least 6 of which are flaming liberals. Fuck, now I sound like a socialist. I completely agree with Race and Pitch here because there are solutions to these problems but that would mean giving up some control of the masses.
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They could build a pipeline from Oregon to Fresno and divert 1% of the Columbia's annual flow and the valley would never have water issue again.
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Pump my river water, Duck.Mosster47 said:They could build a pipeline from Oregon to Fresno and divert 1% of the Columbia's annual flow and the valley would never have water issue again.
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I'm hearing we shouldn't divert any water to the Pacific ocean.Mosster47 said:They could build a pipeline from Oregon to Fresno and divert 1% of the Columbia's annual flow and the valley would never have water issue again.
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Exactly. We’re gonna build an aqueduct and make California pay for it!!!Mosster47 said:They could build a pipeline from Oregon to Fresno and divert 1% of the Columbia's annual flow and the valley would never have water issue again.
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I also like how each one of these pigs constantly trash on Trump, but his tax cuts made them even richer.DuckHHunterisafag said:
It is economically feasible but the extremely liberal 1% of 1% refuses to put their $ where their assholes are. There is $60 Trillion dollars in the world-wide economy. Something like 40 people control 50% of that total wealth.Pitchfork51 said:
I mean economically feasible.UWhuskytskeet said:
California already has around 20 desalination plants. Problems is that it takes huge amounts of energy and then you are left with a shit load of salt.Pitchfork51 said:God. 70 percent of the fucking earth is water and we're worrying about not enough water.
In 100 years people are going to laugh at us.
We've accomplished a lot of stuff but man, using ocean water in a feasible process is one of the major missing ingredients.
Yeah. It's not economically feasible.
All I'm saying is that for a species that depends on fresh water to survive you'd think that would have been one of the first major inventions
It's economically feasible for these men... at least 6 of which are flaming liberals. Fuck, now I sound like a socialist. I completely agree with Race and Pitch here because there are solutions to these problems but that would mean giving up some control of the masses. -
They never wanted the Money!!!oregonblitzkrieg said:
I also like how each one of these pigs constantly trash on Trump, but his tax cuts made them even richer.DuckHHunterisafag said:
It is economically feasible but the extremely liberal 1% of 1% refuses to put their $ where their assholes are. There is $60 Trillion dollars in the world-wide economy. Something like 40 people control 50% of that total wealth.Pitchfork51 said:
I mean economically feasible.UWhuskytskeet said:
California already has around 20 desalination plants. Problems is that it takes huge amounts of energy and then you are left with a shit load of salt.Pitchfork51 said:God. 70 percent of the fucking earth is water and we're worrying about not enough water.
In 100 years people are going to laugh at us.
We've accomplished a lot of stuff but man, using ocean water in a feasible process is one of the major missing ingredients.
Yeah. It's not economically feasible.
All I'm saying is that for a species that depends on fresh water to survive you'd think that would have been one of the first major inventions
It's economically feasible for these men... at least 6 of which are flaming liberals. Fuck, now I sound like a socialist. I completely agree with Race and Pitch here because there are solutions to these problems but that would mean giving up some control of the masses.
They never axed for it!!!
