TSiO DDY Breakdown 2018 Early Signees: Defense (LB's/DB's)
Coker: Kaho is a perfect fit in our defense. I think he will play outside for us at SAM (field side) and that will allow him to roam and flow to the ball and play in space. He already has great ability in using his hands on lineman to disengage and has a real good feel for the angles he takes on defense. For me, you can really see his ability on offense though. When he gets up to speed he is flying and he is a natural laterally quick guy. He will be a terrific defender in our scheme. DDY3
Dennis: Elite, elite forward movement. The guy can accelerate like a cheetah and he has a natural big frame. I assume he will end up around 235 and be able to move as well. You’d like to see his film have a little more lateral movement, but when he’s moving toward something he looks like a heat-seeking missile. The most talented LB we’ve signed under Pete. DDY3
Jackson Sirmon (6’2” 224lb LB) https://hudl.com/video/3/7494305/5a263172664b010e507a1c28
Coker: Seems like the first time in a long time we have recruited a true MLB, and that is what I think Sirmon projects as in our defense. Super light on his feet for being 6’2” 224lbs and when he hits you players go down. Already takes great angles to the ball carrier and has a feel for his drops in pass. Think BBK but 3 inches taller and coming in 25 pounds heavier. Lastly, in his commit video posted by Washington, stated that “My dad grew up a Washington fan,” so bonus points there for the subtle troll. DDY2
Dennis: Sirmon reminds me of Mason Foster. If you go back and watch MF’s high school film, they both make plays in space, do a great job cutting down angles and they both thump when they tackle. Both light on their feet in HS and both guys who I thought would be big, inside LBs for us. DDY2
MJ Tafisi (5’11.5” 224 LB) https://hudl.com/video/3/4257357/5a17d6080c53d82738508e31
Coker: Best player comp I can think of off the top of my head is ‘The Waterboy.’ Tafisi by himself does not make as much sense with UW as Tafisi with the LB core UW is bringing in this class. The guys he is surrounded by will make him very valuable for UW and he will be a terrific fit at WIL. He is an absolute missile on the field and at 224lbs he is not the 200lb linebackers we had a bad habit of bringing in over years past. DDY2
Dennis: Reminds me of Ram-Man from he-man. Just short with long arms and built like a brick shithouse. He closes really fast and when he hits people, they can’t hold on to the ball. He plays ‘heavy’ and intense. I really like this kid a lot. It’s a trade up from Nick Bolton IMO, particularly because of his acceleration and closing speed. He has that tractor beam to get you down before you can make the move. If he were 4 inches taller, would’ve been one of the top recruits in the west, but he’s on the small side. DDY2
Kyler Gordon (5’11.25 185 DB) https://hudl.com/video/3/4580494/59a9782964e9b70a00c9c15b (Single game, Sr. Season)
Coker: You could line him up at FS, CB, or Slot and he’d do well everywhere. It’s like Jimmy Lake created him in his secret DB lab from the DNA of all of our past great DB’s. He is so smooth and natural in all of his movements, he can control himself in spots that others would just crumble. I can’t wait to see what we do with him on defense. DDY3
Dennis: Jesus fucking Christ this kid is a missile. He was born to play S/Slot in our D. He’s a dancer and moves like a cat, but hits like a dog. He’s light on his feet, but once he gets to the target he does a nice job getting all the power out of his frame. However, what sets him apart is that free-space movement and ability to predict and mimic opponents’ movements. As good a fit in our D as I’ve seen. DDY3
Dominique Hampton (6’2 197 CB) https://hudl.com/video/3/6099606/59d095cada52a30e4cbbb370
Coker: You could make a case that this is the most rare corner UW has ever brought into the program. He glides on the field and he is already almost 200 pounds, has long arms and is extremely physical in coverage. The thing that surprised me about his game is his speed as well, he eats up yards with his stride and accelerates by people with ease. Elite ceiling player that adds to one of the best units in the Country. WSU will complain about him being too good when they can’t do anything against us for the 305th year in a row. DDY3
Dennis: When you see a kid with this size, the first concern is that he’s slow or can’t move laterally. Dominique is the complete opposite - he is bouncy and fast. He can jump, he can play physically and he has a sudden rush toward the ball that is impressive. He looks like Patrick Peterson to some extent. Just huge, long strides with quickness and willing physicality. DDY3
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Free pub on the Kyler and Kaho info. Plz!
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I read all of these posts and my bone is mostly hard except it sounds like our RB is shit...Waiting for four years from now when he destroys every one of Gaskin's records.
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@SpiritHorse better get some love for saving himself and salvaging his dignity with his late calls on both Kaho and Gordon. Also, please discuss what you think really went down with Togiai in the end. TIA for your efforts.
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Average DDY rating of 2.6. Holy shit this is an elite haul.
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I don't have much luck with horses...including pommelhorses.Swaye said:@SpiritHorse better get some love for saving himself and salvaging his dignity with his late calls on both Kaho and Gordon. Also, please discuss what you think really went down with Togiai in the end. TIA for your efforts.
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Other than the 1 year of kikaha this coaching staff has never had an elite BUCK that is versatile enough to play in space, stop the run and rush the passer. As amazing as our defense has been under Kwat I think the LBs have definitely been a weakness for us and our lack of an elite pass rusher has held this defense back. If Tryon is that elite guy off the edge then pairing him with Kaho is going to vault this D to another level. We've gotten elite play from our secondary and defensive line which should continue going forward, but the play of the LBs is about to move from solid to elite over the next 2-3 seasons and our defense is going to take the next step.
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NTD, BB.
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Linebackers have been good. Just one position was underwhelming. That's the buck. Feeney and Littleton could bring heat from the edge but feeney was playing out of position should have been a situational pass rusher. Azeem RIP and bierra have been good.ToddTurnerLIVES said:Other than the 1 year of kikaha this coaching staff has never had an elite BUCK that is versatile enough to play in space, stop the run and rush the passer. As amazing as our defense has been under Kwat I think the LBs have definitely been a weakness for us and our lack of an elite pass rusher has held this defense back. If Tryon is that elite guy off the edge then pairing him with Kaho is going to vault this D to another level. We've gotten elite play from our secondary and defensive line which should continue going forward, but the play of the LBs is about to move from solid to elite over the next 2-3 seasons and our defense is going to take the next step.
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AtomicDawg said:
Linebackers have been good. Just one position was underwhelming. That's the buck. Feeney and Littleton could bring heat from the edge but feeney was playing out of position should have been a situational pass rusher. Azeem RIP and bierra have been good.ToddTurnerLIVES said:Other than the 1 year of kikaha this coaching staff has never had an elite BUCK that is versatile enough to play in space, stop the run and rush the passer. As amazing as our defense has been under Kwat I think the LBs have definitely been a weakness for us and our lack of an elite pass rusher has held this defense back. If Tryon is that elite guy off the edge then pairing him with Kaho is going to vault this D to another level. We've gotten elite play from our secondary and defensive line which should continue going forward, but the play of the LBs is about to move from solid to elite over the next 2-3 seasons and our defense is going to take the next step.
Ahh. No.
See ASU and Stanford. -
We scored 7 points vs ASU. DB’s and Browning were the main reason for Stanford loss. LB isn’t a problem. Let your BBK obsession go.Baseman said:AtomicDawg said:
Linebackers have been good. Just one position was underwhelming. That's the buck. Feeney and Littleton could bring heat from the edge but feeney was playing out of position should have been a situational pass rusher. Azeem RIP and bierra have been good.ToddTurnerLIVES said:Other than the 1 year of kikaha this coaching staff has never had an elite BUCK that is versatile enough to play in space, stop the run and rush the passer. As amazing as our defense has been under Kwat I think the LBs have definitely been a weakness for us and our lack of an elite pass rusher has held this defense back. If Tryon is that elite guy off the edge then pairing him with Kaho is going to vault this D to another level. We've gotten elite play from our secondary and defensive line which should continue going forward, but the play of the LBs is about to move from solid to elite over the next 2-3 seasons and our defense is going to take the next step.
Ahh. No.
See ASU and Stanford. -
Bryce Love ran inside the tackles for 170 yards.RoadDawg55 said:
We scored 7 points vs ASU. DB’s and Browning were the main reason for Stanford loss. LB isn’t a problem. Let your BBK obsession go.Baseman said:AtomicDawg said:
Linebackers have been good. Just one position was underwhelming. That's the buck. Feeney and Littleton could bring heat from the edge but feeney was playing out of position should have been a situational pass rusher. Azeem RIP and bierra have been good.ToddTurnerLIVES said:Other than the 1 year of kikaha this coaching staff has never had an elite BUCK that is versatile enough to play in space, stop the run and rush the passer. As amazing as our defense has been under Kwat I think the LBs have definitely been a weakness for us and our lack of an elite pass rusher has held this defense back. If Tryon is that elite guy off the edge then pairing him with Kaho is going to vault this D to another level. We've gotten elite play from our secondary and defensive line which should continue going forward, but the play of the LBs is about to move from solid to elite over the next 2-3 seasons and our defense is going to take the next step.
Ahh. No.
See ASU and Stanford.
BBK and Jonathon Smith are the reason this team is playing before New Years. -
Great fucking sample size. Bama secondary sucks because they could not stop Watson. See how dumb I sound.Baseman said:
Bryce Love ran inside the tackles for 170 yards.RoadDawg55 said:
We scored 7 points vs ASU. DB’s and Browning were the main reason for Stanford loss. LB isn’t a problem. Let your BBK obsession go.Baseman said:AtomicDawg said:
Linebackers have been good. Just one position was underwhelming. That's the buck. Feeney and Littleton could bring heat from the edge but feeney was playing out of position should have been a situational pass rusher. Azeem RIP and bierra have been good.ToddTurnerLIVES said:Other than the 1 year of kikaha this coaching staff has never had an elite BUCK that is versatile enough to play in space, stop the run and rush the passer. As amazing as our defense has been under Kwat I think the LBs have definitely been a weakness for us and our lack of an elite pass rusher has held this defense back. If Tryon is that elite guy off the edge then pairing him with Kaho is going to vault this D to another level. We've gotten elite play from our secondary and defensive line which should continue going forward, but the play of the LBs is about to move from solid to elite over the next 2-3 seasons and our defense is going to take the next step.
Ahh. No.
See ASU and Stanford.
BBK and Jonathon Smith are the reason this team is playing before New Years. -
Bo Scarborough ran over BBK and Bama played in the Championship Game.AtomicDawg said:
Great fucking sample size. Bama secondary sucks because they could not stop Watson. See how dumb I sound.Baseman said:
Bryce Love ran inside the tackles for 170 yards.RoadDawg55 said:
We scored 7 points vs ASU. DB’s and Browning were the main reason for Stanford loss. LB isn’t a problem. Let your BBK obsession go.Baseman said:AtomicDawg said:
Linebackers have been good. Just one position was underwhelming. That's the buck. Feeney and Littleton could bring heat from the edge but feeney was playing out of position should have been a situational pass rusher. Azeem RIP and bierra have been good.ToddTurnerLIVES said:Other than the 1 year of kikaha this coaching staff has never had an elite BUCK that is versatile enough to play in space, stop the run and rush the passer. As amazing as our defense has been under Kwat I think the LBs have definitely been a weakness for us and our lack of an elite pass rusher has held this defense back. If Tryon is that elite guy off the edge then pairing him with Kaho is going to vault this D to another level. We've gotten elite play from our secondary and defensive line which should continue going forward, but the play of the LBs is about to move from solid to elite over the next 2-3 seasons and our defense is going to take the next step.
Ahh. No.
See ASU and Stanford.
BBK and Jonathon Smith are the reason this team is playing before New Years. -
He also ran over our entire fucking team. Our offense couldn't stay off the sideline.Baseman said:
Bo Scarborough ran over BBK and Bama played in the Championship Game.AtomicDawg said:
Great fucking sample size. Bama secondary sucks because they could not stop Watson. See how dumb I sound.Baseman said:
Bryce Love ran inside the tackles for 170 yards.RoadDawg55 said:
We scored 7 points vs ASU. DB’s and Browning were the main reason for Stanford loss. LB isn’t a problem. Let your BBK obsession go.Baseman said:AtomicDawg said:
Linebackers have been good. Just one position was underwhelming. That's the buck. Feeney and Littleton could bring heat from the edge but feeney was playing out of position should have been a situational pass rusher. Azeem RIP and bierra have been good.ToddTurnerLIVES said:Other than the 1 year of kikaha this coaching staff has never had an elite BUCK that is versatile enough to play in space, stop the run and rush the passer. As amazing as our defense has been under Kwat I think the LBs have definitely been a weakness for us and our lack of an elite pass rusher has held this defense back. If Tryon is that elite guy off the edge then pairing him with Kaho is going to vault this D to another level. We've gotten elite play from our secondary and defensive line which should continue going forward, but the play of the LBs is about to move from solid to elite over the next 2-3 seasons and our defense is going to take the next step.
Ahh. No.
See ASU and Stanford.
BBK and Jonathon Smith are the reason this team is playing before New Years.
Please bring up how the linebackers were a liability vs asu this year. Can't wait to hear.
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Lol This whole BBK thing is getting to be so fucking retarded.
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This is fucking retarded on so many levels other than the point about Smith.Baseman said:
Bryce Love ran inside the tackles for 170 yards.RoadDawg55 said:
We scored 7 points vs ASU. DB’s and Browning were the main reason for Stanford loss. LB isn’t a problem. Let your BBK obsession go.Baseman said:AtomicDawg said:
Linebackers have been good. Just one position was underwhelming. That's the buck. Feeney and Littleton could bring heat from the edge but feeney was playing out of position should have been a situational pass rusher. Azeem RIP and bierra have been good.ToddTurnerLIVES said:Other than the 1 year of kikaha this coaching staff has never had an elite BUCK that is versatile enough to play in space, stop the run and rush the passer. As amazing as our defense has been under Kwat I think the LBs have definitely been a weakness for us and our lack of an elite pass rusher has held this defense back. If Tryon is that elite guy off the edge then pairing him with Kaho is going to vault this D to another level. We've gotten elite play from our secondary and defensive line which should continue going forward, but the play of the LBs is about to move from solid to elite over the next 2-3 seasons and our defense is going to take the next step.
Ahh. No.
See ASU and Stanford.
BBK and Jonathon Smith are the reason this team is playing before New Years. -
Barkley > Love
Zeem > BBK
Lubick or anyone with a heartbeat > Smith -
BBK stinks. He's a guy who could dominate at Montana State, but fundamentally is not good.
What is the evidence people use that he's good? Number of tackles!!
I cannot think of a more worthless stat than number of tackles. It does not tell you where the tackles were made, whether he hit a guy and the guy went down, or whether BBK (as is often the case) allowed the ball carrier 2-3 extra yards after initial contact.
The only evidence from anyone that BBK is good is that he has a lot of tackles.
The other piece that I think is difficult for people is the fact that he plays well against half our schedule: Rutgers, Montana, Fresno State, Oregon State, Cal and WSU are all opponents where BBK looks good. And then to a lesser extent vs. Oregon, ASU and UCLA and not at all vs. Stanford.
Again - this highlights the problem with a lot of these 'Sark level' players. They are fine against shitty teams, but against good teams they are not good enough. They essentially play to their talent level (which is fine).
My problem with BBK is that:
a) by virtue of being white, undersized and under-recruited he is automatically loved by fans (this is a typical pattern and I can cite many examples of this, but it should be obvious because most people here are smart enough to see obvious things) and consequently overrated - this allows for the times he looked good to loom large in people's heads rather than all the times where he DIDN'T do anything or got shoved out of the way...
b) his play is noticeable and in the flow of the game because he does have a high motor, and he appears to be doing a lot - it's only on second watching (that is, if you are not skeptical to him in the first place) that you see him getting pushed back routinely, not getting off blocks, being generally ineffective (though productive), and...
c) When we play teams like Stanford, they just attack him (they did a great job as just attacking our weaknesses like Bryant as well)...
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM BEING LIGHTLY RECRUITED. Azeem and Keishawn were just as lightly recruited. I love Tevis and Tevis was heavily recruited.
I just like guys who are talented because irrespective of what the average light beer swilling, fat, dumb, white fan thinks - it's the talented guys who win championships and play beautifully.
BBK is the undersized, 'high-motor' white guy that white guys love to love. -
BUCK and LBs have been solid. D line and secondary have been elite. Not a knock on any of those guys players like BBK and Psalm wouldn't start for the majority of Pac 12 teams let alone the upper echelon of teams contending for a spot in the playoffs. Other than Shaq I think Littleton has been our best LB under Pete and I agree that Feeney played out of position(he also played as a true freshman, which he shouldn't have, because fuck Sark).AtomicDawg said:
Linebackers have been good. Just one position was underwhelming. That's the buck. Feeney and Littleton could bring heat from the edge but feeney was playing out of position should have been a situational pass rusher. Azeem RIP and bierra have been good.ToddTurnerLIVES said:Other than the 1 year of kikaha this coaching staff has never had an elite BUCK that is versatile enough to play in space, stop the run and rush the passer. As amazing as our defense has been under Kwat I think the LBs have definitely been a weakness for us and our lack of an elite pass rusher has held this defense back. If Tryon is that elite guy off the edge then pairing him with Kaho is going to vault this D to another level. We've gotten elite play from our secondary and defensive line which should continue going forward, but the play of the LBs is about to move from solid to elite over the next 2-3 seasons and our defense is going to take the next step.
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Azeem? Bierria?ToddTurnerLIVES said:
BUCK and LBs have been solid. D line and secondary have been elite. Not a knock on any of those guys players like BBK and Psalm wouldn't start for the majority of Pac 12 teams let alone the upper echelon of teams contending for a spot in the playoffs. Other than Shaq I think Littleton has been our best LB under Pete and I agree that Feeney played out of position(he also played as a true freshman, which he shouldn't have, because fuck Sark).AtomicDawg said:
Linebackers have been good. Just one position was underwhelming. That's the buck. Feeney and Littleton could bring heat from the edge but feeney was playing out of position should have been a situational pass rusher. Azeem RIP and bierra have been good.ToddTurnerLIVES said:Other than the 1 year of kikaha this coaching staff has never had an elite BUCK that is versatile enough to play in space, stop the run and rush the passer. As amazing as our defense has been under Kwat I think the LBs have definitely been a weakness for us and our lack of an elite pass rusher has held this defense back. If Tryon is that elite guy off the edge then pairing him with Kaho is going to vault this D to another level. We've gotten elite play from our secondary and defensive line which should continue going forward, but the play of the LBs is about to move from solid to elite over the next 2-3 seasons and our defense is going to take the next step.
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So Dennis, I take it you won't be chairing the London Fletcher for HOF committee any time soon?
But yeah, I hate tackles as a stat. It's like judging a pilot on how many passengers he's flown without accounting for how many made it to their intended destination and how many were still alive when he dropped them off. -
I appreciate that people started keeping stats. Tackles seems like an obvious one to keep track of, so fine. It's better than NOTHING, I suppose.NorwegianHusky said:So Dennis, I take it you won't be chairing the London Fletcher for HOF committee any time soon?
But yeah, I hate tackles as a stat. It's like judging a pilot on how many passengers he's flown without accounting for how many made it to their intended destination and how many were still alive when he dropped them off.
However, what the brand new wave of sports analytics is showing us is that while things like 'tackles' were a decent rough draft of the data that we should be looking at, the things we need to be attending to are much more sophisticated.
Statistically Jake Browning last year was a million times better than Tui in his senior year. You would have to be a fucking retarded WSU-level cunt to think that Jake is even anywhere CLOSE to as good of a player as Marques was.
There are going to be ways to differentiate those types of contributions in the future and I'm not aware of any player-level stats that really help us these days...
But the IMPORTANT thing to remember is that stats like TACKLES don't mean fucking shit.
The same argument is made to say Mata'afa is a better player than Vita. lol -
For a defensive player, if the opposition is aggressively calling plays in your area that’s telling. It’s what teams did against PSALM last year. It’s what they did against Myles Bryant this year. BBK falls more into that category than not.
BBK isn’t terrible ... but to me on a good team he’s a 2nd team ILB.
When you watch a guy like BBK and then project out what Jackson Sirmon will be ... yeah, there’s a difference -
Exactly this. I don't HATE BBK. I just think he's better served as a situational depth guy against the lower tier of our conference...Tequilla said:For a defensive player, if the opposition is aggressively calling plays in your area that’s telling. It’s what teams did against PSALM last year. It’s what they did against Myles Bryant this year. BBK falls more into that category than not.
BBK isn’t terrible ... but to me on a good team he’s a 2nd team ILB.
When you watch a guy like BBK and then project out what Jackson Sirmon will be ... yeah, there’s a difference
To me, the perfect linebacking corps for our current D would be something like (from the past decade)
BUCK: Hau'oli Kikaha
WIL: Shaq Thompson
MIK: Donald Butler
SAM: Mason Foster
I think Jackson could eventually approach the style of play DB had... but BBK is no Shaq. -
3 all Americans. The one that wasn’t was probably the best physically and also AN nfl starter. Our defense would score enough points by themselves if we had those Guys starting at the same time.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Exactly this. I don't HATE BBK. I just think he's better served as a situational depth guy against the lower tier of our conference...Tequilla said:For a defensive player, if the opposition is aggressively calling plays in your area that’s telling. It’s what teams did against PSALM last year. It’s what they did against Myles Bryant this year. BBK falls more into that category than not.
BBK isn’t terrible ... but to me on a good team he’s a 2nd team ILB.
When you watch a guy like BBK and then project out what Jackson Sirmon will be ... yeah, there’s a difference
To me, the perfect linebacking corps for our current D would be something like (from the past decade)
BUCK: Hau'oli Kikaha
WIL: Shaq Thompson
MIK: Donald Butler
SAM: Mason Foster
I think Jackson could eventually approach the style of play DB had... but BBK is no Shaq. -
I don’t think it’s unreasonable... these are all guys who we could get now (maybe with the exception of Shaq, but Kaho is similarly rated).AtomicDawg said:
3 all Americans. The one that wasn’t was probably the best physically and also AN nfl starter. Our defense would score enough points by themselves if we had those Guys starting at the same time.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Exactly this. I don't HATE BBK. I just think he's better served as a situational depth guy against the lower tier of our conference...Tequilla said:For a defensive player, if the opposition is aggressively calling plays in your area that’s telling. It’s what teams did against PSALM last year. It’s what they did against Myles Bryant this year. BBK falls more into that category than not.
BBK isn’t terrible ... but to me on a good team he’s a 2nd team ILB.
When you watch a guy like BBK and then project out what Jackson Sirmon will be ... yeah, there’s a difference
To me, the perfect linebacking corps for our current D would be something like (from the past decade)
BUCK: Hau'oli Kikaha
WIL: Shaq Thompson
MIK: Donald Butler
SAM: Mason Foster
I think Jackson could eventually approach the style of play DB had... but BBK is no Shaq.
I don’t see a real reason why Kaho, Sirmon and Tafisi aren’t just as good a combo as these dudes. -
If we could add Martin we could basically say if they all reach their fullest potential we just recruited that exact group.Dennis_DeYoung said:
I don’t think it’s unreasonable... these are all guys who we could get now (maybe with the exception of Shaq, but Kaho is similarly rated).AtomicDawg said:
3 all Americans. The one that wasn’t was probably the best physically and also AN nfl starter. Our defense would score enough points by themselves if we had those Guys starting at the same time.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Exactly this. I don't HATE BBK. I just think he's better served as a situational depth guy against the lower tier of our conference...Tequilla said:For a defensive player, if the opposition is aggressively calling plays in your area that’s telling. It’s what teams did against PSALM last year. It’s what they did against Myles Bryant this year. BBK falls more into that category than not.
BBK isn’t terrible ... but to me on a good team he’s a 2nd team ILB.
When you watch a guy like BBK and then project out what Jackson Sirmon will be ... yeah, there’s a difference
To me, the perfect linebacking corps for our current D would be something like (from the past decade)
BUCK: Hau'oli Kikaha
WIL: Shaq Thompson
MIK: Donald Butler
SAM: Mason Foster
I think Jackson could eventually approach the style of play DB had... but BBK is no Shaq.
I don’t see a real reason why Kaho, Sirmon and Tafisi aren’t just as good a combo as these dudes. -
Completely agree that we could recruit those types of athletes. To have them all pan out at the simultaneously though is the hard part.Dennis_DeYoung said:
I don’t think it’s unreasonable... these are all guys who we could get now (maybe with the exception of Shaq, but Kaho is similarly rated).AtomicDawg said:
3 all Americans. The one that wasn’t was probably the best physically and also AN nfl starter. Our defense would score enough points by themselves if we had those Guys starting at the same time.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Exactly this. I don't HATE BBK. I just think he's better served as a situational depth guy against the lower tier of our conference...Tequilla said:For a defensive player, if the opposition is aggressively calling plays in your area that’s telling. It’s what teams did against PSALM last year. It’s what they did against Myles Bryant this year. BBK falls more into that category than not.
BBK isn’t terrible ... but to me on a good team he’s a 2nd team ILB.
When you watch a guy like BBK and then project out what Jackson Sirmon will be ... yeah, there’s a difference
To me, the perfect linebacking corps for our current D would be something like (from the past decade)
BUCK: Hau'oli Kikaha
WIL: Shaq Thompson
MIK: Donald Butler
SAM: Mason Foster
I think Jackson could eventually approach the style of play DB had... but BBK is no Shaq.
I don’t see a real reason why Kaho, Sirmon and Tafisi aren’t just as good a combo as these dudes.
The more you stack the better the odds like you say. It’s hard. Not impossible. USC did it with carrol. -
Comparing UW to Bama is dumb.AtomicDawg said:
Great fucking sample size. Bama secondary sucks because they could not stop Watson. See how dumb I sound.Baseman said:
Bryce Love ran inside the tackles for 170 yards.RoadDawg55 said:
We scored 7 points vs ASU. DB’s and Browning were the main reason for Stanford loss. LB isn’t a problem. Let your BBK obsession go.Baseman said:AtomicDawg said:
Linebackers have been good. Just one position was underwhelming. That's the buck. Feeney and Littleton could bring heat from the edge but feeney was playing out of position should have been a situational pass rusher. Azeem RIP and bierra have been good.ToddTurnerLIVES said:Other than the 1 year of kikaha this coaching staff has never had an elite BUCK that is versatile enough to play in space, stop the run and rush the passer. As amazing as our defense has been under Kwat I think the LBs have definitely been a weakness for us and our lack of an elite pass rusher has held this defense back. If Tryon is that elite guy off the edge then pairing him with Kaho is going to vault this D to another level. We've gotten elite play from our secondary and defensive line which should continue going forward, but the play of the LBs is about to move from solid to elite over the next 2-3 seasons and our defense is going to take the next step.
Ahh. No.
See ASU and Stanford.
BBK and Jonathon Smith are the reason this team is playing before New Years. -
Pettis created enough space. Nick Saban exposed a freshman lineman and Jake Browning and a 200 lb middle LB.AtomicDawg said:
He also ran over our entire fucking team. Our offense couldn't stay off the sideline.Baseman said:
Bo Scarborough ran over BBK and Bama played in the Championship Game.AtomicDawg said:
Great fucking sample size. Bama secondary sucks because they could not stop Watson. See how dumb I sound.Baseman said:
Bryce Love ran inside the tackles for 170 yards.RoadDawg55 said:
We scored 7 points vs ASU. DB’s and Browning were the main reason for Stanford loss. LB isn’t a problem. Let your BBK obsession go.Baseman said:AtomicDawg said:
Linebackers have been good. Just one position was underwhelming. That's the buck. Feeney and Littleton could bring heat from the edge but feeney was playing out of position should have been a situational pass rusher. Azeem RIP and bierra have been good.ToddTurnerLIVES said:Other than the 1 year of kikaha this coaching staff has never had an elite BUCK that is versatile enough to play in space, stop the run and rush the passer. As amazing as our defense has been under Kwat I think the LBs have definitely been a weakness for us and our lack of an elite pass rusher has held this defense back. If Tryon is that elite guy off the edge then pairing him with Kaho is going to vault this D to another level. We've gotten elite play from our secondary and defensive line which should continue going forward, but the play of the LBs is about to move from solid to elite over the next 2-3 seasons and our defense is going to take the next step.
Ahh. No.
See ASU and Stanford.
BBK and Jonathon Smith are the reason this team is playing before New Years.
Please bring up how the linebackers were a liability vs asu this year. Can't wait to hear.
Pettis and Ross couldn't generate space consistently vs bama, therefore our wr's are not good.
