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It’s health insurance. Not fee for service. If you’re not covered you are a free rider and abusing the system. Get covered or pay the tax.greenblood said:
Like race said, everybody paid regardless of health. Also the wealthy that could afford their own care and didn’t want coverage had to pay a higher mandate than people that couldn’t afford the insurance but still used unpaid services.CirrhosisDawg said:
People should cover their own costs to the system?greenblood said:
Such a weird concept...asking people who milk our health insurance and disability system to pay more than those that make healthy choices. I’m such bastard and a Democrat.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Yes, that's the answer. More taxes. You sound like a fucking democrat.greenblood said:
Tobacco, alcohol, and pop create a net financial negative. People that consume this shit eat into health insurance costs and disability down the road. Taxing it helps offset some of these costs. When was the last time somebody went on disability because they bought a yacht or a Porsche?2001400ex said:
Now that I have a minute. I'm not a big sin tax guy. Be it tobacco, alcohol, or pop (ILTCIPIWILTD). They overwhelmingly tax the poor. I'm more of a gluttony tax guy. Tax the yatchs, Porsches and prostitutes.RaceBannon said:Coke raising prices bad
Seattle taxing the shit out of Coke good
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I see your anti-dairy agenda. And it sickens me.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Lets just punish everyone and tax everything if we're going to be taxing and punishing soda drinkers. Tax steaks. Tax ice cream. Tax candy. Tax whole milk. Tax butter.greenblood said:
Then your tax is hardly anything. But those who do binge drink pay much more. It isn’t perfect but something has to get done to make these people pay up.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Most people who drink soda are occasional users, not binge drinkers. This only helps make the government fatter.greenblood said:
Such a weird concept...asking people who milk our health insurance and disability system to pay more than those that make healthy choices. I’m such bastard and a Democrat.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Yes, that's the answer. More taxes. You sound like a fucking democrat.greenblood said:
Tobacco, alcohol, and pop create a net financial negative. People that consume this shit eat into health insurance costs and disability down the road. Taxing it helps offset some of these costs. When was the last time somebody went on disability because they bought a yacht or a Porsche?2001400ex said:
Now that I have a minute. I'm not a big sin tax guy. Be it tobacco, alcohol, or pop (ILTCIPIWILTD). They overwhelmingly tax the poor. I'm more of a gluttony tax guy. Tax the yatchs, Porsches and prostitutes.RaceBannon said:Coke raising prices bad
Seattle taxing the shit out of Coke good
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Doogs hate factsCirrhosisDawg said:
It’s health insurance. Not fee for service. If you’re not covered you are a free rider and abusing the system. Get covered or pay the tax.greenblood said:
Like race said, everybody paid regardless of health. Also the wealthy that could afford their own care and didn’t want coverage had to pay a higher mandate than people that couldn’t afford the insurance but still used unpaid services.CirrhosisDawg said:
People should cover their own costs to the system?greenblood said:
Such a weird concept...asking people who milk our health insurance and disability system to pay more than those that make healthy choices. I’m such bastard and a Democrat.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Yes, that's the answer. More taxes. You sound like a fucking democrat.greenblood said:
Tobacco, alcohol, and pop create a net financial negative. People that consume this shit eat into health insurance costs and disability down the road. Taxing it helps offset some of these costs. When was the last time somebody went on disability because they bought a yacht or a Porsche?2001400ex said:
Now that I have a minute. I'm not a big sin tax guy. Be it tobacco, alcohol, or pop (ILTCIPIWILTD). They overwhelmingly tax the poor. I'm more of a gluttony tax guy. Tax the yatchs, Porsches and prostitutes.RaceBannon said:Coke raising prices bad
Seattle taxing the shit out of Coke good
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The sales tax in Washington state doesn't apply to non-prepared food. It does apply to prepared food.oregonblitzkrieg said:Lets just punish everyone and tax everything if we're going to be taxing and punishing soda drinkers. Tax steaks. Tax ice cream. Tax candy. Tax whole milk. Tax butter.
Oh wait, they already do that. It's called a fucking sales tax.
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WTGWTRaceBannon said:
Doogs hate factsCirrhosisDawg said:
It’s health insurance. Not fee for service. If you’re not covered you are a free rider and abusing the system. Get covered or pay the tax.greenblood said:
Like race said, everybody paid regardless of health. Also the wealthy that could afford their own care and didn’t want coverage had to pay a higher mandate than people that couldn’t afford the insurance but still used unpaid services.CirrhosisDawg said:
People should cover their own costs to the system?greenblood said:
Such a weird concept...asking people who milk our health insurance and disability system to pay more than those that make healthy choices. I’m such bastard and a Democrat.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Yes, that's the answer. More taxes. You sound like a fucking democrat.greenblood said:
Tobacco, alcohol, and pop create a net financial negative. People that consume this shit eat into health insurance costs and disability down the road. Taxing it helps offset some of these costs. When was the last time somebody went on disability because they bought a yacht or a Porsche?2001400ex said:
Now that I have a minute. I'm not a big sin tax guy. Be it tobacco, alcohol, or pop (ILTCIPIWILTD). They overwhelmingly tax the poor. I'm more of a gluttony tax guy. Tax the yatchs, Porsches and prostitutes.RaceBannon said:Coke raising prices bad
Seattle taxing the shit out of Coke good
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That missed the point but then you argued, incorrectly, the exact opposite point several posts later. It's like I was 4 steps ahead of your argument and you didn't even know it.greenblood said:
"Tax other shit that doesn't disproportionately tax the poor"2001400ex said:
You just circled back to my point that you said wasn't the point. Thanks for that.greenblood said:
Causation...generational poor many times is continued or caused by the over consumption of cigarettes, alcohol, and sugary beverages. These taxes aren't taxes on the poor, they're taxes on schmucks that consume these products. People argue that it's cheaper to eat like crap. In some ways it is, however... A case of bottled water is cheaper than a case of Pepsi/Coke. But many poor people still choose soda. It isn't always a cost thing. Many times it's a lack of will power and self control thing. Making these items more expensive might be an incentive for people to stop consuming them.2001400ex said:
You are putting words in my mouth. Tobacco, pop and alcohol are already taxed a shit ton. I'm not in favor of further taxing them. That doesn't mean I want their taxes ended. Tax other shit that doesn't disproportionately tax the poor.greenblood said:
Zero, but it was sold that way. The government as usual didn't follow through.2001400ex said:
Ok.... How much of those taxes actually goes to health Care?greenblood said:
Way to miss the point as usual2001400ex said:
When was the last time someone didn't smoke a cigarette, drink some tequila, or drink a pop cause the tax? Never.greenblood said:
Tobacco, alcohol, and pop create a net financial negative. People that consume this shit eat into health insurance costs and disability down the road. Taxing it helps offset some of these costs. When was the last time somebody went on disability because they bought a yacht or a Porsche?2001400ex said:
Now that I have a minute. I'm not a big sin tax guy. Be it tobacco, alcohol, or pop (ILTCIPIWILTD). They overwhelmingly tax the poor. I'm more of a gluttony tax guy. Tax the yatchs, Porsches and prostitutes.RaceBannon said:Coke raising prices bad
Seattle taxing the shit out of Coke good
And you miss the point that taxes are sold as making people healthier. Which doesn't happen.
Here's the problem with your argument. I assume you're claiming that since the government doesn't use the tax like they are supposed to, you want them to quit the tax on those and tax other shit that rich people buy. To you a dollar is a dollar so why not tax the big bad rich guy.
I say fuck that. The government was correct with the intent of taxing unhealthy shit that hurts the bottom line down the road. They just need to be held accountable for not executing the fucking plan.
"And you miss the point that taxes are sold as making people healthier. Which doesn't happen."
Those are what I addressed.
"When was the last time someone didn't smoke a cigarette, drink some tequila, or drink a pop cause the tax? Never." - This is what you said that missed the point. HTH -
Washington state is the center of the UNIVERSE POTDSquirt said:
The sales tax in Washington state doesn't apply to non-prepared food. It does apply to prepared food.oregonblitzkrieg said:Lets just punish everyone and tax everything if we're going to be taxing and punishing soda drinkers. Tax steaks. Tax ice cream. Tax candy. Tax whole milk. Tax butter.
Oh wait, they already do that. It's called a fucking sales tax.
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Actually that’s Fremont.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Washington state is the center of the UNIVERSE POTDSquirt said:
The sales tax in Washington state doesn't apply to non-prepared food. It does apply to prepared food.oregonblitzkrieg said:Lets just punish everyone and tax everything if we're going to be taxing and punishing soda drinkers. Tax steaks. Tax ice cream. Tax candy. Tax whole milk. Tax butter.
Oh wait, they already do that. It's called a fucking sales tax.
For fuck's sake. -
Only a few states apply a sales tax to groceries, usually at a reduced rate.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Washington state is the center of the UNIVERSE POTDSquirt said:The sales tax in Washington state doesn't apply to non-prepared food. It does apply to prepared food.
For fuck's sake.
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You're arguing for higher taxes, so fuck off. There are more than enough taxes AS IS. Federal Income tax. State income tax. Property tax. Sales tax. Gas tax. And on and on and on. Move to Europe or Canada if you want more taxation, socialist.Squirt said:
Only a few states apply a sales tax to groceries, usually at a reduced rate.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Washington state is the center of the UNIVERSE POTDSquirt said:The sales tax in Washington state doesn't apply to non-prepared food. It does apply to prepared food.
For fuck's sake.
