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Blue State exodus
doogie
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Illinois is fucked. No, US Taxpayers aren’t going to guarantee your lofty Public pensions. Fuck off.
With Illinois’ tax base literally walking away, less and less people are there to foot the massive bill the Democratic politicians in the state have stuck on the remaining residents. They tried to hike taxes to compensate, but that only caused more people to pack up and leave for a less expensive place to live.
“As people leave the state, they take their pocketbooks with them. That means there are fewer Illinoisans to pay the bills,” said Orphe Divounguy, chief economist with the Illinois Policy Institute. “It’s worrying because if you have a declining population and a declining labor force, you will for sure have a further slowdown of economic activity going into 2018.”
https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2017/12/27/americans-fled-blue-states-hundreds-thousands-due-high-taxes-high-crime-rates/
With Illinois’ tax base literally walking away, less and less people are there to foot the massive bill the Democratic politicians in the state have stuck on the remaining residents. They tried to hike taxes to compensate, but that only caused more people to pack up and leave for a less expensive place to live.
“As people leave the state, they take their pocketbooks with them. That means there are fewer Illinoisans to pay the bills,” said Orphe Divounguy, chief economist with the Illinois Policy Institute. “It’s worrying because if you have a declining population and a declining labor force, you will for sure have a further slowdown of economic activity going into 2018.”
https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2017/12/27/americans-fled-blue-states-hundreds-thousands-due-high-taxes-high-crime-rates/
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Do you want up compare the productivity of the top 10 liberal states compared to the top 10 conservative states?
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Start a thread and go for it
I'm not interested but I am sure someone is.
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Doogitup.gif2001400ex said:Do you want up compare the
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Redstate.com is my second most trusted news network, right behind naturenews.
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The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.
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Lotsa ostriches out today.
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I'm sure they are moving to Kansas.
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But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.doogie said:The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.
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Too bad none of you esteemed commie friends get the point of what the census data proves.
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Stats are for losers. We already knew this. Keep up.doogie said:Too bad none of you esteemed commie friends get the point of what the census data proves.
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One billionaire leaves, one illegal immigrant arrives.
Net effect = O -
Wyoming is rich as fuck. Illinois would piss all over themselves to have Wyoming’s balance sheet.RedRocket said:
But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.doogie said:The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.
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Odd how an increase in illegals is bandied about like it's good.RedRocket said:
But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because ofdoogie said:The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.
immigration"Illegal Aliens". But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state. -
If you don't think that Washington or Oregon aren't going to have similar problems in 20-30 years when all the liberals that are making a shit ton of money today realize that politicians are coming for their money down the road and decide that being a snow bird living in a state where they aren't going to touch their money ... then I can't fucking help you.RedRocket said:
But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.doogie said:The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.
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Amazon is already on the way out of Seattle er looking for a "second" HQ
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They should relocate to Hong Kong, where they belong. Easier to source their fake shit from the Shenzhen factories. Cheaper shipping from there to the US also.RaceBannon said:Amazon is already on the way out of Seattle er looking for a "second" HQ
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I never said that the immigration was good or bad just pointing out that Doogie was using misleading stats. Places like Seattle, New York and San Francisco have a bigger problem with wealthy, legal immigrants anyways.Sledog said:
Odd how an increase in illegals is bandied about like it's good.RedRocket said:
But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because ofdoogie said:The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.
immigration"Illegal Aliens". But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state. -
Washington State has the most regressive tax structure in the country.Tequilla said:
If you don't think that Washington or Oregon aren't going to have similar problems in 20-30 years when all the liberals that are making a shit ton of money today realize that politicians are coming for their money down the road and decide that being a snow bird living in a state where they aren't going to touch their money ... then I can't fucking help you.RedRocket said:
But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.doogie said:The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.
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Christ. Bookmark this. Hondo and I agree on something totally 100%.2001400ex said:
Washington State has the most regressive tax structure in the country.Tequilla said:
If you don't think that Washington or Oregon aren't going to have similar problems in 20-30 years when all the liberals that are making a shit ton of money today realize that politicians are coming for their money down the road and decide that being a snow bird living in a state where they aren't going to touch their money ... then I can't fucking help you.RedRocket said:
But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.doogie said:The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.
HTH
Property taxes and sales taxes should be slashed to 1/3 of present rates. Institute a third leg of revenue in a moderate income tax and abolish the B&O tax completely.
Then institute special tax incentive zones/port districts in places like Spokane and Vancouver and Tri-Cities so businesses will relocate there instead of Oregon/Idaho and watch the motherfucking state take off to the stratosphere.
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Snowbirds would still pay property and sales tax in WA. The rich liberals would have to sell their houses and move entirely but it's not going to happen and it wouldnt matter anyways because there would just be a new post millennial generation that would fill the gap. Only reason this would change is if businesses left WA or OR in droves which I also don't see happening.Tequilla said:
If you don't think that Washington or Oregon aren't going to have similar problems in 20-30 years when all the liberals that are making a shit ton of money today realize that politicians are coming for their money down the road and decide that being a snow bird living in a state where they aren't going to touch their money ... then I can't fucking help you.RedRocket said:
But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.doogie said:The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.
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Right. Washington, without an income tax, gives an incentive to have income here. Income tax in most states is way more than any property tax difference.RedRocket said:
Snowbirds would still pay property and sales tax in WA. The rich liberals would have to sell their houses and move entirely but it's not going to happen and it wouldnt matter anyways because there would just be a new post millennial generation that would fill the gap. Only reason this would change is if businesses left WA or OR in droves which I also don't see happening.Tequilla said:
If you don't think that Washington or Oregon aren't going to have similar problems in 20-30 years when all the liberals that are making a shit ton of money today realize that politicians are coming for their money down the road and decide that being a snow bird living in a state where they aren't going to touch their money ... then I can't fucking help you.RedRocket said:
But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.doogie said:The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.
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Let's go to the data:
Net Migration- Alabama 5,109 5,798 5,152 1,996 3,874
- Alaska 1,174 -974 -8,200 -5,355 -2,557
- Arizona 45,650 37,820 55,328 63,755 76,405
- Arkansas 2,127 1,541 387 2,506 3,530
- California 78,532 70,149 97,674 70,495 33,530
- Colorado 38,930 45,660 49,443 67,627 60,773
- Connecticut -3,715 -2,400 -10,383 -11,500 -12,822
- Delaware 5,685 5,656 6,409 6,647 5,583
- District of Columbia 9,997 9,665 4,710 7,122 6,392
- Florida 206,039 201,302 257,486 328,772 325,986
- Georgia 40,950 15,254 46,426 58,625 60,612
- Hawaii 5,442 5,991 2,318 1,837 -2,583
- Idaho 1,293 6,244 10,585 8,596 18,869
- Illinois -47,834 -42,196 -66,273 -73,614 -83,210
- Indiana -3,099 9,272 4,002 -4,612 -1,083
- Iowa 668 6,197 6,170 2,752 2,944
- Kansas 1,124 -6,716 -7,163 -6,596 -12,744
- Kentucky 2,868 3,998 1,540 251 3,305
- Louisiana 6,238 4,062 1,449 422 -5,020
- Maine 719 296 2,410 85 3,954
- Maryland 17,329 14,684 9,856 2,566 176
- Massachusetts 26,785 32,251 28,522 19,439 15,292
- Michigan -13,067 -9,437 -3,993 -15,801 -5,328
- Minnesota 3,207 10,176 6,989 1,612 11,882
- Mississippi -3,809 -2,160 -6,390 -10,959 -7,467
- Missouri -4,828 198 558 -722 2,163
- Montana 4,268 6,243 5,328 5,681 7,422
- Nebraska 2,996 3,168 1,907 1,470 2,043
- Nevada 19,802 19,562 30,773 36,103 41,967
- New Hampshire 912 -410 5,007 665 4,362
- New Jersey -3,140 -2,387 -6,167 -15,736 -16,704
- New Mexico -4,487 -8,358 -11,496 -10,769 -7,111
- New York -8,477 -5,525 -43,810 -40,962 -72,889
- North Carolina 54,468 57,116 54,435 63,825 80,078
- North Dakota 12,480 17,950 10,664 11,419 -4,684
- Ohio -20,472 -5,011 766 -11,799 -7,967
- Oklahoma 15,322 19,976 11,380 14,866 2,894
- Oregon 19,221 14,790 30,220 43,082 56,972
- Pennsylvania 11,730 -1,347 -1,535 -10,154 -10,887
- Rhode Island -1,248 -1,294 980 210 419
- South Carolina 32,487 34,167 45,062 53,376 52,844
- South Dakota 5,563 5,786 2,085 643 2,573
- Tennessee 36,677 22,233 32,830 31,783 39,959
- Texas 214,132 194,268 252,592 266,340 217,542
- Utah 4,601 10,952 4,607 14,387 25,412
- Vermont -909 241 -402 -1,264 -1,910
- Virginia 39,548 32,749 13,788 11,406 7,202
- Washington 35,407 36,165 50,252 68,590 91,981
- West Virginia 2,423 -1,494 -3,160 -4,878 -6,583
- Wisconsin -3,077 -911 -1,060 -7,545 -4,405
- Wyoming 5,835 3,012 -2,257 -59 -3,823
Year ending 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 - Alabama 5,109 5,798 5,152 1,996 3,874
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Look at those hordes of people moving into Kansas after the tax cuts.... Oh wait.AZDuck said:Let's go to the data:
Net Migration- Alabama 5,109 5,798 5,152 1,996 3,874
- Alaska 1,174 -974 -8,200 -5,355 -2,557
- Arizona 45,650 37,820 55,328 63,755 76,405
- Arkansas 2,127 1,541 387 2,506 3,530
- California 78,532 70,149 97,674 70,495 33,530
- Colorado 38,930 45,660 49,443 67,627 60,773
- Connecticut -3,715 -2,400 -10,383 -11,500 -12,822
- Delaware 5,685 5,656 6,409 6,647 5,583
- District of Columbia 9,997 9,665 4,710 7,122 6,392
- Florida 206,039 201,302 257,486 328,772 325,986
- Georgia 40,950 15,254 46,426 58,625 60,612
- Hawaii 5,442 5,991 2,318 1,837 -2,583
- Idaho 1,293 6,244 10,585 8,596 18,869
- Illinois -47,834 -42,196 -66,273 -73,614 -83,210
- Indiana -3,099 9,272 4,002 -4,612 -1,083
- Iowa 668 6,197 6,170 2,752 2,944
- Kansas 1,124 -6,716 -7,163 -6,596 -12,744
- Kentucky 2,868 3,998 1,540 251 3,305
- Louisiana 6,238 4,062 1,449 422 -5,020
- Maine 719 296 2,410 85 3,954
- Maryland 17,329 14,684 9,856 2,566 176
- Massachusetts 26,785 32,251 28,522 19,439 15,292
- Michigan -13,067 -9,437 -3,993 -15,801 -5,328
- Minnesota 3,207 10,176 6,989 1,612 11,882
- Mississippi -3,809 -2,160 -6,390 -10,959 -7,467
- Missouri -4,828 198 558 -722 2,163
- Montana 4,268 6,243 5,328 5,681 7,422
- Nebraska 2,996 3,168 1,907 1,470 2,043
- Nevada 19,802 19,562 30,773 36,103 41,967
- New Hampshire 912 -410 5,007 665 4,362
- New Jersey -3,140 -2,387 -6,167 -15,736 -16,704
- New Mexico -4,487 -8,358 -11,496 -10,769 -7,111
- New York -8,477 -5,525 -43,810 -40,962 -72,889
- North Carolina 54,468 57,116 54,435 63,825 80,078
- North Dakota 12,480 17,950 10,664 11,419 -4,684
- Ohio -20,472 -5,011 766 -11,799 -7,967
- Oklahoma 15,322 19,976 11,380 14,866 2,894
- Oregon 19,221 14,790 30,220 43,082 56,972
- Pennsylvania 11,730 -1,347 -1,535 -10,154 -10,887
- Rhode Island -1,248 -1,294 980 210 419
- South Carolina 32,487 34,167 45,062 53,376 52,844
- South Dakota 5,563 5,786 2,085 643 2,573
- Tennessee 36,677 22,233 32,830 31,783 39,959
- Texas 214,132 194,268 252,592 266,340 217,542
- Utah 4,601 10,952 4,607 14,387 25,412
- Vermont -909 241 -402 -1,264 -1,910
- Virginia 39,548 32,749 13,788 11,406 7,202
- Washington 35,407 36,165 50,252 68,590 91,981
- West Virginia 2,423 -1,494 -3,160 -4,878 -6,583
- Wisconsin -3,077 -911 -1,060 -7,545 -4,405
- Wyoming 5,835 3,012 -2,257 -59 -3,823
Year ending 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 - Alabama 5,109 5,798 5,152 1,996 3,874
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Hondo doesn't agree with you thoughPurpleThrobber said:
Christ. Bookmark this. Hondo and I agree on something totally 100%.2001400ex said:
Washington State has the most regressive tax structure in the country.Tequilla said:
If you don't think that Washington or Oregon aren't going to have similar problems in 20-30 years when all the liberals that are making a shit ton of money today realize that politicians are coming for their money down the road and decide that being a snow bird living in a state where they aren't going to touch their money ... then I can't fucking help you.RedRocket said:
But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.doogie said:The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.
HTH
Property taxes and sales taxes should be slashed to 1/3 of present rates. Institute a third leg of revenue in a moderate income tax and abolish the B&O tax completely.
Then institute special tax incentive zones/port districts in places like Spokane and Vancouver and Tri-Cities so businesses will relocate there instead of Oregon/Idaho and watch the motherfucking state take off to the stratosphere.
He wants to keep or raise property and sales and gas taxes while adding a punishing income tax and the BO as well
Welcome to the Hotel California
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The reason I moved back to Washington is I'd rather pay 9% of what I spend then 6% of what I earn.RaceBannon said:
Hondo doesn't agree with you thoughPurpleThrobber said:
Christ. Bookmark this. Hondo and I agree on something totally 100%.2001400ex said:
Washington State has the most regressive tax structure in the country.Tequilla said:
If you don't think that Washington or Oregon aren't going to have similar problems in 20-30 years when all the liberals that are making a shit ton of money today realize that politicians are coming for their money down the road and decide that being a snow bird living in a state where they aren't going to touch their money ... then I can't fucking help you.RedRocket said:
But Wyoming had the largest exodus in percentage terms. The article also conveniently forgets about strong growth blue states like WA and OR and doesn't mention that NY and CA actually had population growth because of immigration. But yeah blue states are fucked. If doogie had any balls he would relocate from his liberal strong hold to a bible belt red state.doogie said:The exodus of residents was most pronounced in New York, which saw about 190,000 people leave the state between July 1, 2016 and July 1, 2017, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last week.
HTH
Property taxes and sales taxes should be slashed to 1/3 of present rates. Institute a third leg of revenue in a moderate income tax and abolish the B&O tax completely.
Then institute special tax incentive zones/port districts in places like Spokane and Vancouver and Tri-Cities so businesses will relocate there instead of Oregon/Idaho and watch the motherfucking state take off to the stratosphere.
He wants to keep or raise property and sales and gas taxes while adding a punishing income tax and the BO as well
Welcome to the Hotel California
The one thing I have always been proud of Washington voters for is not falling for this ruse.
HTH -
No one cares
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So you are lying when you say I want higher taxes. Nice work.RaceBannon said:No one cares
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I said no one cares
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Ok!RaceBannon said:I said no one cares
Of course you want higher taxes. That's not even a question. -
$21 BILLLLLLLLIIIIIIOOOONNNN here in Oregon.PurpleThrobber said:
Doogitup.gif2001400ex said:Do you want up compare the
productivityunfunded pension liabilities of the top 10 liberal states compared to the top 10 conservative states?
