JIMMY LAKE DC, KWAT CO-DC
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Patterson at asu this year.RoadDawg55 said:K probably moves right back to DC after the year. I doubt this arrangement lasts longer than a year, two tops.
Strange move. Maybe K is one of those guys that misses having a small group to coach. I’ve heard coaches talk about missing being a position coach.
Just weird. I can’t recall a coordinator of the top defense in the conference (for 2 straight years, possibly 3?) getting demoted.
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DawgsAllDay36 said:
The alternative to this move was losing Jimmy Lake entirely. If you're not with it you're FS. JL's recruiting prowess can now be diversified across the D. And Kwat is still on staff for the long term. I love the move.
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Thank you Mrs LakeDawgsAllDay36 said:The alternative to this move was losing Jimmy Lake entirely. If you're not with it you're FS. JL's recruiting prowess can now be diversified across the D. And Kwat is still on staff for the long term. I love the move.
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53 seconds, biotch!dnc said:DawgsAllDay36 said:The alternative to this move was losing Jimmy Lake entirely. If you're not with it you're FS. JL's recruiting prowess can now be diversified across the D. And Kwat is still on staff for the long term. I love the move.
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I try and look for the positive in everything.dnc said:
Of all the possible positions to take on this move, "Kwat deserved the demotion" is clearly the most sensible. Kudos to you and @Haie on that.HuskyJW said:
Maybe he knows how to stop someone on 3rd down in "big" games?dnc said:
The danger is if this doesn’t work well and Lake doesn’t get hired away, then what do you do? Would Pete demote Lake? Would Lake accept a demotion?RoadDawg55 said:K probably moves right back to DC after the year. I doubt this arrangement lasts longer than a year, two tops.
Strange move. Maybe K is one of those guys that misses having a small group to coach. I’ve heard coaches talk about missing being a position coach.
Just weird. I can’t recall a coordinator of the top defense in the conference (for 2 straight years, possibly 3?) getting demoted.
Best case scenario is Lake crushes it and gets hired away in the next 24 months. If that doesn’t happen... *shudder*. -
Pros:
-We keep Lake on staff.
Cons:
-Our best position coach is no longer a position coach.
-One of the best DC's in the country is no longer the DC.
-Our best recruiter now has more responsibility in game planning and our worst recruiter has more responsibility recruiting.
Hopefully Lake can help with recruiting more positions than DB, but who knows how that will go. It still seems like a somewhat awkward move because I doubt Lake feels like he is in complete control of the defense and that is probably something most DC's covet. I agree this is a 1-2 year move. 81% chance this works out until it doesn't.
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Perfect summationdawgs206 said:Pros:
-We keep Lake on staff.
Cons:
-Our best position coach is no longer a position coach.
-One of the best DC's in the country is no longer the DC.
-Our best recruiter now has more responsibility in game planning and our worst recruiter has more responsibility recruiting. -
Have you seen the coaching carousel lately? Fucking dreck and double dreck. Lake will be gone in 1-2 years unless this defense takes yuuuuge steps backwards and then falls into a ditch.dnc said:
The danger is if this doesn’t work well and Lake doesn’t get hired away, then what do you do? Would Pete demote Lake? Would Lake accept a demotion?RoadDawg55 said:K probably moves right back to DC after the year. I doubt this arrangement lasts longer than a year, two tops.
Strange move. Maybe K is one of those guys that misses having a small group to coach. I’ve heard coaches talk about missing being a position coach.
Just weird. I can’t recall a coordinator of the top defense in the conference (for 2 straight years, possibly 3?) getting demoted.
Best case scenario is Lake crushes it and gets hired away in the next 24 months. If that doesn’t happen... *shudder*. -
Get a fucking avatar.DawgsAllDay36 said:The alternative to this move was losing Jimmy Lake entirely. If you're not with it you're FS. JL's recruiting prowess can now be diversified across the D. And Kwat is still on staff for the long term. I love the move.
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I’m sorry but talent matters. It felt just like the Stanford game that Kwat called; couldn’t get off the field and picking on midget miles all day long. I agree it was a poor defensive showing and l love the lake promotion. I think Kwat has been grooming him for years. I don’t see a significant drop off at all. It will help us bc we’ll be able to attract more talent with our best recruiter as DC imo.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Bullshit. Penn State was what, 14/15 against us on third down? That was some shit playcalling, and it's a little telling that it wasn't Kwat dialing those up. I think it's a great hire, but let's not kid ourselves, that was a shit defensive effort.pat_hm said:
If Miles Bryant weren't forced into depth then two of those touchdowns don't happen. I think the scheme was fine. This will help us in recruiting too.HoustonHusky said:Sounds good and I love me some Jimmy, but if he was calling plays in the Fiesta Bowel there might be a learning curve here...
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I think it’s time Lake gives Smalls a phone call
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Obligatory were Dawgs1-205 already spoken for?! Otherwise, spot on take... this move is really puzzling to me too. Taking playcalling away from Kwat, something by any objective measure he's excelled at, and giving him more time to recruit, something by any objective measure he's failed at, is curious.dawgs206 said:Pros:
-We keep Lake on staff.
Cons:
-Our best position coach is no longer a position coach.
-One of the best DC's in the country is no longer the DC.
-Our best recruiter now has more responsibility in game planning and our worst recruiter has more responsibility recruiting.
Hopefully Lake can help with recruiting more positions than DB, but who knows how that will go. It still seems like a somewhat awkward move because I doubt Lake feels like he is in complete control of the defense and that is probably something most DC's covet. I agree this is a 1-2 year move. 81% chance this works out until it doesn't.
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I hope the LinkedIn theory, in that nothing internally is actually going to change, is what's going on. Doesn't seem like something Pete would do though.
This is bad. -
Damn guys who the fuck knows the reason behind it or what practical differences it even makes? Quit worrying your pretty little heads about it.
But...my guess is they mutually agreed on a change of titles and there won't be much if any changes to how calls are made in game. -
The only real positive change from my standpoint is that Lake can now recruit DLs and DEs (even though we don’t play DEs). He now has legitimate oversight over these positions.dawgs206 said:Pros:
-We keep Lake on staff.
Cons:
-Our best position coach is no longer a position coach.
-One of the best DC's in the country is no longer the DC.
-Our best recruiter now has more responsibility in game planning and our worst recruiter has more responsibility recruiting.
Hopefully Lake can help with recruiting more positions than DB, but who knows how that will go. It still seems like a somewhat awkward move because I doubt Lake feels like he is in complete control of the defense and that is probably something most DC's covet. I agree this is a 1-2 year move. 81% chance this works out until it doesn't.
We’ve been making fun of Kwiatkowski’s recruiting for months. Now he has some help. We just celebrated Bush Hamden coming back to UW in part because he is a great recruiter. Are we also afraid he’ll be too consumed with game-planning?
Lake recruiting ALL positions is a benefit. Otherwise this seems like a one-year reprieve from the inevitable - Lake leaving. -
Saban wanted him as his DC nuff said.dnc said:There's a lot more ways for this to go badly than to go well.
Really hard to imagine it making us better. -
Komo 4?RhythmicSlappingDawg said:
Saban wanted him as his DC nuff said.dnc said:There's a lot more ways for this to go badly than to go well.
Really hard to imagine it making us better.
Also, Sark is a great OC. Being an alcoholic has nothing to do with his intelligence or talent as a game planner and play caller. He's good enough for Alabama and the Falcons. I think the opinions of the people who made the decision to hire him hold a little more weight than yours.
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If true, I’m surprised Lake turned that down. I can’t remember an Alabama DV that didn’t get a good head coaching job.RhythmicSlappingDawg said:
Saban wanted him as his DC nuff said.dnc said:There's a lot more ways for this to go badly than to go well.
Really hard to imagine it making us better. -
Saban shitcanned him after one game. He was never going to be the Bama OC in 17, he was a placeholder. Saban isn't completely FS. Dan Quinn is though. That speaks volumes.dnc said:
Komo 4?RhythmicSlappingDawg said:
Saban wanted him as his DC nuff said.dnc said:There's a lot more ways for this to go badly than to go well.
Really hard to imagine it making us better.
Also, Sark is a great OC. Being an alcoholic has nothing to do with his intelligence or talent as a game planner and play caller. He's good enough for Alabama and the Falcons. I think the opinions of the people who made the decision to hire him hold a little more weight than yours. -
Also, the defense is Saban's baby. He NOGAF about the offense and leaves them alone but the defense.dnc said:
Komo 4?RhythmicSlappingDawg said:
Saban wanted him as his DC nuff said.dnc said:There's a lot more ways for this to go badly than to go well.
Really hard to imagine it making us better.
Also, Sark is a great OC. Being an alcoholic has nothing to do with his intelligence or talent as a game planner and play caller. He's good enough for Alabama and the Falcons. I think the opinions of the people who made the decision to hire him hold a little more weight than yours. -
As I tweeted earlier today, the shit show of coaching around college ball works in Pete's favor especially with the salary he can offer. A smart assistant won't be in a hurry to LEAVE for any shit job that opens up. He can stay a build a resume for a GOOD coaching job.
Pete is a stable genius (hi @insinceredawg ) -
I thought Nick Holt was our DC in the Fiesta Bowl.
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The other thing this makes me wonder is with this it makes it a bit more confusing why didn't we go after Gerald Alexander instead of hiring Will Harris. Guessing its either a $ issue (I'm sure Harris will be cheaper), or there is something Pete really likes about Harris.
Either way it will be interesting...and I'm still betting Lake becomes the next Boise State coach when somebody hires Harsin away. -
3. Lake - New Defensive Scheme and a new attitude. Every player has spoke out about the difference between Kawasaki and Lake, we will see a much improved defense on 9/1.
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Is Lake fast strategy? Can he bring in enough fast strategy recruits? Is my post going to be nothing but questions?
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Probably coming from this tweet.dnc said:
Komo 4?RhythmicSlappingDawg said:
Saban wanted him as his DC nuff said.dnc said:There's a lot more ways for this to go badly than to go well.
Really hard to imagine it making us better.
Also, Sark is a great OC. Being an alcoholic has nothing to do with his intelligence or talent as a game planner and play caller. He's good enough for Alabama and the Falcons. I think the opinions of the people who made the decision to hire him hold a little more weight than yours.
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Kwat likely has no aspirations of being a HC. He's hitched his wagon to Petersen and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he went to Pete and said, "Hey, how about we give Jimmy the reins next year? I'll help him out and keep an eye on everything but he's obviously moving up and we don't want to lose him."
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ND made a run at him, tooRoadDawg55 said:
If true, I’m surprised Lake turned that down. I can’t remember an Alabama DV that didn’t get a good head coaching job.RhythmicSlappingDawg said:
Saban wanted him as his DC nuff said.dnc said:There's a lot more ways for this to go badly than to go well.
Really hard to imagine it making us better. -
I really don't think this is that big of a change. First off, Twatkowski is a fucking stud.
But as long as twat is largely in charge of game planning still, I'm not worried. In a good system the coaches come up with a gameplan and by game day the plays are whittled down so much that it's relatively idiot proof. Think Babushka under Tedfurd. Twat will do alittle extra hand holding for a couple years until Lake givesback the title he's been borrowing. -
WhoooooshRhythmicSlappingDawg said:
Saban shitcanned him after one game. He was never going to be the Bama OC in 17, he was a placeholder. Saban isn't completely FS. Dan Quinn is though. That speaks volumes.dnc said:
Komo 4?RhythmicSlappingDawg said:
Saban wanted him as his DC nuff said.dnc said:There's a lot more ways for this to go badly than to go well.
Really hard to imagine it making us better.
Also, Sark is a great OC. Being an alcoholic has nothing to do with his intelligence or talent as a game planner and play caller. He's good enough for Alabama and the Falcons. I think the opinions of the people who made the decision to hire him hold a little more weight than yours.
