Blue State exodus

2001400ex said:

RaceBannon said:

PurpleThrobber said:

2001400ex said:

Tequilla said:

RedRocket said:

doogie said:

The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.

But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.

If you don't think that Washington or Oregon aren't going to have similar problems in 20-30 years when all the liberals that are making a shit ton of money today realize that politicians are coming for their money down the road and decide that being a snow bird living in a state where they aren't going to touch their money ... then I can't fucking help you.

Washington State has the most regressive tax structure in the country.

HTH

Christ. Bookmark this. Hondo and I agree on something totally 100%.

Property taxes and sales taxes should be slashed to 1/3 of present rates. Institute a third leg of revenue in a moderate income tax and abolish the B&O tax completely.

Then institute special tax incentive zones/port districts in places like Spokane and Vancouver and Tri-Cities so businesses will relocate there instead of Oregon/Idaho and watch the motherfucking state take off to the stratosphere.

Hondo doesn't agree with you though

He wants to keep or raise property and sales and gas taxes while adding a punishing income tax and the BO as well

Welcome to the Hotel California

The one thing I have always been proud of Washington voters for is not falling for this ruse.

The reason I moved back to Washington is I'd rather pay 9% of what I spend then 6% of what I earn.

HTH

AZDuck said:

Let's go to the data:

Net Migration

Year ending 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
1. Alabama 5,109 5,798 5,152 1,996 3,874
   
2. Alaska 1,174 -974 -8,200 -5,355 -2,557
   
3. Arizona 45,650 37,820 55,328 63,755 76,405
   
4. Arkansas 2,127 1,541 387 2,506 3,530
   
5. California 78,532 70,149 97,674 70,495 33,530
   
6. Colorado 38,930 45,660 49,443 67,627 60,773
   
7. Connecticut -3,715 -2,400 -10,383 -11,500 -12,822
   
8. Delaware 5,685 5,656 6,409 6,647 5,583
   
9. District of Columbia 9,997 9,665 4,710 7,122 6,392
   
10. Florida 206,039 201,302 257,486 328,772 325,986
    
11. Georgia 40,950 15,254 46,426 58,625 60,612
    
12. Hawaii 5,442 5,991 2,318 1,837 -2,583
    
13. Idaho 1,293 6,244 10,585 8,596 18,869
    
14. Illinois -47,834 -42,196 -66,273 -73,614 -83,210
    
15. Indiana -3,099 9,272 4,002 -4,612 -1,083
    
16. Iowa 668 6,197 6,170 2,752 2,944
    
17. Kansas 1,124 -6,716 -7,163 -6,596 -12,744
    
18. Kentucky 2,868 3,998 1,540 251 3,305
    
19. Louisiana 6,238 4,062 1,449 422 -5,020
    
20. Maine 719 296 2,410 85 3,954
    
21. Maryland 17,329 14,684 9,856 2,566 176
    
22. Massachusetts 26,785 32,251 28,522 19,439 15,292
    
23. Michigan -13,067 -9,437 -3,993 -15,801 -5,328
    
24. Minnesota 3,207 10,176 6,989 1,612 11,882
    
25. Mississippi -3,809 -2,160 -6,390 -10,959 -7,467
    
26. Missouri -4,828 198 558 -722 2,163
    
27. Montana 4,268 6,243 5,328 5,681 7,422
    
28. Nebraska 2,996 3,168 1,907 1,470 2,043
    
29. Nevada 19,802 19,562 30,773 36,103 41,967
    
30. New Hampshire 912 -410 5,007 665 4,362
    
31. New Jersey -3,140 -2,387 -6,167 -15,736 -16,704
    
32. New Mexico -4,487 -8,358 -11,496 -10,769 -7,111
    
33. New York -8,477 -5,525 -43,810 -40,962 -72,889
    
34. North Carolina 54,468 57,116 54,435 63,825 80,078
    
35. North Dakota 12,480 17,950 10,664 11,419 -4,684
    
36. Ohio -20,472 -5,011 766 -11,799 -7,967
    
37. Oklahoma 15,322 19,976 11,380 14,866 2,894
    
38. Oregon 19,221 14,790 30,220 43,082 56,972
    
39. Pennsylvania 11,730 -1,347 -1,535 -10,154 -10,887
    
40. Rhode Island -1,248 -1,294 980 210 419
    
41. South Carolina 32,487 34,167 45,062 53,376 52,844
    
42. South Dakota 5,563 5,786 2,085 643 2,573
    
43. Tennessee 36,677 22,233 32,830 31,783 39,959
    
44. Texas 214,132 194,268 252,592 266,340 217,542
    
45. Utah 4,601 10,952 4,607 14,387 25,412
    
46. Vermont -909 241 -402 -1,264 -1,910
    
47. Virginia 39,548 32,749 13,788 11,406 7,202
    
48. Washington 35,407 36,165 50,252 68,590 91,981
    
49. West Virginia 2,423 -1,494 -3,160 -4,878 -6,583
    
50. Wisconsin -3,077 -911 -1,060 -7,545 -4,405
    
51. Wyoming 5,835 3,012 -2,257 -59 -3,823
    

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/census/state-migration-rates-annual-net-migration-by-state.html

RaceBannon said:

PurpleThrobber said:

2001400ex said:

Tequilla said:

RedRocket said:

doogie said:

The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.

But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.

If you don't think that Washington or Oregon aren't going to have similar problems in 20-30 years when all the liberals that are making a shit ton of money today realize that politicians are coming for their money down the road and decide that being a snow bird living in a state where they aren't going to touch their money ... then I can't fucking help you.

Washington State has the most regressive tax structure in the country.

HTH

Christ. Bookmark this. Hondo and I agree on something totally 100%.

Property taxes and sales taxes should be slashed to 1/3 of present rates. Institute a third leg of revenue in a moderate income tax and abolish the B&O tax completely.

Then institute special tax incentive zones/port districts in places like Spokane and Vancouver and Tri-Cities so businesses will relocate there instead of Oregon/Idaho and watch the motherfucking state take off to the stratosphere.

Hondo doesn't agree with you though

He wants to keep or raise property and sales and gas taxes while adding a punishing income tax and the BO as well

Welcome to the Hotel California

The one thing I have always been proud of Washington voters for is not falling for this ruse.

2001400ex said:

Tequilla said:

RedRocket said:

doogie said:

The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.

But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.

If you don't think that Washington or Oregon aren't going to have similar problems in 20-30 years when all the liberals that are making a shit ton of money today realize that politicians are coming for their money down the road and decide that being a snow bird living in a state where they aren't going to touch their money ... then I can't fucking help you.

Washington State has the most regressive tax structure in the country.

HTH

dflea said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

dflea said:

salemcoog said:

RedRocket said:

salemcoog said:

RedRocket said:

Tequilla said:

RedRocket said:

doogie said:

The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.

But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.

If you don't think that Washington or Oregon aren't going to have similar problems in 20-30 years when all the liberals that are making a shit ton of money today realize that politicians are coming for their money down the road and decide that being a snow bird living in a state where they aren't going to touch their money ... then I can't fucking help you.

Snowbirds would still pay property and sales tax in WA. The rich liberals would have to sell their houses and move entirely but it's not going to happen and it wouldnt matter anyways because there would just be a new post millennial generation that would fill the gap. Only reason this would change is if businesses left WA or OR in droves which I also don't see happening.

Get outta bed before 10 AM.... and then talk about your generation filling those gaps.


Baby steps.

Says the recovering meth addict who clearly rolled out of bed at 9:33.

Yes, Cuz everybody rushes to HH when they get out of bed.

You didn't go to UW to play deductive reasoning now did you?

You didn't go to UW because you're too fucking stupid.

So fuck yourself.

A class is a class. It's not like Maff 121 is going to require more intelligence than the same course at WSU, Portland State or even overrated schools like Stanford. HTH.

You're too fucking stupid to get into UO.

Purple_Pills said:

2001400ex said:

Purple_Pills said:

2001400ex said:

Tequilla said:

RedRocket said:

doogie said:

The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.

But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.

If you don't think that Washington or Oregon aren't going to have similar problems in 20-30 years when all the liberals that are making a shit ton of money today realize that politicians are coming for their money down the road and decide that being a snow bird living in a state where they aren't going to touch their money ... then I can't fucking help you.

Washington State has the most regressive tax structure in the country.

HTH

Disagree. An income tax is very regressive. It hinders lower class wealth building, by design. A wealth tax is the most progressive structure. The problem with a full wealth tax is the cost and ability to track all forms of wealth beyond real estate.

Here in Washington aside from the regressive B&O tax has a pretty good system where we tax consumption aside from certain basic necessities and tax wealth in the form of real estate. Our tax system is why we continue to grow. It also is more stable in times of economic fluctuation. When recession hits WA govt. fares better than our contiguous Pacific coast peers.

Purple_Pills said:

2001400ex said:

Tequilla said:

RedRocket said:

doogie said:

The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.

But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.

If you don't think that Washington or Oregon aren't going to have similar problems in 20-30 years when all the liberals that are making a shit ton of money today realize that politicians are coming for their money down the road and decide that being a snow bird living in a state where they aren't going to touch their money ... then I can't fucking help you.

Washington State has the most regressive tax structure in the country.

HTH

Disagree. An income tax is very regressive. It hinders lower class wealth building, by design. A wealth tax is the most progressive structure. The problem with a full wealth tax is the cost and ability to track all forms of wealth beyond real estate.

Here in Washington aside from the regressive B&O tax has a pretty good system where we tax consumption aside from certain basic necessities and tax wealth in the form of real estate. Our tax system is why we continue to grow. It also is more stable in times of economic fluctuation. When recession hits WA govt. fares better than our contiguous Pacific coast peers.

Da duq? Look up what a regressive tax structure is. It's clear you don't understand the concept.

Definitions of progressive and regressive differ. I think progressing towards freedom is what we should strive for. Most people who use the term progress and label themselves progressive these days sadly are big govt. Fascists.


If progressive = most fair then Washington's tax structure aside from the regressive B&O tax is easily one of the most progressive.

If you are an ivory tower, mega corporation, 1%er, eliminate the middle class, enslave the poor, big govt. elitist then California or NY's tax system is what you view as the most progressive. Stop ignoring science, these systems are proven failures that only enrich the elite, corrupt, and their underclass cronies.

Progressive Taxes
A progressive tax is simply one approach to determining who pays what amount in their taxes. It isn’t about initiating reform, but rather an attempt to ensure taxation is “fair” to all payers.

A progressive tax system takes into account ability to pay, setting rates based on income. That is, as income (or general wealth) goes up, so does the tax rate; as a percentage of income, poorer individuals tend to pay less, and wealthier or higher-earning individuals pay more.



In theory, this kind of system can apply to individual incomes as well as transactions, but it tends to show up more in the form of income taxes—hence, talk about the different income brackets in America.

Regressive Taxes
Not many business owners raise and lower their prices according to the wealth of each customer. It is much simpler for prices to be set across the board for goods and services, regardless of who is shopping for them.

That is essentially the basis for regressive taxes. A regressive tax does not take into account an individual’s income level or ability to pay, but it is not exactly the opposite of a progressive tax. Frequently, this is seen when the tax is applied to transactions—like a sales tax—and increases the total cost of something. Because that same uniform fee represents a larger proportion of net wealth for the poor, and a smaller share of the total wealth for richer individuals, the impact is felt differently.



A flat, across-the-board amount charged to everyone can make for easy accounting, but it also leads to people paying a different rate of their total wealth in taxes. Again, fairness is relative and depends on where policymakers—and the tax professionals advising them—are putting their focus: the tax rate, or total taxes paid.