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Guns or Liberty?

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  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    edited February 2018
    Sledog said:

    The Heller decision was a few years ago. The constitution is not to be reinterpreted. It's meant as it's written. It is not an evolving doctrine.
    So if I like my slaves, I can keep them?
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    doogie said:


    Here’s what the Florida Teacher of he Year has to say about it



    Okay, I’ll be the bad guy and say what no one else is brave enough to say, but wants to say. I’ll take all the criticism and attacks from everyone because you know what? I’m a TEACHER. I live this life daily. And I wouldn’t do anything else! But I also know daily I could end up in an active shooter situation.

    Until we, as a country, are willing to get serious and talk about mental health issues, lack of available care for the mental health issues, lack of discipline in the home, horrendous lack of parental support when the schools are trying to control horrible behavior at school (oh no! Not MY KID. What did YOU do to cause my kid to react that way?), lack of moral values, and yes, I’ll say it-violent video games that take away all sensitivity to ANY compassion for others’ lives, as well as reality TV that makes it commonplace for people to constantly scream up in each others’ faces and not value any other person but themselves, we will have a gun problem in school. Our kids don’t understand the permanency of death anymore!!!

    I grew up with guns. Everyone knows that. But you know what? My parents NEVER supported any bad behavior from me. I was terrified of doing something bad at school, as I would have not had a life until I corrected the problem and straightened my ass out. My parents invaded my life. They knew where I was ALL the time. They made me have a curfew. They made me wake them up when I got home. They made me respect their rules. They had full control of their house, and at any time could and would go through every inch of my bedroom, backpack, pockets, anything! Parents: it’s time to STEP UP! Be the parent that actually gives a crap! Be the annoying mom that pries and knows what your kid is doing. STOP being their friend. They have enough “friends” at school. Be their parent. Being the “cool mom” means not a damn thing when either your kid is dead or your kid kills other people because they were allowed to have their space and privacy in YOUR HOME. I’ll say it again. My home was filled with guns growing up. For God’s sake, my daddy was an 82nd Airborne Ranger who lost half his face serving our country. But you know what? I never dreamed of shooting anyone with his guns. I never dreamed of taking one! I was taught respect for human life, compassion, rules, common decency, and most of all, I was taught that until I moved out, my life and bedroom wasn’t mine…it was theirs. And they were going to know what was happening because they loved me and wanted the best for me.

    There. Say that I’m a horrible person. I didn’t bring up gun control, and I will refuse to debate it with anyone. This post wasn’t about gun control. This was me, loving the crap out of people and wanting the best for them. This was about my school babies and knowing that God created each one for greatness, and just wanting them to reach their futures. It’s about 20 years ago this year I started my teaching career. Violence was not this bad 20 years ago. Lack of compassion wasn’t this bad 20 years ago. And God knows 20 years ago that I wasn’t afraid daily to call a parent because I KNEW that 9 out of 10 would cuss me out, tell me to go to Hell, call the news on me, call the school board on me, or post all over FaceBook about me because I called to let them know what their child chose to do at school…because they are a NORMAL kid!!!!!

    Those 17 lives mattered. When are we going to take our own responsibility seriously?


  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,994 Standard Supporter
    Blackie said:

    there are far less shootings now than there were in the 80s and 90s
    Let me just point out to the statistically impaired and retarded that this statement is utterly invalid and wrong without defining the time period that constitutes "now."

    We are so fucked.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,540 Standard Supporter

    So if I like my slaves, I can keep them?
    Just your doctor.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I'll say this one more time: It's not likely to prevent shootings, but is very likely to limit the damage and save lives. If you don't get it by now, you never will.
    Just like better background checks and limiting magazine size would reduce the number of deaths.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,994 Standard Supporter

    So if I like my slaves, I can keep them?
    If it isn't slavery, it's Hitler. If it isn't Hitler, it's slavery.
    If it isn't racism, it's Naziism. If it isn't Naziism, it's racism.
    If it isn't the slave owner, it's the institution of slavery. If it isn't the institution of slavery, it's the slave-owner.

    What about the 3000 black slave owners in the U.S.? Were they honorable men caught up in a sinister institution? Or were they just assholes, like the white slave owners?
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    So if I like my slaves, I can keep them?
    *amended
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,994 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Just like better background checks and limiting magazine size would reduce the number of deaths.
    Perhaps you missed my endorsement of both before your knee jerked.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,994 Standard Supporter

    So if I like my slaves, I can keep them?

    Oh, you meant something completely different. My bad.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,823

    If it isn't slavery, it's Hitler. If it isn't Hitler, it's slavery.
    If it isn't racism, it's Naziism. If it isn't Naziism, it's racism.
    If it isn't the slave owner, it's the institution of slavery. If it isn't the institution of slavery, it's the slave-owner.

    What about the 3000 black slave owners in the U.S.? Were they honorable men caught up in a sinister institution?
    Or were they just assholes, like the white slave owners?
    Most of them "owned" a husband, wife or child because the only way to get them out of slavery was to purchase them. They weren't actually enslaving their people by purchasing them, they were rescuing them.

    But yeah, there were some Fast Strategy bruthas who owned other FSB's. Those guys were assholes.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,994 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    Most of them "owned" a husband, wife or child because the only way to get them out of slavery was to purchase them. They weren't actually enslaving their people by purchasing them, they were rescuing them.

    But yeah, there were some Fast Strategy bruthas who owned other FSB's. Those guys were assholes.
    @Dennis_DeYoung: Your genie is out of your bottle.
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,040
    2001400ex said:

    What happens when they see your and sledog posts on here and determines you mentally unfit to possess a fun. And take your guns away. How do you feel about mental health then?

    BTW, she's wrong on violent crime 20 years ago and she's a pussy if she can't handle a parent that's pissed because she's a bitch.
    Of course she is. In her defense, 20 years ago she didn't have the internets and social media showing her all the violent crime shit that was going on. And it's nothing new for older folk to bitch about moral decay of youth compared to when We Were Young; Socrates was complaining about the youth of Athens 2400 years ago.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,540 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2018
    2001400ex said:

    What happens when they see your and sledog posts on here and determines you mentally unfit to possess a fun. And take your guns away. How do you feel about mental health then?

    BTW, she's wrong on violent crime 20 years ago and she's a pussy if she can't handle a parent that's pissed because she's a bitch.
    Hondo has gone full libtard. Little chance of that Hondo. I'm good in all 50 states. Of course since I disagree with a liberal I must be crazy. Surprised you didn't call me a racist too. Is getting your ass whipped on the boreds really causing you to come unhinged or is it that time of the month? Maybe you forgot to pay your Saul Alinsky fan club dues and they took back your commie decoder ring. Whatever it is get over it, all this vaginal bleeding is gross and hard to look at.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,676 Founders Club
    Blackie said:

    If you're serious about eliminating the threat at schools as much as possible (and you're not removing every last gun in existence because duh that's never happening), you lock down every school. Entry is only gained through entrances with some metal detectors or similar and armed security at those entrances. All other doors are exit-only. Granted, you create a target-rich environment at the line of kids waiting to get into the school.

    Banning --enter scary looking type of gun here--, limiting magazine size, requiring full background/mental illness checks for gun purchases, increasing waiting periods, whatever other feel-good criteria that suits your virtue-signalling fancy is not going to stop the attacks.
    Smartest guy in the room right here.
  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    Blackie said:

    If you're serious about eliminating the threat at schools as much as possible (and you're not removing every last gun in existence because duh that's never happening), you lock down every school. Entry is only gained through entrances with some metal detectors or similar and armed security at those entrances. All other doors are exit-only. Granted, you create a target-rich environment at the line of kids waiting to get into the school.

    Banning --enter scary looking type of gun here--, limiting magazine size, requiring full background/mental illness checks for gun purchases, increasing waiting periods, whatever other feel-good criteria that suits your virtue-signalling fancy is not going to stop the attacks.
    Are sub 18 year old people the only ones that matter?

    Roseburg was a college. Do we metal detect colleges too? I'm sure ASU and their 90k+ students would love that fiasco.

    Vegas was an outdoor concert. The church shootings, San Bernadino was an office party, etc. etc.

    The gun nuts and NRA are fighting a losing battle like with civil rights. The younger generations have less and less to do with guns in a recreational/hunting sense and see them more as WMD's. They've had two decades to come up with a sensible plan that benefits all parties involved and instead they've taken the Sledoog double down retard approach. The Boomers are all gone in ten years and the crazy right wing goes with it.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,793 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    The yearly gun control debate on HH. I wait with much anticipation for this thread every year.

    You mean to say the weekly debate.
  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246

    So if I like my slaves, I can keep them?
    Funny story, I did my ancestor thing earlier this month and I traced us back pre-America to Virginia so, we aren't immigrants, we are founders, and we owned a fuck ton of slaves. I found some of the county records of farms and registered slaves on them. We had them in Viginia, we had 640 acres and 21 slaves in Tennessee, etc.

    Having said that, my great great great grandpa who owned those 21 slaves had one son who fought for the Union, so there you have it. Not racist!
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 46,155 Standard Supporter
    Mosster47 said:

    Funny story, I did my ancestor thing earlier this month and I traced us back pre-America to Virginia so, we aren't immigrants, we are founders, and we owned a fuck ton of slaves. I found some of the county records of farms and registered slaves on them. We had them in Viginia, we had 640 acres and 21 slaves in Tennessee, etc.

    Having said that, my great great great grandpa who owned those 21 slaves had one son who fought for the Union, so there you have it. Not racist!
    Or maybe the kid was a spy for the Confederacy.

    Still racist. Pay your reparations.

    The Throbber's ancestors were non-slave owning irish mick laborers. Send me some money, too. Bitcoin. Encrypted. No trace.

    TIA



  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,964 Founders Club

    Using the rise of The Third Reich in a discussion about 2nd Amendment Rights is one heck of a lousy historical analogy to make. Fascist dictatorship took hold in Germany because the country had no track record of successful democratic intuitions in its history. It didn't have anything to do with who owned guns or did not.
    The poont is that our democratic republic is still fragile evidenced by the two fucktards nominated to run. The Third Reich took rights from it's citizenry a little at a time - and never gave them back.

    We must ensure a viable, pragmatic way of saying fuck off. Look what happened when the first BLM (Bureau of Land Management) picked a fight with a few hundred armed cowboys.

    The people's will reigned.
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