Follow up to my tweet on P12 recruiting vs. NFL Draft
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Dennis_DeYoung said:
This is for the 8 years from 2008-2015 that could have produced draft eligible players for these drafts.
1st/2nd Round NFL Draft Picks over past 5 Seasons (with avg conf recruiting rank; avg 247 rating, 5* signed, 4* signed).
1. Washington - 12 (5.9; 85.2; 1, 38)
2. USC - 9 (1.3; 92.3; 20, 92)
3. UCLA - 8 (3.0; 88.6; 6, 78)
4. Stanford - 6 (5.1; 87.6; 3, 45)
5. Oregon - 4 (3.9; 87.4; 5, 57)
5. Utah - 4 (8.8; 84.2; 0, 12)
7. Colorado - 3 (9.4; 83.2; 1, 13)
8. WSU - 1 (10.6; 82.2; 0, 3)
9. OSU - 1 (9.8; 83.2; 1, 5)
10. ASU - 1 (6.0; 85.2; 1, 29)
11. Cal - 1 (6.1; 86.2; 1, 42)
12. Arizona - 0 (8.3; 84.0; 0, 17)
So for ratios...
UW had a 1st/2nd rounder for every 3.25 blue chips.
USC - 12.4
UCLA - 10.5
Stanford - 8
Oregon - 15.5
Utah - 3
Colorado - 4.7
WSU - 3
OSU - 6
ASU - 30
Cal - 43
Arizona - Div/0 error
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I usually use Top 3 rounds, since it is basically the Top 100 players and round numbers are handy. But if you look at the charts of average Approximate Value by draft slot, the quality of picks drops off very steeply from the top pick right down to somewhere between pick 50 & 75, where things start to level out. In other words, there is some evidence that the top two rounds is actually a pretty good way to look at things and not really about being selective to shape a narrative.dnc said:
Agreed, fun with selective endpoints for surewhlinder said:I like this and it gives me a massive doog boner.
I am curious about the 2nd round delineation though. Either way it will be interesting, but the data could be totally different if that moves to the 3rd round, or 5th, or the whole draft, etc.
And no, I'm not going to do the work myself cause fuck that. -
It’s just what the West Coast CFB dude did; but we are going to come out aces no matter how you slice it.
Next year I imagine we will have the following guys drafted:
Gaskin, Sample, Trey, Kaleb, Gaines, Johnson, Bartlett, Miller, Murphy, Rapp. JoJo will probably sign with someone.
I suspect some of our guys next year might be third rounders and that could look extra good for us... Gaines, McGary, Gaskin. Jaylen is an intriguing kid if he can stay healthy.
Can Tevis ball out at a more natural position for him?
Maybe BBK and Chico will get drafted!!! loljk -
And fast strategyHoustonHusky said:McGary will go higher than people think...the guy is freaky athletic.
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BBK day one pick imo
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Still waiting for the part where you say we are FUCKED
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GRONK!Dennis_DeYoung said:
Arizona - Div/0 error
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Yesdnc said:
You think Helton's worse at developing players than Sark/Kiffen?Tequilla said:The USC data is super damning and will only get worse under Helton
Did anybody else catch the coaching dig during the draft when talking about how Darnold showed minimal improvement from Year 1 and 2 and how much he will be coached up quickly at the NFL level?
And moreso, I think the area where there is going to be an even bigger gap is that Helton’s recruiting will gradually start falling off in part as we get stronger. The fact that Helton’s group is largely super lazy by offering guys we offer immediately after we offer them isn’t a good look -
Too bad Peterman will never be able to develop talent like Whittingham and LeachDennis_DeYoung said:
UW had a 1st/2nd rounder for every 3.25 blue chips.
Utah - 3
WSU - 3 -
I’m mostly with you on recruiting. I don’t think he’s any worse of a developer than his post Carroll predecessors though.Tequilla said:
Yesdnc said:
You think Helton's worse at developing players than Sark/Kiffen?Tequilla said:The USC data is super damning and will only get worse under Helton
Did anybody else catch the coaching dig during the draft when talking about how Darnold showed minimal improvement from Year 1 and 2 and how much he will be coached up quickly at the NFL level?
And moreso, I think the area where there is going to be an even bigger gap is that Helton’s recruiting will gradually start falling off in part as we get stronger. The fact that Helton’s group is largely super lazy by offering guys we offer immediately after we offer them isn’t a good look
