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Follow up to my tweet on P12 recruiting vs. NFL Draft

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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,259
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    The USC data is super damning and will only get worse under Helton

    Did anybody else catch the coaching dig during the draft when talking about how Darnold showed minimal improvement from Year 1 and 2 and how much he will be coached up quickly at the NFL level?

    You think Helton's worse at developing players than Sark/Kiffen?
    Yes

    And moreso, I think the area where there is going to be an even bigger gap is that Helton’s recruiting will gradually start falling off in part as we get stronger. The fact that Helton’s group is largely super lazy by offering guys we offer immediately after we offer them isn’t a good look
    I’m mostly with you on recruiting. I don’t think he’s any worse of a developer than his post Carroll predecessors though.
    Darnold’s regression isn’t a good look

    The next 2-3 years will be telling

    If he’s an absolute disaster he will get fired ... so I’m hoping he’s at least moderately competent. The longer Helton holds the SC job the better for UW
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 116,027 Founders Club
    Helton has one more year. USC may fuck up the hires but they fire fast
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,543 Swaye's Wigwam
    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    The USC data is super damning and will only get worse under Helton

    Did anybody else catch the coaching dig during the draft when talking about how Darnold showed minimal improvement from Year 1 and 2 and how much he will be coached up quickly at the NFL level?

    You think Helton's worse at developing players than Sark/Kiffen?
    Yes

    And moreso, I think the area where there is going to be an even bigger gap is that Helton’s recruiting will gradually start falling off in part as we get stronger. The fact that Helton’s group is largely super lazy by offering guys we offer immediately after we offer them isn’t a good look
    I’m mostly with you on recruiting. I don’t think he’s any worse of a developer than his post Carroll predecessors though.
    Darnold’s regression isn’t a good look

    The next 2-3 years will be telling

    If he’s an absolute disaster he will get fired ... so I’m hoping he’s at least moderately competent. The longer Helton holds the SC job the better for UW
    I doubt any QB would feel negative about Darnold. He went #3.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,259

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    The USC data is super damning and will only get worse under Helton

    Did anybody else catch the coaching dig during the draft when talking about how Darnold showed minimal improvement from Year 1 and 2 and how much he will be coached up quickly at the NFL level?

    You think Helton's worse at developing players than Sark/Kiffen?
    Yes

    And moreso, I think the area where there is going to be an even bigger gap is that Helton’s recruiting will gradually start falling off in part as we get stronger. The fact that Helton’s group is largely super lazy by offering guys we offer immediately after we offer them isn’t a good look
    I’m mostly with you on recruiting. I don’t think he’s any worse of a developer than his post Carroll predecessors though.
    Darnold’s regression isn’t a good look

    The next 2-3 years will be telling

    If he’s an absolute disaster he will get fired ... so I’m hoping he’s at least moderately competent. The longer Helton holds the SC job the better for UW
    I doubt any QB would feel negative about Darnold. He went #3.
    Not saying the #3 is a good look ... saying that the criticism of the staff isn’t a good look
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,259

    Helton has one more year. USC may fuck up the hires but they fire fast

    Been there 2 years and has a Rose Bowl, conference title, and 2 BCS games ... they aren’t firing him any time soon

    The sneaking in element for him is ideal for UW
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 116,027 Founders Club
  • AIRWOLF
    AIRWOLF Member Posts: 1,840




    The Pirate may be insane but he clearly works.

    Meanwhile, UCLA is still where Blue Chips go to become Charmin soft.

    Oh and water is wet.
    Leach is one of the best at getting good results out of sub-standard raw materials. No way to say whether he could get great results out of better raw materials, because he has never had the chance to prove it.

    Oklahoma won a MNC using the Air Raid, but it was a year after Leach left and the Air Raid was still relatively new and different back then.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,778
    I was surprised that USC didn't fire Helton on the 50 after the bowl game loss.