Video analysis: UW's 3rd down production on offense in 2017
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DoogCourics said:
Except for that first clip. That shit makes me feel ridiculously happy every time I see it. It’s impossible not to smile.
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Hugh Millen went orgasmic over a third down pass in the winning drive. It was impressive but that's what great qbs are supposed to do. A lot.Gladstone said:
He's right:Tequilla said:
In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that baddnc said:
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhTjtK2EcWc
T minus 3...2...1 until someone equates that with Browning against Utah.
Jake wasn't able to make the team better than average or worse
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The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talentdnc said:
Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).Tequilla said:
In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that baddnc said:
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK.
Again, the polar opposite of Browning. -
And REAL Jake had almost no quarterback coaching in high school or at Warshington.Tequilla said:
The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talentdnc said:
Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).Tequilla said:
In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that baddnc said:
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK.
Again, the polar opposite of Browning. -
I know a GOOD offense when I see one.
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You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?Tequilla said:
The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talentdnc said:
Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).Tequilla said:
In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that baddnc said:
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK.
Again, the polar opposite of Browning. -
Find your own wheelhouse assholeArtBriles said:I know a GOOD offense when I see one.
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When Jake dipped in '08, how'd we do?RaceBannon said:
You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?Tequilla said:
The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talentdnc said:
Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).Tequilla said:
In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that baddnc said:
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK.
Again, the polar opposite of Browning. -
Jake was better than Ronnie Fouch, I don't think anyone would argue otherwise.Dennis_DeYoung said:
When Jake dipped in '08, how'd we do?RaceBannon said:
You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?Tequilla said:
The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talentdnc said:
Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).Tequilla said:
In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that baddnc said:
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK.
Again, the polar opposite of Browning. -
We were winless with him tooDennis_DeYoung said:
When Jake dipped in '08, how'd we do?RaceBannon said:
You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?Tequilla said:
The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talentdnc said:
Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).Tequilla said:
In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that baddnc said:
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK.
Again, the polar opposite of Browning.
And he cost us 1-11 with a penalty!
We were 7-6 before Tui and 7-6 after Tui. Ok Cody's first year we were 8-4 or something but lost 65-7 to the Canes -
You wouldn’t know a good defense thoughArtBriles said:I know a GOOD offense when I see one.
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That’s funnyRaceBannon said:
You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?Tequilla said:
The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talentdnc said:
Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).Tequilla said:
In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that baddnc said:
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK.
Again, the polar opposite of Browning. -
Something no one has noted is how many 3rd and longs there were. Like 66% of them. The fuck were we doing on 1st and 2nd down?
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Tequilla said:
That’s trueblockquote>RaceBannon said:
You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?Tequilla said:
The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talentdnc said:
Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).Tequilla said:
In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that baddnc said:
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK.
Again, the polar opposite of Browning. -
Jake was probably worth 4 wins the prior year. With Fouch we would've been 0-12 in '07 as well.RaceBannon said:
We were winless with him tooDennis_DeYoung said:
When Jake dipped in '08, how'd we do?RaceBannon said:
You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?Tequilla said:
The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talentdnc said:
Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).Tequilla said:
In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that baddnc said:
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK.
Again, the polar opposite of Browning.
And he cost us 1-11 with a penalty!
We were 7-6 before Tui and 7-6 after Tui. Ok Cody's first year we were 8-4 or something but lost 65-7 to the Canes -
But with John Ross we win 6Dennis_DeYoung said:
Jake was probably worth 4 wins the prior year. With Fouch we would've been 0-12 in '07 as well.RaceBannon said:
We were winless with him tooDennis_DeYoung said:
When Jake dipped in '08, how'd we do?RaceBannon said:
You mean like Tui winning the Rose Bowl with 7-6 talent?Tequilla said:
The team around him also largely sucked ... we played a lot of guys with bottom half of the P12 talentdnc said:
Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).Tequilla said:
In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that baddnc said:
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK.
Again, the polar opposite of Browning.
And he cost us 1-11 with a penalty!
We were 7-6 before Tui and 7-6 after Tui. Ok Cody's first year we were 8-4 or something but lost 65-7 to the Canes -
I was more focused on offenses that use QBs as a runner inside, on QB Powers, Dart Reads, and things like that.dnc said:
Why do you hate Chip Kelly?AIRWOLF said:Locker could have been a tremendous playmaker at QB in the right system. That system wasn't Sark's offense and it sure isn't Petersen's. He would have been great in a Malzahn, Meyer, or Bill Snyder offense. Assuming that offense also had the OL to go with it and not the Willingham dregs he was playing behind.
I really think that offense would have been perfect. Small playbook. Move fast, play on instincts, make limited number of decisions, huge threat as a runner. Locker at Oregon under Chip may have won a natty. Not under any UW coach ever. -
Where were you?BaldwinIV said:Something no one has noted is how many 3rd and longs there were. Like 66% of them. The fuck were we doing on 1st and 2nd down?
1st Down: RB run for little gain, followed by JonathanSmithFS losing faith in the running game.
2nd Down: Jake Browning creating pressure when there isn’t any, then running 10 yards backwards before getting sacked.
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This will be another offseason video discussion for us. I'm curious about 2nd and long after a 1st down short gain or incompletion. I've already pulled the stats but seeing it visually can change the story/give context that '2nd down rush for gain of 1' might not.LesGrossman said:
Where were you?BaldwinIV said:Something no one has noted is how many 3rd and longs there were. Like 66% of them. The fuck were we doing on 1st and 2nd down?
1st Down: RB run for little gain, followed by JonathanSmithFS losing faith in the running game.
2nd Down: Jake Browning creating pressure when there isn’t any, then running 10 yards backwards before getting sacked.
3rd down defense too.
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I will be interested to see the cut-ups, but second and long plus third and anything other than very short make up "passing downs" and I know that the Huskies' success rate on passing downs overall wasn't bad. I believe it was 21st in the country. Of course that isn't SOS adjusted and we know how weak the opposition was. It is pretty likely that against defenses with a pulse the passing success rate was sub-par. That's my recollection of it.Gladstone said:
This will be another offseason video discussion for us. I'm curious about 2nd and long after a 1st down short gain or incompletion. I've already pulled the stats but seeing it visually can change the story/give context that '2nd down rush for gain of 1' might not.LesGrossman said:
Where were you?BaldwinIV said:Something no one has noted is how many 3rd and longs there were. Like 66% of them. The fuck were we doing on 1st and 2nd down?
1st Down: RB run for little gain, followed by JonathanSmithFS losing faith in the running game.
2nd Down: Jake Browning creating pressure when there isn’t any, then running 10 yards backwards before getting sacked.
3rd down defense too.
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Yep.AIRWOLF said:
I will be interested to see the cut-ups, but second and long plus third and anything other than very short make up "passing downs" and I know that the Huskies' success rate on passing downs overall wasn't bad. I believe it was 21st in the country. Of course that isn't SOS adjusted and we know how weak the opposition was. It is pretty likely that against defenses with a pulse the passing success rate was sub-par. That's my recollection of it.Gladstone said:
This will be another offseason video discussion for us. I'm curious about 2nd and long after a 1st down short gain or incompletion. I've already pulled the stats but seeing it visually can change the story/give context that '2nd down rush for gain of 1' might not.LesGrossman said:
Where were you?BaldwinIV said:Something no one has noted is how many 3rd and longs there were. Like 66% of them. The fuck were we doing on 1st and 2nd down?
1st Down: RB run for little gain, followed by JonathanSmithFS losing faith in the running game.
2nd Down: Jake Browning creating pressure when there isn’t any, then running 10 yards backwards before getting sacked.
3rd down defense too.
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We still talking about 2017? Wasn’t that the year when the regular season was cancelled due to too many Trump protests so they just picked 2 SEC teams and one had this godly Hawaiian kid that came in a stole a Nat?
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Bump.
Listening to the pod and it made me come back and watch again. This is a work of art Gladstone. TYFYS. -
@AuburnFan here is every snap from Jake Browning during clutch-time (3rd downs + 2 min drills) last year. Behold our QB and DESPAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Gladstone said:
A claim yesterday by one of the P12 Network announcers that UW boasted one of the best 3rd down offenses in the country rang hallow for me. So I pulled the tape of all non-garbage time 3rd down plays for the offense (+ 4th down attempts and 2-pt conversions). I also excluded Montana because shame on us for scheduling a subdivision team.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLe1T7rHCNM
Have a look and kickstart your memory. Yikes. This needs to be the biggest area of improvement in 2018. Edit: some of the sound encoding is fucked up, twas' done on my phone. Oh well.
