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You are arguing against yourself and you don't even realize it. OBK fucking stupid.oregonblitzkrieg said:
What's your point? If laying fiber is more expensive there, it only reinforces my argument that ISPs should be regarded as utilities. The competition argument falls flat. The cost of entering that market, laying fiber, etc. is way too high for people to expect completion to flourish.PurpleJ said:Portugal? Portugal is in the heavily regulated EU and is a socialist nation. I would be willing to bet that laying fiber is even more expensive there than it is here. Seems like you get what you pay for no matter what.
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All of you who are arguing against net neutrality are arguing for the right of ISPs to effectively be the arbiters and gatekeepers of information on the interwebs, and your access to it. That would give them more power than all the governments of the world. Do you really believe ISPs should have the right to engage in shit like slow and fast lanes, selectively choking off access to sites of their choosing?
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@SickManOfEurope true??????PurpleJ said:Portugal? Portugal is in the heavily regulated EU and is a socialist nation. I would be willing to bet that laying fiber is even more expensive there than it is here. Seems like you get what you pay for no matter what.
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Governments would NEVER censor information or limit your access to it, right comrade?oregonblitzkrieg said:All of you who are arguing against net neutrality are arguing for the right of ISPs to effectively be the arbiters and gatekeepers of information on the interwebs, and your access to it. That would give them more power than all the governments of the world. Do you really believe ISPs should have the right to engage in shit like slow and fast lanes, selectively choking off access to sites of their choosing?
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Facebook/Twitter/Derek would NEVER censor information or limit your access to it, right comrade?PurpleJ said:
Governments would NEVER censor information or limit your access to it, right comrade?oregonblitzkrieg said:All of you who are arguing against net neutrality are arguing for the right of ISPs to effectively be the arbiters and gatekeepers of information on the interwebs, and your access to it. That would give them more power than all the governments of the world. Do you really believe ISPs should have the right to engage in shit like slow and fast lanes, selectively choking off access to sites of their choosing?
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ISP's are much much more like utilities than private companies competing in a free market. Agreed that we need competition but this isn't the way that you are going to get it. I am biased in favor of free market solutions but there are very few ways to achieve an actual free market in this case. Laying new fiber in a location is prohibitive in a variety of ways and the existence of the current infrastructure often prohibits it completely. Until wireless catches up with cable you reasonably don't have a shot at real competition.
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They are because the government made them that way. It was dumb when they did it with phone companies and even dumber when they repeated those mistakes.UW_Doog_Bot said:ISP's are much much more like utilities than private companies competing in a free market. Agreed that we need competition but this isn't the way that you are going to get it. I am biased in favor of free market solutions but there are very few ways to achieve an actual free market in this case. Laying new fiber in a location is prohibitive in a variety of ways and the existence of the current infrastructure often prohibits it completely. Until wireless catches up with cable you reasonably don't have a shot at real competition.
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All two of them?PurpleJ said:
Commies gonna commie. You are free to choose any ISP you want.oregonblitzkrieg said:This was easily the most retarded policy under Trump. Makes zero sense, hurts consumers, does NOTHING to spur innovation as claimed, and opens the door for abuse by ISPs.
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Portugal is your source?oregonblitzkrieg said:Learn from the idiots that came before you, or repeat their mistakes.
"Portugal's internet shows us a world without net neutrality, and it's ugly"
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Pray tell, who's competing with who for our? business?PurpleJ said:The internet is not a public utility and should not be treated as such.
You like to think that making it a government sanctioned monopoly will improve service levels and encourage competition. That's what you like to do. Commie.
