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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,804 Standard Supporter
    Mosster47 said:

    Here is some reality;

    I grew up in about as remote of a place as possible in the US. I'm almost 35 years old. Everyone owned guns, multiple guns. Ever people that didn't care about guns owned guns. There were still gun nuts/hoarders. I was way into gun. I knew every type of gun out there and the specs on it.

    I saw two "assault rifles" in someone's possession my whole upbringing shooting guns on almost a daily basis. No one owned them. Why would they? They are fucking useless to the common man. They aren't nearly as accurate as a bolt gun unless you add so much shit to them they weight 10+lbs. They are useless for hunting birds. The home protection thing is a joke. Give me a Mossberg 590 in close quarters with a normal 8 shot quail load every time. If I miss you lose a limb at best. Then of course a revolver for a side arm. They don't fail. A small number of assault rifles were at gun shows and that was it.

    Fast forward to today and all those broke loggers have more money in their gun safes than they do in everything else they have combined. I say gun safes because most have more than one. Your kid eats free and reduced lunched but you have two Liberty Fat Boys and you tell me you can't afford to go buy a drink?

    I ask them what the fuck they need all these crazy ass guns for and they tell me it's because Obama was going to take their guns away. No one needed or much cared for an AR twenty five years ago now ever mother fucker with a GED and a bad job needs one for every member of the family? Grandstanding about freedom so you can go shoot cans? They use their bolt guns and shotguns to hunt still, like normal people.

    Fox News got too good at scaring stupid white people. That's the long and short of this. Now there are WMD's on every corner and people are using them. Why wouldn't they? You give out opiods like Pez and people abuse them. The same goes for death machines with 50 round magazines.

    They became popular because the way it works is all of the military men returning from the middle east wars buy what they used in battle. This same thing happened with bolt action rifles. Up until world war one Americans weapon of choice was the lever action rifle. Hell Winchester has sold more than 6 million model 1894's alone. They were the Klashnikov of the 19th century.

    After WWI the returning soldiers had used the 1903 Springfield or the 1917 Enfield in 30-06. From that point on bolt actions became the most popular hunting arms. Lever guns were and still are popular but they lacked the range and precision of the bolt gun.

    WWII came along and while bolt actions served in the war the primary arm was the M1 Garand still chambered for the same 30-06 cartridge. The M1 Carbine and Browning BAR also cam along and semi-auto rifles became much more popular. The M1 carbine was ubiquitous from the 1950's until today. It's fully automatic variant was really one of the first "assault rifles" (FYI assault rifles are fully auto not this BS tag applied by democrats to semi-auto rifles). Semi-autos became much more popular in civilian life with many new models produced to cater to that demand.

    The M14 rifle came along in the 1957 chambered for the 7.62 NATO round which is simply a shortened 30-06 giving equivalent ballistics. The M14 was also selective fire but the recoil in fully automatic fire is basically uncontrollable and most M14's had selector locks limiting them to semi-auto fire.

    The M16 has been in service since 1964. Returning Vietnam vets and later Gulf wars vets wanted a civilian version. Of course these were semi-auto and not a selective fire weapon like the M16 which is an assault rifle being capable of full-auto fire. The AR15/M16/M4 are chambered for the 5.56mm cartridge, A pipsqueak compared to our former full powered service cartridges.

    The AR15 is the most popular rifle in the United States. They can rival bolt actions for accuracy but the cartridge is not legal to hunt deer in many states. They are used in several forms of competitive shooting.

    Handguns went through the same process. The 1911 pistol is still one of the most popular handguns in the world with virtually every manufacturer now making them.

    That's why and how many firearms attained their popularity.

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    You push the lefts agenda. That is the lefts agenda. Confiscation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzDO86iSKWU
    Name more than one person who is a legislator with any actual power who is calling to confiscate guns.
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,994 Founders Club
    edited February 2018
    2001400ex said:

    Name more than one person who is a legislator with any actual power who is calling to confiscate guns.
    The DNC isn't paying @DerekJohnson for you to spam the board. Just you.

    Pay up or fuck off.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    The DNC isn't paying @DerekJohnson for you to spam the board. Just you.

    Pay up or fuck off.
    Didn't think you had a name.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,804 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Name more than one person who is a legislator with any actual power who is calling to confiscate guns.
    The DNC.

    Schumer, Bloomberg, Obama, Clinton's, Sanders, Boxer and Pelosi to name a few, and any politician touting Australia's gun confiscation would make the list.

    Australia didn't have a history of that kind of event this was an anomaly. They've had murders of multiple people but nothing on that scale. So pointing out this law a s a success is a bit dubious. They have had multiple arson attacks that had pretty good body counts.

    Your boss George Soros but he simply owns politicians that do his bidding.

    I don't know why your're complaining, Your guy had both houses and got nothing done but he complains too.......

    I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.”

    President Barack Obama, during conversation with economist and author John Lott Jr. at the University of Chicago Law School in the 1990s

    “We cannot let a minority of people—and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people—hold a viewpoint that terrorizes the majority of people.”

    Hillary Clinton

    “If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government’s ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.”

    President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993

    Even Ghandi knew gun control sucks!

    “Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.”
    – Mahatma Gandhi
  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    Sledog said:

    They became popular because the way it works is all of the military men returning from the middle east wars buy what they used in battle. This same thing happened with bolt action rifles. Up until world war one Americans weapon of choice was the lever action rifle. Hell Winchester has sold more than 6 million model 1894's alone. They were the Klashnikov of the 19th century.

    After WWI the returning soldiers had used the 1903 Springfield or the 1917 Enfield in 30-06. From that point on bolt actions became the most popular hunting arms. Lever guns were and still are popular but they lacked the range and precision of the bolt gun.

    WWII came along and while bolt actions served in the war the primary arm was the M1 Garand still chambered for the same 30-06 cartridge. The M1 Carbine and Browning BAR also cam along and semi-auto rifles became much more popular. The M1 carbine was ubiquitous from the 1950's until today. It's fully automatic variant was really one of the first "assault rifles" (FYI assault rifles are fully auto not this BS tag applied by democrats to semi-auto rifles). Semi-autos became much more popular in civilian life with many new models produced to cater to that demand.

    The M14 rifle came along in the 1957 chambered for the 7.62 NATO round which is simply a shortened 30-06 giving equivalent ballistics. The M14 was also selective fire but the recoil in fully automatic fire is basically uncontrollable and most M14's had selector locks limiting them to semi-auto fire.

    The M16 has been in service since 1964. Returning Vietnam vets and later Gulf wars vets wanted a civilian version. Of course these were semi-auto and not a selective fire weapon like the M16 which is an assault rifle being capable of full-auto fire. The AR15/M16/M4 are chambered for the 5.56mm cartridge, A pipsqueak compared to our former full powered service cartridges.

    The AR15 is the most popular rifle in the United States. They can rival bolt actions for accuracy but the cartridge is not legal to hunt deer in many states. They are used in several forms of competitive shooting.

    Handguns went through the same process. The 1911 pistol is still one of the most popular handguns in the world with virtually every manufacturer now making them.

    That's why and how many firearms attained their popularity.

    Cute. Out of all the poor day laborers that I know that are loaded up with automatic weapons, which is a huge number, none served.

    I've discussed this with tons of service members I've either worked with or by chance and the overwhelming majority are pro gun, antI WMD. The two I can think of with your double down constitution nonsense are exactly what you are thinking. Duck Dynasty beards, hate brown people, and mentally peaked in 7th grade.

    Also ownership of something doesn't mean you agree with more of if. I have guitars with Brazilian Rosewood fretboards, but I don't think we should be raping the rainforest for it still. I've owned an AR and sold it after a few months because I'm not fake hard and they are useless.

    Sledoog if you mention CITES I will literally come through your computer and fuck your face.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,895 Founders Club
    Mosster47 said:

    Cute. Out of all the poor day laborers that I know that are loaded up with automatic weapons, which is a huge number, none served.

    I've discussed this with tons of service members I've either worked with or by chance and the overwhelming majority are pro gun, antI WMD. The two I can think of with your double down constitution nonsense are exactly what you are thinking. Duck Dynasty beards, hate brown people, and mentally peaked in 7th grade.

    Also ownership of something doesn't mean you agree with more of if. I have guitars with Brazilian Rosewood fretboards, but I don't think we should be raping the rainforest for it still. I've owned an AR and sold it after a few months because I'm not fake hard and they are useless.

    Sledoog if you mention CITES I will literally come through your computer and fuck your face.
    Save the rain forests! Bolt on necks with maple fret boards or GTFO!
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,838
    salemcoog said:

    Good message.







    WRONG MESSENGER.
    Dumb.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Mosster47 said:

    Cute. Out of all the poor day laborers that I know that are loaded up with automatic weapons, which is a huge number, none served.

    I've discussed this with tons of service members I've either worked with or by chance and the overwhelming majority are pro gun, antI WMD. The two I can think of with your double down constitution nonsense are exactly what you are thinking. Duck Dynasty beards, hate brown people, and mentally peaked in 7th grade.

    Also ownership of something doesn't mean you agree with more of if. I have guitars with Brazilian Rosewood fretboards, but I don't think we should be raping the rainforest for it still. I've owned an AR and sold it after a few months because I'm not fake hard and they are useless.

    Sledoog if you mention CITES I will literally come through your computer and fuck your face.
    Unlicensed machine gun possession, you should report them. See Something, Say Something.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,896

    Exhibit Z-10002-a20-489372.

    - even if a box of rocks calls you a dumb fuck, it still means you're being called a dumb fuck. dumb fuck.

    - nobody every said you don't know your guns. that wasn't, at all, the point. surprise.
    That's some deep academis shit there Creep.


    Your parents, the State and Federal Government should be knocking down the door on your Adobe asking for their money back. with interest in your arrears.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,838
    salemcoog said:

    That's some deep academis shit there Creep.


    Your parents, the State and Federal Government should be knocking down the door on your Adobe asking for their money back. with interest in your arrears.
    Dumb




    and Ghey.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,804 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2018
    Mosster47 said:

    Cute. Out of all the poor day laborers that I know that are loaded up with automatic weapons, which is a huge number, none served.

    I've discussed this with tons of service members I've either worked with or by chance and the overwhelming majority are pro gun, antI WMD. The two I can think of with your double down constitution nonsense are exactly what you are thinking. Duck Dynasty beards, hate brown people, and mentally peaked in 7th grade.

    Also ownership of something doesn't mean you agree with more of if. I have guitars with Brazilian Rosewood fretboards, but I don't think we should be raping the rainforest for it still. I've owned an AR and sold it after a few months because I'm not fake hard and they are useless.

    Sledoog if you mention CITES I will literally come through your computer and fuck your face.
    Figured you for a queer! CITES is bullshit so queer on.
  • WilburHooksHandsWilburHooksHands Member Posts: 6,804
    Sledog said:

    Figured you for a queer!
    ARMALITE TUFF
  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246

    Save the rain forests! Bolt on necks with maple fret boards or GTFO!
    Why do you hate Madagascar and East India?
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