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Account Based Sales / Marketing
DoogCourics
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Yesterday I woke up feeling super doogish (what else is new amirite?). I wrote an extremely long winded poast about UW's recruiting strategy and modern sales strategies which I described in detail, and then the Vanilla Gods chose to smite me and sent it to oblivion never to be seen again.
Lesson un-learned Vanilla Gods. I'm poasting it again and in only slightly less words.
Coach Pete employs an Account Based Sales / Marketing strategy which is extremely work-intensive and a long process. It can be frustrating to investors (poasters at HH) who are looking for one call closes and immediate sales instead of a multiple conference calls, on-site visits, and product demos in a year long sales-cycle.
ABS/ABM Model:
- Know the product you provide inside and out and who the target market for that product is
- Research your prospects and understand company history, core values, services they provide, and how your product fits and will make them profitable
- Provide detailed deployment and implementation strategy as well continued customer support and upgrades for lifespan of product
- Get buy-in from the end user (player) as well as decision makers (parents) involved with purchasing process
- Fewer accounts to manage, higher close rate, larger deal size, bigger profit margin, and less unpaid invoices or product returns
All of this is supported by the smaller number of offers given out by UW, the ratio of commits to offers, level of player development by the staff (young stars joined by unexpected productive seniors) , and the amount of players going to the NFL.
Not only that, but target markets start to hear about the services provided, the end user support, and the continued upgrades and start sending out Requests for Proposals.
Case in point, Elias Ricks' quote two days ago, "“They said they like me but just want to get to know me as a person first and I actually like that. Washington doesn’t just throw out a bunch of offers, you have to earn it and I respect that.”
Not all prospect companies are willing to sign off on such a large PO and implementation timeline, but not every company wants to be successful.
Lesson un-learned Vanilla Gods. I'm poasting it again and in only slightly less words.
Coach Pete employs an Account Based Sales / Marketing strategy which is extremely work-intensive and a long process. It can be frustrating to investors (poasters at HH) who are looking for one call closes and immediate sales instead of a multiple conference calls, on-site visits, and product demos in a year long sales-cycle.
ABS/ABM Model:
- Know the product you provide inside and out and who the target market for that product is
- Research your prospects and understand company history, core values, services they provide, and how your product fits and will make them profitable
- Provide detailed deployment and implementation strategy as well continued customer support and upgrades for lifespan of product
- Get buy-in from the end user (player) as well as decision makers (parents) involved with purchasing process
- Fewer accounts to manage, higher close rate, larger deal size, bigger profit margin, and less unpaid invoices or product returns
All of this is supported by the smaller number of offers given out by UW, the ratio of commits to offers, level of player development by the staff (young stars joined by unexpected productive seniors) , and the amount of players going to the NFL.
Not only that, but target markets start to hear about the services provided, the end user support, and the continued upgrades and start sending out Requests for Proposals.
Case in point, Elias Ricks' quote two days ago, "“They said they like me but just want to get to know me as a person first and I actually like that. Washington doesn’t just throw out a bunch of offers, you have to earn it and I respect that.”
Not all prospect companies are willing to sign off on such a large PO and implementation timeline, but not every company wants to be successful.
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The inverse sales strategy is the archaic model of cold-calling the fuck out of everyone.
- Buy a lead list from a data company that has not been scrubbed for bunk leads
- Do a quick glimpse of prospect company websites to know what their name is, their HQ, and a brief glimpse of their products and skills
- Cold call every lead on the list looking for someone to pick up the phone and point you in the right direction, then repeat weekly
- Find anyone who can use the company credit card, regardless of their spending limits or need for purchase approval for a large PO
- Too large of a book of business to manage, failure to develop relationships, small close rate, collection calls for unpaid invoices, high product return rate
If you're unfamiliar with this model and need an example, I found one just for you!
Oregon fan says they've never even heard of most of the kids they've offered. Wonders if the staff just trying to get their attention, and isn't sure how they can keep track of it all or manage to see each of the prospects to evaluate them.
Duck mod responds:
"Nowadays you have to cast as wide of net as possible. You also just never know which kids from the southeast are more inclined to move west. Have to shoot your shot. Some of these names will never resurface, others will be kids we’ll hear often."
"So far they have 266 sent to 2019 kids, and 91 to 2020 kids. Nearly 100 for a class that won's sign for 20 months at the earliest. That's how you get it done."
I can live as a frustrated doog, but I'd fucking kill myself if I had to deal with that shit.
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Tl;dr
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Isn't that the point of the offseason? Write shit that's too long and people won't read? How the fuck else do you pass the time?Meek said:Tl;dr
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Eat ethnic food and spend your day shitting.DoogCourics said:
Isn't that the point of the offseason? Write shit that's too long and people won't read? How the fuck else do you pass the time?Meek said:Tl;dr
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Great post and new perspective on a process we are pretty familiar with at this point.
There isn't any dispute that CP's recruiting process is effective. Especially in maintaining verbal commitments once the sale is made.
The beef of many poasters isn't the process but the target market. CP artificially restricts the target market and thereby places a self-imposed upper limit on his success.
The other beef is more recently he seems to be taking one of his most important customer bases (in state) for granted. The concern is that these customers could feel slighted by other customers receiving preferential treatment. This is even more concerning since extremely fast growth is forecasted for this segment of the market in 2020 and 2021. -
Petersen's "process" is effective because he can deliver the goods. Evident from Boise and now at Washington.
Not everyone can do that.
See: Willie Taggart, Sark, that UCLA guy ...
Taggart can connect with "fast strategy" kids or identify with the Black experience ... but development and success is still more than questionable.
Petersen is White as White can be ... but he's successful and even the fast strategy kids can see that ... getting them to sign on the dotted line is harder than it looks because it takes alot to overcome inertia for a FS kid to say "fuck it, this white dude is successful, I see it in the team record the last few years, I see it in the draft ... i'm going to Washington even though Slick Willie "resonates" with my blackness more ..."
Petersen has taken steps to rectify this without selling out totally ... hiring Will Harris as the 10th coach (and as backup for when Lake leaves), sticking with Malloe who resonates with the Poly recruits etc ... keeping Keith B ... it's a tricky balance between slow and fast strategy coaching players.
Petersen has also tried to massage the message to disguise the fast versus slow strategy approach. He says stuff like "recruits who want to play football versus recruits who want to be recruited ..." or "you want to be recruited or you want to be developed?" ...
Petersen doesn't want a recruit to think "yeah, this white coach loves my ability but he's fighting against my fast strategy roots ..." Petersen wants to appeal to the family who can see the long game and provide the influence over their kid ... -
Fucking Chinsightful!FremontTroll said:Great post and new perspective on a process we are pretty familiar with at this point.
There isn't any dispute that CP's recruiting process is effective. Especially in maintaining verbal commitments once the sale is made.
The beef of many poasters isn't the process but the target market. CP artificially restricts the target market and thereby places a self-imposed upper limit on his success.
The other beef is more recently he seems to be taking one of his most important customer bases (in state) for granted. The concern is that these customers could feel slighted by other customers receiving preferential treatment. This is even more concerning since extremely fast growth is forecasted for this segment of the market in 2020 and 2021. -
Depends on what your expectations are for Washington ... there are a lot of kids in-state ... how many of them a) fit the elite check mark plus b) are a good match for the program?
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Tons of them. The biggest recruit in the history of the state is probably Smalls.Tequilla said:Depends on what your expectations are for Washington ... there are a lot of kids in-state ... how many of them a) fit the elite check mark plus b) are a good match for the program?
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Smalls is bigger than PA? Bigger than Reggie? I think he's in that same class but I have a hard time seeing him as clearly above those guys.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tons of them. The biggest recruit in the history of the state is probably Smalls.Tequilla said:Depends on what your expectations are for Washington ... there are a lot of kids in-state ... how many of them a) fit the elite check mark plus b) are a good match for the program?
Great embedded Biggie Smalls sentence, though -
Dude Savy is at one of the premier positions in football. He's a rare human that knows how to play.dnc said:
Smalls is bigger than PA? Bigger than Reggie? I think he's in that same class but I have a hard time seeing him as clearly above those guys.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tons of them. The biggest recruit in the history of the state is probably Smalls.Tequilla said:Depends on what your expectations are for Washington ... there are a lot of kids in-state ... how many of them a) fit the elite check mark plus b) are a good match for the program?
Great embedded Biggie Smalls sentence, though -
I know it's hard for someone born in 2002 to imagine but in 1999 running back was considered "one of the premier positions in football" and Paul ARnold was a "rare human that knows how to play."backthepack said:
Dude Savy is at one of the premier positions in football. He's a rare human that knows how to play.dnc said:
Smalls is bigger than PA? Bigger than Reggie? I think he's in that same class but I have a hard time seeing him as clearly above those guys.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tons of them. The biggest recruit in the history of the state is probably Smalls.Tequilla said:Depends on what your expectations are for Washington ... there are a lot of kids in-state ... how many of them a) fit the elite check mark plus b) are a good match for the program?
Great embedded Biggie Smalls sentence, though
I'm not knocking Smalls at all, just saying I don't see him as a bigger recruit than PA or RW. All three were the very best in the country at what they did. Brock Huard may or may not be at that level as well, he was Gatorade National POY which seemed like a bfd at the tim but then Kasen Williams was as well and he was clearly a big drop below the other guys as we're discussing as a recruit so I don't know on Brock. -
He's the #1 player in the country, looks as big as Suh, and crazy athletic. I stand with Dennis.dnc said:
I know it's hard for someone born in 2002 to imagine but in 1999 running back was considered "one of the premier positions in football" and Paul ARnold was a "rare human that knows how to play."backthepack said:
Dude Savy is at one of the premier positions in football. He's a rare human that knows how to play.dnc said:
Smalls is bigger than PA? Bigger than Reggie? I think he's in that same class but I have a hard time seeing him as clearly above those guys.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tons of them. The biggest recruit in the history of the state is probably Smalls.Tequilla said:Depends on what your expectations are for Washington ... there are a lot of kids in-state ... how many of them a) fit the elite check mark plus b) are a good match for the program?
Great embedded Biggie Smalls sentence, though
I'm not knocking Smalls at all, just saying I don't see him as a bigger recruit than PA or RW. All three were the very best in the country at what they did. Brock Huard may or may not be at that level as well, he was Gatorade National POY which seemed like a bfd at the tim but then Kasen Williams was as well and he was clearly a big drop below the other guys as we're discussing as a recruit so I don't know on Brock. -
And yet no one's actually ranked him #1 yet.backthepack said:
He's the #1 player in the country, looks as big as Suh, and crazy athletic. I stand with Dennis.dnc said:
I know it's hard for someone born in 2002 to imagine but in 1999 running back was considered "one of the premier positions in football" and Paul ARnold was a "rare human that knows how to play."backthepack said:
Dude Savy is at one of the premier positions in football. He's a rare human that knows how to play.dnc said:
Smalls is bigger than PA? Bigger than Reggie? I think he's in that same class but I have a hard time seeing him as clearly above those guys.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tons of them. The biggest recruit in the history of the state is probably Smalls.Tequilla said:Depends on what your expectations are for Washington ... there are a lot of kids in-state ... how many of them a) fit the elite check mark plus b) are a good match for the program?
Great embedded Biggie Smalls sentence, though
I'm not knocking Smalls at all, just saying I don't see him as a bigger recruit than PA or RW. All three were the very best in the country at what they did. Brock Huard may or may not be at that level as well, he was Gatorade National POY which seemed like a bfd at the tim but then Kasen Williams was as well and he was clearly a big drop below the other guys as we're discussing as a recruit so I don't know on Brock.
He's fucking great. We need to get him.
All those things were true about RW and PA as well. -
Careful!backthepack said:
He's the #1 player in the country, looks as big as Suh, and crazy athletic. I stand with Dennis.dnc said:
I know it's hard for someone born in 2002 to imagine but in 1999 running back was considered "one of the premier positions in football" and Paul ARnold was a "rare human that knows how to play."backthepack said:
Dude Savy is at one of the premier positions in football. He's a rare human that knows how to play.dnc said:
Smalls is bigger than PA? Bigger than Reggie? I think he's in that same class but I have a hard time seeing him as clearly above those guys.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tons of them. The biggest recruit in the history of the state is probably Smalls.Tequilla said:Depends on what your expectations are for Washington ... there are a lot of kids in-state ... how many of them a) fit the elite check mark plus b) are a good match for the program?
Great embedded Biggie Smalls sentence, though
I'm not knocking Smalls at all, just saying I don't see him as a bigger recruit than PA or RW. All three were the very best in the country at what they did. Brock Huard may or may not be at that level as well, he was Gatorade National POY which seemed like a bfd at the tim but then Kasen Williams was as well and he was clearly a big drop below the other guys as we're discussing as a recruit so I don't know on Brock. -
If only Petersen could pull in local talent like Taylor Rapp, Trey and Kaleb, Salvon, Kyler and Jacob Sirmon we’d be looking really good. Clearly he hates the state of Washington and all of the talent that lies within its borders. Such a shame that such a smart coach doesn’t understand the importance of local talent. Too bad really. If only he could develop these guys maybe we’d have a chance vs Oregon!
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Ready?
Have high standards.
Don’t bullshit yourself into thinking that we’re winning when we’re losing.
Evaluate off whether we are looking more like Bama/Clemson or less like them.
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He's the biggest recruit I've seen in 25 years. Definitely bigger than PA and Reggie. Only Brock or Skinny would compare. A guy that is a consensus top 5 player in the country?dnc said:
Smalls is bigger than PA? Bigger than Reggie? I think he's in that same class but I have a hard time seeing him as clearly above those guys.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tons of them. The biggest recruit in the history of the state is probably Smalls.Tequilla said:Depends on what your expectations are for Washington ... there are a lot of kids in-state ... how many of them a) fit the elite check mark plus b) are a good match for the program?
Great embedded Biggie Smalls sentence, though
PA and RW were not that. -
That’s exactly what Paul and Reggie were, where the fuck have you been?Dennis_DeYoung said:
He's the biggest recruit I've seen in 25 years. Definitely bigger than PA and Reggie. Only Brock or Skinny would compare. A guy that is a consensus top 5 player in the country?dnc said:
Smalls is bigger than PA? Bigger than Reggie? I think he's in that same class but I have a hard time seeing him as clearly above those guys.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tons of them. The biggest recruit in the history of the state is probably Smalls.Tequilla said:Depends on what your expectations are for Washington ... there are a lot of kids in-state ... how many of them a) fit the elite check mark plus b) are a good match for the program?
Great embedded Biggie Smalls sentence, though
PA and RW were not that. -
What the fuck are you talking about?dnc said:
That’s exactly what Paul and Reggie were, where the fuck have you been?Dennis_DeYoung said:
He's the biggest recruit I've seen in 25 years. Definitely bigger than PA and Reggie. Only Brock or Skinny would compare. A guy that is a consensus top 5 player in the country?dnc said:
Smalls is bigger than PA? Bigger than Reggie? I think he's in that same class but I have a hard time seeing him as clearly above those guys.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Tons of them. The biggest recruit in the history of the state is probably Smalls.Tequilla said:Depends on what your expectations are for Washington ... there are a lot of kids in-state ... how many of them a) fit the elite check mark plus b) are a good match for the program?
Great embedded Biggie Smalls sentence, though
PA and RW were not that.
Paul Arnold (at the end of his career) was probably a top 40 player. Reggie was in the top 15 range, sure.
Skinny and Brock were debatably the #1 players in their class. Smalls could be the #1 player in his class.
Also - if you didn't mention Skinny you really don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Don't be an idiot and confuse people who dragged their recruitment out and committed late with great players. -
So, I went back and looked - Reggie was ranked 7th by Rivals. Paul Arnold was the #5 RB in the country - around 30th overall.
FUCK OFF.
Also - Jake Eason was #4 overall for 247. -
In composite:
Skinny was #5
Fozzy was #5
Max Browne was #11
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I guarantee Reggie was higher than that on Scout (or Insiders if if was still called that). I was in college at the time and ate, slept and breathed that bullshit.Dennis_DeYoung said:So, I went back and looked - Reggie was ranked 7th by Rivals. Paul Arnold was the #5 RB in the country - around 30th overall.
FUCK OFF.
Also - Jake Eason was #4 overall for 247.
What system did you use for Arnold? 1998 rankings are hard as fuck to find. He was the #1 RB and top 5 overall in the class going into his senior year on Insiders. I may not have followed the ranking to the end.
Eason was 7 on Rivals, same as Reggie. 13 on ESPN (which sucks, I know).
Fozzy's a good call, he's right there with those guys. -
And since you seem to love the 247 composite, Reggie was #4 - higher than Skinny.
It only goes back to 00 so no ranking for PA available. -
Going back to 2000, here's the top 15 kids from the state of Washington by 247 composite:
01 - Reggie (4)
05 - Snoop (12)
06 - Mays (11) (Schilling was 43 and Locker 59 that year)
13 - Browne (11)
16 - Eason (5)
17 - Sarrell (5)
20 - Smalls (3)
So out of 21 classes in the database the state placed 7 in the top 15, 4 in the top 5 (including Smalls).
As of right now Smalls is the highest rated in state recruit of the Composite Era, but only by one spot over Reggie and anyone rated that highly is much more likely to drop than move up.
I feel safe saying Smalls is the same caliber recruit as Reggie (and really Fozzy and Skinny) but not higher caliber.
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And to finish the quad shitpoast, Shaq and Reggie are the only kids UW signed at that level - (both #4).
Of six in state top 15 composite kids in the 19 classes that have signed, UW has signed only one. The first and highest ranked of them all, but still. That's fucking embarrassing. -
aids is strong in this thread
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I wonder if DNC had killer Cinco de Mayo plans that just got completely derailed by pulling up old recruiting rankings for this thread
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Swaye and I like to call it Cinco de Guyo, but our citrus festivities never begin until the sun goes down, so I didn't miss a thing.DoogCourics said:I wonder if DNC had killer Cinco de Mayo plans that just got completely derailed by pulling up old recruiting rankings for this thread
Ole!
