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Was Trump smart when he said he didn't believe Russia was hacking America. Or was he smart when he said Russia was hacking America?
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Did you know the FBI never examined the DNC servers? Seems odd doesn't it but the DNC wouldn't allow it. Even odder! But hey they had nothing to hide.2001400ex said:Was Trump smart when he said he didn't believe Russia was hacking America. Or was he smart when he said Russia was hacking America?
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This is all complete bullshit.Sledog said:
Did you know the FBI never examined the DNC servers? Seems odd doesn't it but the DNC wouldn't allow it. Even odder! But hey they had nothing to hide.2001400ex said:Was Trump smart when he said he didn't believe Russia was hacking America. Or was he smart when he said Russia was hacking America?
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Look it up.dflea said:
This is all complete bullshit.Sledog said:
Did you know the FBI never examined the DNC servers? Seems odd doesn't it but the DNC wouldn't allow it. Even odder! But hey they had nothing to hide.2001400ex said:Was Trump smart when he said he didn't believe Russia was hacking America. Or was he smart when he said Russia was hacking America?
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Sledog forgets the release of DNC emails to the public.dflea said:
This is all complete bullshit.Sledog said:
Did you know the FBI never examined the DNC servers? Seems odd doesn't it but the DNC wouldn't allow it. Even odder! But hey they had nothing to hide.2001400ex said:Was Trump smart when he said he didn't believe Russia was hacking America. Or was he smart when he said Russia was hacking America?
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That was the Chinese.2001400ex said:
Sledog forgets the release of DNC emails to the public.dflea said:
This is all complete bullshit.Sledog said:
Did you know the FBI never examined the DNC servers? Seems odd doesn't it but the DNC wouldn't allow it. Even odder! But hey they had nothing to hide.2001400ex said:Was Trump smart when he said he didn't believe Russia was hacking America. Or was he smart when he said Russia was hacking America?
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I liked the article.
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NBC even states it while trying to cover the commies. But what can one expect from the Nothing But Commie network.2001400ex said:
Sledog forgets the release of DNC emails to the public.dflea said:
This is all complete bullshit.Sledog said:
Did you know the FBI never examined the DNC servers? Seems odd doesn't it but the DNC wouldn't allow it. Even odder! But hey they had nothing to hide.2001400ex said:Was Trump smart when he said he didn't believe Russia was hacking America. Or was he smart when he said Russia was hacking America?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-trump-promoted-conspiracy-theories-here-s-truth-n891756
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I see this issue raised by Trump, you, and others, but I'm not sure what the point is. Why does it matter?Sledog said:Did you know the FBI never examined the DNC servers? Seems odd doesn't it but the DNC wouldn't allow it. Even odder! But hey they had nothing to hide.
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This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how Forensic Technology investigations work that has been completely misconstrued by some on the right. You don’t need the physical servers to examine them. They did receive the imaging and data on the servers which is a perfectly fine substitute for the physical thing.Sledog said:
Did you know the FBI never examined the DNC servers? Seems odd doesn't it but the DNC wouldn't allow it. Even odder! But hey they had nothing to hide.2001400ex said:Was Trump smart when he said he didn't believe Russia was hacking America. Or was he smart when he said Russia was hacking America?
Source: I work as a Forensic Investigator and have many friends in our Forensic Technology group who confirmed the above information. -
Genuinely curious: What do the ForBros think about this one report? https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/Edwin_Bambino said:
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how Forensic Technology investigations work that has been completely misconstrued by some on the right. You don’t need the physical servers to examine them. They did receive the imaging and data on the servers which is a perfectly fine substitute for the physical thing.Sledog said:
Did you know the FBI never examined the DNC servers? Seems odd doesn't it but the DNC wouldn't allow it. Even odder! But hey they had nothing to hide.2001400ex said:Was Trump smart when he said he didn't believe Russia was hacking America. Or was he smart when he said Russia was hacking America?
Source: I work as a Forensic Investigator and have many friends in our Forensic Technology group who confirmed the above information.
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I’m not super technology literate myself, I’ll have to ask one of my buddies.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Genuinely curious: What do the ForBros think about this one report? https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/Edwin_Bambino said:
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how Forensic Technology investigations work that has been completely misconstrued by some on the right. You don’t need the physical servers to examine them. They did receive the imaging and data on the servers which is a perfectly fine substitute for the physical thing.Sledog said:
Did you know the FBI never examined the DNC servers? Seems odd doesn't it but the DNC wouldn't allow it. Even odder! But hey they had nothing to hide.2001400ex said:Was Trump smart when he said he didn't believe Russia was hacking America. Or was he smart when he said Russia was hacking America?
Source: I work as a Forensic Investigator and have many friends in our Forensic Technology group who confirmed the above information.
There was dissent within this VIPS group on the findings. -
This is what it's about.
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Defending Trump is fine, I guess, but if we're gonna defend Russia I'm fucking out!Sledog said:
This is what it's about. -
And for what it's worth, even the House Intelligence Committee's report concluded that the intelligence community's assessment was correct: Russia hacked DNC servers and passed the stolen emails to WikiLeaks.Edwin_Bambino said:
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how Forensic Technology investigations work that has been completely misconstrued by some on the right. You don’t need the physical servers to examine them. They did receive the imaging and data on the servers which is a perfectly fine substitute for the physical thing.Sledog said:Did you know the FBI never examined the DNC servers? Seems odd doesn't it but the DNC wouldn't allow it. Even odder! But hey they had nothing to hide.
Source: I work as a Forensic Investigator and have many friends in our Forensic Technology group who confirmed the above information.
Look at pages 22-31 of the report (PDF). The publicly available copy is heavily redacted because of the classified info that it supposedly contains, but the report's conclusions are still there for anyone to see.
I guess anybody could still claim that the DNC fabricated the Russian-hacking story and point to the DNC's handling of its servers as evidence of that claim. But you'd have to argue that both the intelligence community and House Republicans got it wrong. And you'd have to argue @Edwin_Bambino doesn't know what he's talking about. Pass. -
I never know what I’m talking about. But unfortunately on this stupid subject I do.Squirt said:
And for what it's worth, even the House Intelligence Committee's report concluded that the intelligence committee's assessment was correct: Russia hacked DNC servers and passed the stolen emails to WikiLeaks.Edwin_Bambino said:
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how Forensic Technology investigations work that has been completely misconstrued by some on the right. You don’t need the physical servers to examine them. They did receive the imaging and data on the servers which is a perfectly fine substitute for the physical thing.Sledog said:Did you know the FBI never examined the DNC servers? Seems odd doesn't it but the DNC wouldn't allow it. Even odder! But hey they had nothing to hide.
Source: I work as a Forensic Investigator and have many friends in our Forensic Technology group who confirmed the above information.
Look at pages 22-31 of the report (PDF). The publicly available copy is heavily redacted because of the classified info that it supposedly contains, but the report's conclusions are still there for anyone to see.
I guess anybody could still claim that the DNC fabricated the Russian-hacking story and point to the DNC's handling of its servers as evidence of that claim. But you'd have to argue that both the intelligence community and House Republicans got it wrong. And you'd have to argue @Edwin_Bambino doesn't know what he's talking about. Pass.
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That may be so, but you're a specialist so you can't be trusted.Edwin_Bambino said:
I never know what I’m talking about. But unfortunately on this stupid subject I do.Squirt said:
And for what it's worth, even the House Intelligence Committee's report concluded that the intelligence committee's assessment was correct: Russia hacked DNC servers and passed the stolen emails to WikiLeaks.Edwin_Bambino said:
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how Forensic Technology investigations work that has been completely misconstrued by some on the right. You don’t need the physical servers to examine them. They did receive the imaging and data on the servers which is a perfectly fine substitute for the physical thing.Sledog said:Did you know the FBI never examined the DNC servers? Seems odd doesn't it but the DNC wouldn't allow it. Even odder! But hey they had nothing to hide.
Source: I work as a Forensic Investigator and have many friends in our Forensic Technology group who confirmed the above information.
Look at pages 22-31 of the report (PDF). The publicly available copy is heavily redacted because of the classified info that it supposedly contains, but the report's conclusions are still there for anyone to see.
I guess anybody could still claim that the DNC fabricated the Russian-hacking story and point to the DNC's handling of its servers as evidence of that claim. But you'd have to argue that both the intelligence community and House Republicans got it wrong. And you'd have to argue @Edwin_Bambino doesn't know what he's talking about. Pass. -
E_B probably works for the deep state.
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I would never tell!!!!!!dflea said:E_B probably works for the deep state.
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Just wait until Trump hands you over to Putin for an interview.Edwin_Bambino said:
I would never tell!!!!!!dflea said:E_B probably works for the deep state.
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As Race likes to say, I’m a huge pussy so I’d spill the beans in 4 seconds.Squirt said:
Just wait until Trump hands you over to Putin for an interview.Edwin_Bambino said:
I would never tell!!!!!!dflea said:E_B probably works for the deep state.
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None of this bullshit explains why the DNC never turned over the physical servers themselves. Backup servers can be easily manipulated by the DNC's IT infrastructure. Images can be manipulated.
None of these bullshit replies account for the fact that the file transfer speed was too fast for it to have been hackers in Russia. Hackers also do not leave any trace of where they are from - there is no way to trace where the hacks originated (proxies are a thing).
The DNC is full of shit, the leaks came from within their own organization, Russia probably does hack or attempt to hack shit all the time (China is a lot more successful), and Trump is not an idiot.
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PUTIN: Tell me how the FBI knew we hacked the DNC servers!Edwin_Bambino said:
I would never tell!!!!!!dflea said:E_B probably works for the deep state.
@Edwin_Bambino: I’m not super technology literate myself, I’ll have to ask one of my buddies. -
Images or no, that is weird.PostGameOrangeSlices said:None of this bullshit explains why the DNC never turned over the physical servers themselves. Backup servers can be easily manipulated by the DNC's IT infrastructure. Images can be manipulated.
I thought that VIPS report was chinteresting shit. However, while I'm no ForBro, categorically stating that it must be internal because of transfer speeds seemed like a stretch.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
None of these bullshit replies account for the fact that the file transfer speed was too fast for it to have been hackers in Russia. Hackers also do not leave any trace of where they are from - there is no way to trace where the hacks originated (proxies are a thing).
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I’m hearing we have a treaty covering that.Squirt said:
Just wait until Trump hands you over to Putin for an interview.Edwin_Bambino said:
I would never tell!!!!!!dflea said:E_B probably works for the deep state.
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The DNC didn’t do the imaging of the machines themselves. An independent third party did. You can gripe about that being weird instead of the FBI doing it, but it’s pretty common practice at least in the corporate world to operate that way when handing stuff over to the SEC. I’m not gonna sit here and pretend to know exactly how the FBI operates regarding data collection.PostGameOrangeSlices said:None of this bullshit explains why the DNC never turned over the physical servers themselves. Backup servers can be easily manipulated by the DNC's IT infrastructure. Images can be manipulated.
None of these bullshit replies account for the fact that the file transfer speed was too fast for it to have been hackers in Russia. Hackers also do not leave any trace of where they are from - there is no way to trace where the hacks originated (proxies are a thing).
The DNC is full of shit, the leaks came from within their own organization, Russia probably does hack or attempt to hack shit all the time (China is a lot more successful), and Trump is not an idiot.
HTH
Also your comment on hackers leaving no trace is just wrong but I’m too lazy to actually provide any information to debunk it. -
I thought that VIPS report was chinteresting shit. However, while I'm no ForBro, categorically stating that it must be internal because of transfer speeds seemed like a stretch.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
None of these bullshit replies account for the fact that the file transfer speed was too fast for it to have been hackers in Russia. Hackers also do not leave any trace of where they are from - there is no way to trace where the hacks originated (proxies are a thing).
I don't think it's too big of a stretch but I don't know a ton about this stuff either. -
Edwin_Bambino said:
The DNC didn’t do the imaging of the machines themselves. An independent third party did. You can gripe about that being weird instead of the FBI doing it, but it’s pretty common practice at least in the corporate world to operate that way when handing stuff over to the SEC. I’m not gonna sit here and pretend to know exactly how the FBI operates regarding data collection.PostGameOrangeSlices said:None of this bullshit explains why the DNC never turned over the physical servers themselves. Backup servers can be easily manipulated by the DNC's IT infrastructure. Images can be manipulated.
None of these bullshit replies account for the fact that the file transfer speed was too fast for it to have been hackers in Russia. Hackers also do not leave any trace of where they are from - there is no way to trace where the hacks originated (proxies are a thing).
The DNC is full of shit, the leaks came from within their own organization, Russia probably does hack or attempt to hack shit all the time (China is a lot more successful), and Trump is not an idiot.
HTH
You're right, it was an IT security outfit that was a vendor for the DNC. A totally nonpartisan, unbiased outfit that definitely wouldn't be bribed or influenced.
Christ.
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I don't think it's too big of a stretch but I don't know a ton about this stuff either.PostGameOrangeSlices said:You're right, it was an IT security outfit that was a vendor for the DNC. A totally nonpartisan, unbiased outfit that definitely wouldn't be bribed or influenced.
Christ.
