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allpurpleallgold
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GB92XPyBOtoThis is the case to have an article 5 convention to amend the constitution to take money out of politics. Everyone should support this and I expect only Honda to be against it. If you’re a republican please understand that your team will never get money out of politics. Even if you think Trump is draining the swamp, what is he doing to make sure it remains drained after he leaves office? He’s not putting people on the Supreme Court that will rule against Citizens United. The politicians that have been bought by donors will never do it. This is the way. Please support this cause even if you don’t like who’s driving it.
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If it comes along with eliminating corporate taxes, agree
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Cenk Uygur. Lol. Jesus Christ man.
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FYFMFE, but I watched it. Cenk made a decent argument for the libertarian cause of limited & local government.MikeDamone said:Cenk Uygur. Lol. Jesus Christ man.
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Yeah. But still.GrundleStiltzkin said:
FYFMFE, but I watched it. Cenk made a decent argument for the libertarian cause of limited & local government.MikeDamone said:Cenk Uygur. Lol. Jesus Christ man.
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On the Yella Party platform we would just tax all political contributions and call it good.
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Or just let free people do what they want....YellowSnow said:On the Yella Party platform we would just tax all political contributions and call it good.
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He is a rampaging douchenozzleMikeDamone said:
Yeah. But still.GrundleStiltzkin said:
FYFMFE, but I watched it. Cenk made a decent argument for the libertarian cause of limited & local government.MikeDamone said:Cenk Uygur. Lol. Jesus Christ man.
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Like vote without an ID?MikeDamone said:
Or just let free people do what they want....YellowSnow said:On the Yella Party platform we would just tax all political contributions and call it good.
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Citizens, sureallpurpleallgold said:
Like vote without an ID?MikeDamone said:
Or just let free people do what they want....YellowSnow said:On the Yella Party platform we would just tax all political contributions and call it good.
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It's easy, overturn citizens United. Both parties govern in the best interest of the big donors. Obama made his money on crowdfunding small donations but still governed for the big corporations.
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Great false equivalency as always. Also very racist.allpurpleallgold said:
Like vote without an ID?MikeDamone said:
Or just let free people do what they want....YellowSnow said:On the Yella Party platform we would just tax all political contributions and call it good.
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All this thread needs is a few piles of wood chips burned now
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Progressives would love to tax corporations without allowing corporations engage in the same political process that is taking their money. Mute money buckets are best, yes?2001400ex said:It's easy, overturn citizens United. Both parties govern in the best interest of the big donors. Obama made his money on crowdfunding small donations but still governed for the big corporations.
If you? want to be symmetrical about it, eliminate corporate taxes, political donations, lobbyists and all that messy redress of grievances business, and shift all tax burden to real persons.
Of course, that will never happen politically because real persons get really pissed when there's real transparency. -
What does the corporate tax rate have to do with lobbying? They are two different issues.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Progressives would love to tax corporations without allowing corporations engage in the same political process that is taking their money. Mute money buckets are best, yes?2001400ex said:It's easy, overturn citizens United. Both parties govern in the best interest of the big donors. Obama made his money on crowdfunding small donations but still governed for the big corporations.
If you? want to be symmetrical about it, eliminate corporate taxes, political donations, lobbyists and all that messy redress of grievances business, and shift all tax burden to real persons.
Of course, that will never happen politically because real persons get really pissed when there's real transparency.
And honestly, I think all lobbying with money should be gone, not just lobbying from corporations.
Look at it this way, the electoral college was setup so the large wealthy states didn't have a disproportionate advantage in voting than smaller states. Why is our lobbying system setup where it favors the wealthy and corporations? Not only federal politics but local City politics too. -
Fuck, Hondao, seriously?2001400ex said:
What does the corporate tax rate have to do with lobbying? They are two different issues.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Progressives would love to tax corporations without allowing corporations engage in the same political process that is taking their money. Mute money buckets are best, yes?2001400ex said:It's easy, overturn citizens United. Both parties govern in the best interest of the big donors. Obama made his money on crowdfunding small donations but still governed for the big corporations.
If you? want to be symmetrical about it, eliminate corporate taxes, political donations, lobbyists and all that messy redress of grievances business, and shift all tax burden to real persons.
Of course, that will never happen politically because real persons get really pissed when there's real transparency.
And honestly, I think all lobbying with money should be gone, not just lobbying from corporations.
Look at it this way, the electoral college was setup so the large wealthy states didn't have a disproportionate advantage in voting than smaller states. Why is our lobbying system setup where it favors the wealthy and corporations? Not only federal politics but local City politics too. -
We should just tax Jews at 100% percent. We could afford so much socialism with that kind of loot. Think of all the time you could dedicate to something else. Like soccer for instance.
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I'll agree to this tentatively in principle in exchange for an accompanying amendment of term limits on all members of Congress. 2 terms max. So there won't be any more Pelosis or Clintons or Bushes or Romneys in the future. Break up the oligarchy. Congress is the House of Lords. Break up the cliques before they can consolidate power. But first you need to address the taxation issue that was raised.
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I don’t think you know what a false equivalency is, Michael. See I asked a question, in order for me to say that two things are equivalent I would have to make a statement.MikeDamone said:
Great false equivalency as always. Also very racist.allpurpleallgold said:
Like vote without an ID?MikeDamone said:
Or just let free people do what they want....YellowSnow said:On the Yella Party platform we would just tax all political contributions and call it good.
Stop using big words when you don’t know what they mean. -
Talk it out. What's wrong with my position?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Fuck, Hondao, seriously?2001400ex said:
What does the corporate tax rate have to do with lobbying? They are two different issues.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Progressives would love to tax corporations without allowing corporations engage in the same political process that is taking their money. Mute money buckets are best, yes?2001400ex said:It's easy, overturn citizens United. Both parties govern in the best interest of the big donors. Obama made his money on crowdfunding small donations but still governed for the big corporations.
If you? want to be symmetrical about it, eliminate corporate taxes, political donations, lobbyists and all that messy redress of grievances business, and shift all tax burden to real persons.
Of course, that will never happen politically because real persons get really pissed when there's real transparency.
And honestly, I think all lobbying with money should be gone, not just lobbying from corporations.
Look at it this way, the electoral college was setup so the large wealthy states didn't have a disproportionate advantage in voting than smaller states. Why is our lobbying system setup where it favors the wealthy and corporations? Not only federal politics but local City politics too. -
While I agree on term limits. As long as there's money in politics the way it is now. The replacements will be bought off the same.oregonblitzkrieg said:I'll agree to this tentatively in principle in exchange for an accompanying amendment of term limits on all members of Congress. 2 terms max. So there won't be any more Pelosis or Clintons or Bushes or Romneys in the future. Break up the oligarchy. Congress is the House of Lords. Break up the cliques before they can consolidate power. But first you need to address the taxation issue that was raised.
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Bad Michael.
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What does the corporate tax rate have to do with lobbying? They are two different issues.2001400ex said:
Talk it out. What's wrong with my position?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Fuck, Hondao, seriously?2001400ex said:
What does the corporate tax rate have to do with lobbying? They are two different issues.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Progressives would love to tax corporations without allowing corporations engage in the same political process that is taking their money. Mute money buckets are best, yes?2001400ex said:It's easy, overturn citizens United. Both parties govern in the best interest of the big donors. Obama made his money on crowdfunding small donations but still governed for the big corporations.
If you? want to be symmetrical about it, eliminate corporate taxes, political donations, lobbyists and all that messy redress of grievances business, and shift all tax burden to real persons.
Of course, that will never happen politically because real persons get really pissed when there's real transparency.
And honestly, I think all lobbying with money should be gone, not just lobbying from corporations.
Look at it this way, the electoral college was setup so the large wealthy states didn't have a disproportionate advantage in voting than smaller states. Why is our lobbying system setup where it favors the wealthy and corporations? Not only federal politics but local City politics too.
What, at least a third? Taxation, revenue and regulation.
And honestly, I think all lobbying with money should be gone, not just lobbying from corporations.
Patently unconstitutional.
Look at it this way, the electoral college was setup so the large wealthy states didn't have a disproportionate advantage in voting than smaller states. Why is our lobbying system setup where it favors the wealthy and corporations? Not only federal politics but local City politics too.
Feels non sequitur ( @Octavian?) but I guess this is the larger question about "money in politics." Whatever.
The easy but impossible way to remove money from politics is to remove money from politicians. -
I cant even troll in support of this. Chunk is a fat piece of shit.
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How is blowing up the lobbying system unconstitutional? I know the courts have decided that lobbying money equates to free speech (roughly, it's more complicated of course). I don't know of anything in the Constitution that allows for a system where politicians are legally bribed and bought off.GrundleStiltzkin said:
What does the corporate tax rate have to do with lobbying? They are two different issues.2001400ex said:
Talk it out. What's wrong with my position?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Fuck, Hondao, seriously?2001400ex said:
What does the corporate tax rate have to do with lobbying? They are two different issues.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Progressives would love to tax corporations without allowing corporations engage in the same political process that is taking their money. Mute money buckets are best, yes?2001400ex said:It's easy, overturn citizens United. Both parties govern in the best interest of the big donors. Obama made his money on crowdfunding small donations but still governed for the big corporations.
If you? want to be symmetrical about it, eliminate corporate taxes, political donations, lobbyists and all that messy redress of grievances business, and shift all tax burden to real persons.
Of course, that will never happen politically because real persons get really pissed when there's real transparency.
And honestly, I think all lobbying with money should be gone, not just lobbying from corporations.
Look at it this way, the electoral college was setup so the large wealthy states didn't have a disproportionate advantage in voting than smaller states. Why is our lobbying system setup where it favors the wealthy and corporations? Not only federal politics but local City politics too.
What, at least a third? Taxation, revenue and regulation.
And honestly, I think all lobbying with money should be gone, not just lobbying from corporations.
Patently unconstitutional.
Look at it this way, the electoral college was setup so the large wealthy states didn't have a disproportionate advantage in voting than smaller states. Why is our lobbying system setup where it favors the wealthy and corporations? Not only federal politics but local City politics too.
Feels non sequitur ( @Octavian?) but I guess this is the larger question about "money in politics." Whatever.
The easy but impossible way to remove money from politics is to remove money from politicians.
But maybe you know something I don't. -
Guys, we have this amazing invention, it's called Google. Go ahead and Google it!
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I was a couple mules in and missed you're money stipulation, but looks like you answered that one yourself.2001400ex said:
How is blowing up the lobbying system unconstitutional? I know the courts have decided that lobbying money equates to free speech (roughly, it's more complicated of course). I don't know of anything in the Constitution that allows for a system where politicians are legally bribed and bought off.GrundleStiltzkin said:
What does the corporate tax rate have to do with lobbying? They are two different issues.2001400ex said:
Talk it out. What's wrong with my position?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Fuck, Hondao, seriously?2001400ex said:
What does the corporate tax rate have to do with lobbying? They are two different issues.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Progressives would love to tax corporations without allowing corporations engage in the same political process that is taking their money. Mute money buckets are best, yes?2001400ex said:It's easy, overturn citizens United. Both parties govern in the best interest of the big donors. Obama made his money on crowdfunding small donations but still governed for the big corporations.
If you? want to be symmetrical about it, eliminate corporate taxes, political donations, lobbyists and all that messy redress of grievances business, and shift all tax burden to real persons.
Of course, that will never happen politically because real persons get really pissed when there's real transparency.
And honestly, I think all lobbying with money should be gone, not just lobbying from corporations.
Look at it this way, the electoral college was setup so the large wealthy states didn't have a disproportionate advantage in voting than smaller states. Why is our lobbying system setup where it favors the wealthy and corporations? Not only federal politics but local City politics too.
What, at least a third? Taxation, revenue and regulation.
And honestly, I think all lobbying with money should be gone, not just lobbying from corporations.
Patently unconstitutional.
Look at it this way, the electoral college was setup so the large wealthy states didn't have a disproportionate advantage in voting than smaller states. Why is our lobbying system setup where it favors the wealthy and corporations? Not only federal politics but local City politics too.
Feels non sequitur ( @Octavian?) but I guess this is the larger question about "money in politics." Whatever.
The easy but impossible way to remove money from politics is to remove money from politicians.
But maybe you know something I don't. -
We all know what you meant and it was fucking stupid.allpurpleallgold said:
I don’t think you know what a false equivalency is, Michael. See I asked a question, in order for me to say that two things are equivalent I would have to make a statement.MikeDamone said:
Great false equivalency as always. Also very racist.allpurpleallgold said:
Like vote without an ID?MikeDamone said:
Or just let free people do what they want....YellowSnow said:On the Yella Party platform we would just tax all political contributions and call it good.
Stop using big words when you don’t know what they mean. -
Hilary outspent Trump 2 to 1
Hillary outspent Bernie by more than that
She lost to both of them
Money can't buy a good candidate
JEB! was the GOP money choice and the first one out
