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Follow up to my tweet on P12 recruiting vs. NFL Draft

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  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,886
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    The USC data is super damning and will only get worse under Helton

    Did anybody else catch the coaching dig during the draft when talking about how Darnold showed minimal improvement from Year 1 and 2 and how much he will be coached up quickly at the NFL level?

    You think Helton's worse at developing players than Sark/Kiffen?
    Yes

    And moreso, I think the area where there is going to be an even bigger gap is that Helton’s recruiting will gradually start falling off in part as we get stronger. The fact that Helton’s group is largely super lazy by offering guys we offer immediately after we offer them isn’t a good look
    I’m mostly with you on recruiting. I don’t think he’s any worse of a developer than his post Carroll predecessors though.
    Darnold’s regression isn’t a good look

    The next 2-3 years will be telling

    If he’s an absolute disaster he will get fired ... so I’m hoping he’s at least moderately competent. The longer Helton holds the SC job the better for UW
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,005 Founders Club
    Helton has one more year. USC may fuck up the hires but they fire fast
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    The USC data is super damning and will only get worse under Helton

    Did anybody else catch the coaching dig during the draft when talking about how Darnold showed minimal improvement from Year 1 and 2 and how much he will be coached up quickly at the NFL level?

    You think Helton's worse at developing players than Sark/Kiffen?
    Yes

    And moreso, I think the area where there is going to be an even bigger gap is that Helton’s recruiting will gradually start falling off in part as we get stronger. The fact that Helton’s group is largely super lazy by offering guys we offer immediately after we offer them isn’t a good look
    I’m mostly with you on recruiting. I don’t think he’s any worse of a developer than his post Carroll predecessors though.
    Darnold’s regression isn’t a good look

    The next 2-3 years will be telling

    If he’s an absolute disaster he will get fired ... so I’m hoping he’s at least moderately competent. The longer Helton holds the SC job the better for UW
    I doubt any QB would feel negative about Darnold. He went #3.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,886

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    The USC data is super damning and will only get worse under Helton

    Did anybody else catch the coaching dig during the draft when talking about how Darnold showed minimal improvement from Year 1 and 2 and how much he will be coached up quickly at the NFL level?

    You think Helton's worse at developing players than Sark/Kiffen?
    Yes

    And moreso, I think the area where there is going to be an even bigger gap is that Helton’s recruiting will gradually start falling off in part as we get stronger. The fact that Helton’s group is largely super lazy by offering guys we offer immediately after we offer them isn’t a good look
    I’m mostly with you on recruiting. I don’t think he’s any worse of a developer than his post Carroll predecessors though.
    Darnold’s regression isn’t a good look

    The next 2-3 years will be telling

    If he’s an absolute disaster he will get fired ... so I’m hoping he’s at least moderately competent. The longer Helton holds the SC job the better for UW
    I doubt any QB would feel negative about Darnold. He went #3.
    Not saying the #3 is a good look ... saying that the criticism of the staff isn’t a good look
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,886

    Helton has one more year. USC may fuck up the hires but they fire fast

    Been there 2 years and has a Rose Bowl, conference title, and 2 BCS games ... they aren’t firing him any time soon

    The sneaking in element for him is ideal for UW
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,005 Founders Club
  • AIRWOLFAIRWOLF Member Posts: 1,840




    The Pirate may be insane but he clearly works.

    Meanwhile, UCLA is still where Blue Chips go to become Charmin soft.

    Oh and water is wet.
    Leach is one of the best at getting good results out of sub-standard raw materials. No way to say whether he could get great results out of better raw materials, because he has never had the chance to prove it.

    Oklahoma won a MNC using the Air Raid, but it was a year after Leach left and the Air Raid was still relatively new and different back then.
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 37,286 Founders Club
    I was surprised that USC didn't fire Helton on the 50 after the bowl game loss.
  • FireCohenFireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    AIRWOLF said:




    The Pirate may be insane but he clearly works.

    Meanwhile, UCLA is still where Blue Chips go to become Charmin soft.

    Oh and water is wet.
    Leach is one of the best at getting good results out of sub-standard raw materials. No way to say whether he could get great results out of better raw materials, because he has never had the chance to prove it.

    Oklahoma won a MNC using the Air Raid, but it was a year after Leach left and the Air Raid was still relatively new and different back then.
    Leach at USC might do some fucking damage
  • FireCohenFireCohen Member Posts: 21,823

    AIRWOLF said:




    The Pirate may be insane but he clearly works.

    Meanwhile, UCLA is still where Blue Chips go to become Charmin soft.

    Oh and water is wet.
    Leach is one of the best at getting good results out of sub-standard raw materials. No way to say whether he could get great results out of better raw materials, because he has never had the chance to prove it.

    Oklahoma won a MNC using the Air Raid, but it was a year after Leach left and the Air Raid was still relatively new and different back then.
    Leach at USC might do some fucking damage
    I think he would win more that he would lose lol
  • AIRWOLFAIRWOLF Member Posts: 1,840
    edited May 2018
    dnc said:

    AIRWOLF said:




    The Pirate may be insane but he clearly works.

    Meanwhile, UCLA is still where Blue Chips go to become Charmin soft.

    Oh and water is wet.
    Leach is one of the best at getting good results out of sub-standard raw materials. No way to say whether he could get great results out of better raw materials, because he has never had the chance to prove it.

    Oklahoma won a MNC using the Air Raid, but it was a year after Leach left and the Air Raid was still relatively new and different back then.
    Leach at USC might do some fucking damage
    He’d be a disaster there
    A competently run Air Raid offense (with some balance) would be great there. As for Leach running that program as the coach/CEO...


  • DoogCouricsDoogCourics Member Posts: 5,739
    https://mobile.twitter.com/UWAthletics/status/991103054828130304

    Added because I like the way it looks.

    I’m also surprised Oregon has just 1 per year, because I heard they have more active players in the NFL. Made me think they’ve been churning them out.

    Huh.... weird...
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