DDY Fast Strategy White Head Coach Hall of Fame
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That, and he choked in big games like no other elite coach I can think of off the top of my head. PLUS, his all-time teem cemented their legacy against a soft as fuck Florida defense. That was the game that got Bob Stoops to Florida, when dummy finally realized that you can't out-score everyone. The Gayters had a few good years on the D side of the ball there while Bob was in Gaynesville.RaceBannon said:Osborne was actually who I meant when I put McCartney in honorable mention as a white coach who went to the fast side to win a title. Osborne is the poster boy for that
He could go 11-2 in his sleep with roided out white boys but he had to go fast strategy to beat the Florida schools and Oklahoma
He doesn't make the mount because he just did it at the end like our own Don James
I want to see that '95 team go up against a '91 Washington/'86 Miami/'94 FSU - type defense. Speshul ones that had the speed to go sideline to sideline with anyone, and also punch anyone right in the fucking mouth for trying to go right at them. You take away the I back option from Nebraska, or even slow it down, and you have essentially sent them home, even with Tommie Frazier, who did it better than anyone I've ever seen do it. Nobody was playing D at that level in '95 that I recall. -
It would be chinteresting no doubt, but it wasn't like the '95 NEB team just beat Florida. They fucking donkey punched them by like 40 pts.creepycoug said:
That, and he choked in big games like no other elite coach I can think of off the top of my head. PLUS, his all-time teem cemented their legacy against a soft as fuck Florida defense. That was the game that got Bob Stoops to Florida, when dummy finally realized that you can't out-score everyone. The Gayters had a few good years on the D side of the ball there while Bob was in Gaynesville.
I want to see that '95 team go up against a '91 Washington/'86 Miami/'94 FSU - type defense. Speshul ones that had the speed to go sideline to sideline with anyone, and also punch anyone right in the fucking mouth for trying to go right at them. You take away the I back option from Nebraska, or even slow it down, and you have essentially sent them home, even with Tommie Frazier, who did it better than anyone I've ever seen do it. Nobody was playing D at that level in '95 that I recall.
3 x 12-0 seasons in 4 years is as good as coaching gets. And he finally got his win over the Canes in Miami.
Pete needs to become classy AF fast strategy.
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Pup's right about the Weasel. He was as Fast Strat as ya get.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Dont even know where you were going with this race. Sorry but for lack of a better word this is stupid.
Hey I'm race I watched college football back in the day like Pup and 2, but what are u fucking talking about?
BTW, Rick won a rose bowl. This program really needed one. Kiffin doesnt belong in same sentence. The legends you speak of were great coaches but just ain't seeing point of post...but what a new?
If you need any more cross references, I'd start here.
http://www.seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/victoryandruins/
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Barely. Miami had no O line in '94. If they were that great they would have punched in a little moar.YellowSnow said:
It would be chinteresting no doubt, but it wasn't like the '95 NEB team just beat Florida. They fucking donkey punched them by like 40 pts.
3 x 12-0 seasons in 4 years is as good as coaching gets. And he finally got his win over the Canes in Miami.
Pete needs to become classy AF fast strategy.
You will find me to be quite begrudging of Nebraska. Almost, but not quite, irrationally so.
Fuck those guysm.
Yes, I know. It's easy to donkey punch a team that shows up without a defense.
I note that my kewgs gave that '95 team a little bit of a fight. kinda sorta. -
Rick made the opening paragraph for the Rose Bowl but his body of work really kind of suckedsalemcoog said:
Pup's right about the Weasel. He was as Fast Strat as ya get.
If you need any more cross references, I'd start here.
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Imagine what could have been if we fired him after 8-4 in 2003. 8 wins is just not good enough at Washington god damn it.RaceBannon said:
Rick made the opening paragraph for the Rose Bowl but his body of work really kind of sucked -
Classics thread.
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So here's a question @RaceBannon , the Mount Rushmore of Progroms as per DFI is Alabama, Ohio State, USC and Notre Dame, correct?. When does Notre Dame get removed? In era this where it's pretty damn near impossible to win a natty without enough Fast Strategy players is Notre Dame pretty much dead? I know they've had guys like the Bus who were Fast Strategy in days of yore and I'll admit I don't pay attention to their recruiting other than to say they aren't winning.
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Notre Dame is fucked because they have a bumbling mid-west aww shucks guy in charge.YellowSnow said:So here's a question @RaceBannon , the Mount Rushmore of Progroms as per DFI is Alabama, Ohio State, USC and Notre Dame, correct?. When does Notre Dame get removed? In era this where it's pretty damn near impossible to win a natty without enough Fast Strategy players is Notre Dame pretty much dead? I know they've had guys like the Bus who were Fast Strategy in days of yore and I'll admit I don't pay attention to their recruiting other than to say they aren't winning.
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10 years ago ... at least.YellowSnow said:So here's a question @RaceBannon , the Mount Rushmore of Progroms as per DFI is Alabama, Ohio State, USC and Notre Dame, correct?. When does Notre Dame get removed? In era this where it's pretty damn near impossible to win a natty without enough Fast Strategy players is Notre Dame pretty much dead? I know they've had guys like the Bus who were Fast Strategy in days of yore and I'll admit I don't pay attention to their recruiting other than to say they aren't winning.
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Brian Kelly is a shit coach and many other things, but I've never seen him described as a bumbling 'aww shucks' guy. In fact I think that's the polar opposite of what he is.backthepack said:
Notre Dame is fucked because they have a bumbling mid-west aww shucks guy in charge.
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Notre Dame should be sand blasted off but not so those fucking frauds at Michigan can replace themYellowSnow said:So here's a question @RaceBannon , the Mount Rushmore of Progroms as per DFI is Alabama, Ohio State, USC and Notre Dame, correct?. When does Notre Dame get removed? In era this where it's pretty damn near impossible to win a natty without enough Fast Strategy players is Notre Dame pretty much dead? I know they've had guys like the Bus who were Fast Strategy in days of yore and I'll admit I don't pay attention to their recruiting other than to say they aren't winning.
I'll stick with the first three. Miami gets real SERIOUS consideration for that last 35 years. FSU too. It looks like a Florida school could replace them
USC is on the clock too by the way. Pete Carroll saved them for now
One thing SC, OSU, and Bama have going is 10 decades of winning. -
Yeah, the Catholics one once against the Convicts in the 80's but Miami still pretty much killed off Notre Dame football for all intents and purposes.creepycoug said:
10 years ago ... at least. -
BC in 1993 killed off ND more than anything, although 3rd and 43 against Miami in '89 must have stung.
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I just came.Gladstone said:BC in 1993 killed off ND more than anything, although 3rd and 43 against Miami in '89 must have stung.
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We will all be dust before the shine of the current Bama run fades. Fucking ridiculous what Saban has done there.RaceBannon said:
Notre Dame should be sand blasted off but not so those fucking frauds at Michigan can replace them
I'll stick with the first three. Miami gets real SERIOUS consideration for that last 35 years. FSU too. It looks like a Florida school could replace them
USC is on the clock too by the way. Pete Carroll saved them for now
One thing SC, OSU, and Bama have going is 10 decades of winning. -
Meyer has done it at two schools (UF and OSU), notwithstanding his undefeated run in year 2 at Utah. I wonder where in the pantheon of white FS coaches he'd rank if he got another tier 1 school a national championship. He famously called ND his dream job, if he went there and resurrected them into a 'ship would he rank in the top 3 all-time? How many coaches have won titles at three separate power five schools? None?
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If Urbs won a Natty for the Catholics, then he is GOAT in the modern era, even if Saban retired with more overall.Gladstone said:Meyer has done it at two schools (UF and OSU), notwithstanding his undefeated run in year 2 at Utah. I wonder where in the pantheon of white FS coaches he'd rank if he got another tier 1 school a national championship. He famously called ND his dream job, if he went there and resurrected them into a 'ship would he rank in the top 3 all-time? How many coaches have won titles at three separate power five schools? None?
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Yes. Meyer is a money coach. I cannot recall a single coach other than Meyer and Saban who has done it at even two. The vast majority of even really good coaches either fail at their next gig, or they make a respectable showing but never quite reach the heights of their previous gig. Think Spurrier and Holtz, each at South Carolina. Butch Davis at North Carolina. Saban and Meyer are far and away the exception to the rule.Gladstone said:Meyer has done it at two schools (UF and OSU), notwithstanding his undefeated run in year 2 at Utah. I wonder where in the pantheon of white FS coaches he'd rank if he got another tier 1 school a national championship. He famously called ND his dream job, if he went there and resurrected them into a 'ship would he rank in the top 3 all-time? How many coaches have won titles at three separate power five schools? None?
If Meyer ever made himself available again, he could break the bank. The guy just wins wherever he goes. I hope and pray he never coaches at Notre Dame. If he does, it will mean that he negotiated the serious academis requirement to his suiting. You can't make everyone take calculus and have a good football team. Even Stanford doesn't do that. -
No. He is the opposite of bumbling. I thought he was going to bust a valve at Cincy. Dood is fucking intense.Gladstone said:
Brian Kelly is a shit coach and many other things, but I've never seen him described as a bumbling 'aww shucks' guy. In fact I think that's the polar opposite of what he is.
I've actually been somewhat surprised that he his stint at ND hasn't gone a little better than it has. I suppose they had the 2013 BCS, and there's no shame in losing to Bamers, but still. ND has a lot of built-in advantages for the right coach to exploit. -
I don't think anyone on this bored wants to see Meyer at Catholic U.creepycoug said:
Yes. Meyer is a money coach. I cannot recall a single coach other than Meyer and Saban who has done it at even two. The vast majority of even really good coaches either fail at their next gig, or they make a respectable showing but never quite reach the heights of their previous gig. Think Spurrier and Holtz, each at South Carolina. Butch Davis at North Carolina. Saban and Meyer are far and away the exception to the rule.
If Meyer ever made himself available again, he could break the bank. The guy just wins wherever he goes. I hope and pray he never coaches at Notre Dame. If he does, it will mean that he negotiated the serious academis requirement to his suiting. You can't make everyone take calculus and have a good football team. Even Stanford doesn't do that. -
Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer both got it.
In America - not to get too weird - there is a "seemingly" massive distinction between being poor white trash and a "ghetto" black kid.
The truth is, fast strategy people have a lot of the same priorities and ideas - even though in the US we don't share the same culture across 'race' lines.
However, the smart coaches that saw beyond that shit were like, 'wait, I completely relate to these kids'. If you watch Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer at their height it was the same thing.
They instinctively knew the shit that would hit home, once they translated it from one cultural context to another.
That's the reason Dabo hits. Because he has that instinct. He knows. He's a FS fucker and he gets the core aspects to those kids.
Tom Osborne, Pete, DJ, etc - they have a hard time, so it's easy for them to get a bunch of criminals, because to them, all FS kids seem the same. 'I don't know, I guess they all are drug dealing gun-runners. Fine, I want to win. Beating women is a cultural difference, I guess!'
But, Coaches like Johnson really got it. 'We are the underdogs that NOGAF about. No one did our homework for us or petitioned our fucking teachers when we got an 88.5 so we could stretch that to an A' - that's all white people shit.
They get that.
If Pete could grasp that, we would be the best program in the history of the Pac-12.
The only other choice is to be so fucking competitive you don't GAF (Saban) about anything other than winning, or just a good coach at USC which is the easiest job in the history of college football (Carroll). -
All true. What Jimmy realized is exactly the way you said it: poor white trash in bumblefuck texas involves some degree of alienation from the power structure. Also, even if there are differences between that and the experience of blick inner city youth, and there no doubt is, when you are on the same side of the tracks opposite an arrogant and smug elitist like Tad Foote, who has no use for either of you, you fucking bond. That is why the players loved him so much. He didn't try to be one of them ... he had the hair spray and all that shit ... they knew he wasn't ghetto, but they knew and believed that he identified with them to one degree or another, and for a poor black kid in Coral Cables in the 1980s, that was more than enough.Dennis_DeYoung said:Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer both got it.
In America - not to get too weird - there is a "seemingly" massive distinction between being poor white trash and a "ghetto" black kid.
The truth is, fast strategy people have a lot of the same priorities and ideas - even though in the US we don't share the same culture across 'race' lines.
However, the smart coaches that saw beyond that shit were like, 'wait, I completely relate to these kids'. If you watch Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer at their height it was the same thing.
They instinctively knew the shit that would hit home, once they translated it from one cultural context to another.
That's the reason Dabo hits. Because he has that instinct. He knows. He's a FS fucker and he gets the core aspects to those kids.
Tom Osborne, Pete, DJ, etc - they have a hard time, so it's easy for them to get a bunch of criminals, because to them, all FS kids seem the same. 'I don't know, I guess they all are drug dealing gun-runners. Fine, I want to win. Beating women is a cultural difference, I guess!'
But, Coaches like Johnson really got it. 'We are the underdogs that NOGAF about. No one did our homework for us or petitioned our fucking teachers when we got an 88.5 so we could stretch that to an A' - that's all white people shit.
They get that.
If Pete could grasp that, we would be the best program in the history of the Pac-12.
The only other choice is to be so fucking competitive you don't GAF (Saban) about anything other than winning, or just a good coach at USC which is the easiest job in the history of college football (Carroll).
Also, Jimmy was a fucking competitive maniac, and they liked that about him too. He legitimately hated Notre Dame and Lou Holtz for the same reasons: it's the man and I like to win, especially against the man. He recalled to his team how offended America and Brent Musberger were at the '85 blood letting, but also reminded them that ND's record book is full of more lopsided wins against helpless opponents and their hypocrisy knows no bounds. The last thing he told them before leaving Miami, which he reports to this day as the hardest thing he ever did, was to kick ND's ass to avenge the bullshit '88 game. And he meant it.
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creepycoug said:
No. He is the opposite of bumbling. I thought he was going to bust a valve at Cincy. Dood is fucking intense.
I've actually been somewhat surprised that he his stint at ND hasn't gone a little better than it has. I suppose they had the 2013 BCS, and there's no shame in losing to Bamers, but still. ND has a lot of built-in advantages for the right coach to exploit.
Excellent points. Lou Holtz got ND to agree to the Prop 48 which directly lead to players like Zorich and Tony Rice (indirectly leading to the MNC). Players who never in a million years would have qualified for ND football scholarship admissions. ND famously dropped their support for Prop 48 and forced Lou out in the 90s (Lou himself says BC '93 broke his heart so much that it took him years to recover).creepycoug said:
Yes. Meyer is a money coach. I cannot recall a single coach other than Meyer and Saban who has done it at even two. The vast majority of even really good coaches either fail at their next gig, or they make a respectable showing but never quite reach the heights of their previous gig. Think Spurrier and Holtz, each at South Carolina. Butch Davis at North Carolina. Saban and Meyer are far and away the exception to the rule.
If Meyer ever made himself available again, he could break the bank. The guy just wins wherever he goes. I hope and pray he never coaches at Notre Dame. If he does, it will mean that he negotiated the serious academis requirement to his suiting. You can't make everyone take calculus and have a good football team. Even Stanford doesn't do that.
Like any other tier 1 school, ND is always a coach away. There were tons of narratives in the mid 2000s that population shifts in the midwest had made Big Ten prestige untenable. Enter Urban at OSU. Oops. I also am surprised Kelly hasn't had much success:
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8-5
12-1
9-4
8-5
10-3
4-8
10-3
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People forget that the poor white trash's ancestors were the first slaves- indentured servitude.Dennis_DeYoung said:Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer both got it.
In America - not to get too weird - there is a "seemingly" massive distinction between being poor white trash and a "ghetto" black kid.
The truth is, fast strategy people have a lot of the same priorities and ideas - even though in the US we don't share the same culture across 'race' lines.
However, the smart coaches that saw beyond that shit were like, 'wait, I completely relate to these kids'. If you watch Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer at their height it was the same thing.
They instinctively knew the shit that would hit home, once they translated it from one cultural context to another.
That's the reason Dabo hits. Because he has that instinct. He knows. He's a FS fucker and he gets the core aspects to those kids.
Tom Osborne, Pete, DJ, etc - they have a hard time, so it's easy for them to get a bunch of criminals, because to them, all FS kids seem the same. 'I don't know, I guess they all are drug dealing gun-runners. Fine, I want to win. Beating women is a cultural difference, I guess!'
But, Coaches like Johnson really got it. 'We are the underdogs that NOGAF about. No one did our homework for us or petitioned our fucking teachers when we got an 88.5 so we could stretch that to an A' - that's all white people shit.
They get that.
If Pete could grasp that, we would be the best program in the history of the Pac-12.
The only other choice is to be so fucking competitive you don't GAF (Saban) about anything other than winning, or just a good coach at USC which is the easiest job in the history of college football (Carroll). -
If He did that......Gladstone said:Meyer has done it at two schools (UF and OSU), notwithstanding his undefeated run in year 2 at Utah. I wonder where in the pantheon of white FS coaches he'd rank if he got another tier 1 school a national championship. He famously called ND his dream job, if he went there and resurrected them into a 'ship would he rank in the top 3 all-time? How many coaches have won titles at three separate power five schools? None?
Da GOAT and I don't care if Saban wins 9 more.
It's HAF to win nattys at 2 diff schools like those 2 have.
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You were nails and POTW material before you went all fucking doog with the next to last paragraph in your sentence.Dennis_DeYoung said:Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer both got it.
In America - not to get too weird - there is a "seemingly" massive distinction between being poor white trash and a "ghetto" black kid.
The truth is, fast strategy people have a lot of the same priorities and ideas - even though in the US we don't share the same culture across 'race' lines.
However, the smart coaches that saw beyond that shit were like, 'wait, I completely relate to these kids'. If you watch Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer at their height it was the same thing.
They instinctively knew the shit that would hit home, once they translated it from one cultural context to another.
That's the reason Dabo hits. Because he has that instinct. He knows. He's a FS fucker and he gets the core aspects to those kids.
Tom Osborne, Pete, DJ, etc - they have a hard time, so it's easy for them to get a bunch of criminals, because to them, all FS kids seem the same. 'I don't know, I guess they all are drug dealing gun-runners. Fine, I want to win. Beating women is a cultural difference, I guess!'
But, Coaches like Johnson really got it. 'We are the underdogs that NOGAF about. No one did our homework for us or petitioned our fucking teachers when we got an 88.5 so we could stretch that to an A' - that's all white people shit.
They get that.
If Pete could grasp that, we would be the best program in the history of the Pac-12.
The only other choice is to be so fucking competitive you don't GAF (Saban) about anything other than winning, or just a good coach at USC which is the easiest job in the history of college football (Carroll).
You guys could certainly win a Natty at some time. But you don't have the infrastructure nor the sizzle to make a 2000's SC run. Not without Pilfering the likes of a Meyer or Saban anyway. -
salemcoog said:
If He did that......
Da GOAT and I don't care if Saban wins 9 more.
It's HAF to win nattys at 2 diff schools like those . have.
But to do it at 3 different schools????
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Southern poor whites and blacks are both country like Jimmy and Barry were. It works
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I disagree. I'm not even being a Doog. If we continue on this recruiting trajectory upward and it snowballs like Clemson's has, we will be really hard to beat.salemcoog said:
You were nails and POTW material before you went all fucking doog with the next to last paragraph in your sentence.
You guys could certainly win a Natty at some time. But you don't have the infrastructure nor the sizzle to make a 2000's SC run. Not without Pilfering the likes of a Meyer or Saban anyway.
Pete is a master at making teams difficult to beat. And that's with b-rate talent. If somehow we get talent throughout our whole roster we are going to be a bitch to deal with.
But, I'm not sure Pete has it in him.
