Targeting Call...
Amazing hit, but not targeting.
espn.com/video/clip?id=21464048
https://sbnation.com/college-football/2016/9/7/12829482/targeting-penalty-rulebook-ncaa-football
"No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul.
This specifies a hit with the top of the helmet, but not necessarily a hit to the opponent’s helmet.
The next item in the rulebook, including the aforementioned "Note 1," which explains the many additional situations in which all kinds of hits are considered targeting:
No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
- Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
- A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
- Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
- Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet"
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He did this.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
- Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet"
It is designed to protect defensive players from paralyzing themselves.
Call it the Curtis Williams rule. -
I wish the crown of his helmet had made contact with Gilmore's fucking face.
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Speaking of the broadcast team, they keep Quint on a short leash.dflea said:I wish the crown of his helmet had made contact with Gilmore's fucking face.
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A lot of these calls ae bizarre and don't make sense, but as I understand it, that's targeting.
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POTDdflea said:I wish the crown of his helmet had made contact with Gilmore's fucking face.
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Looked pretty targety to me
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First off, I'm not going to read all that.DoogieMcDoogerson said:I think it was the wrong call...Feet were still on ground as he made contact, he did not go to head or neck area and he did not lower his head.
Amazing hit, but not targeting.
espn.com/video/clip?id=21464048
https://sbnation.com/college-football/2016/9/7/12829482/targeting-penalty-rulebook-ncaa-football
"No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul.
This specifies a hit with the top of the helmet, but not necessarily a hit to the opponent’s helmet.
The next item in the rulebook, including the aforementioned "Note 1," which explains the many additional situations in which all kinds of hits are considered targeting:
No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
- Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
- A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
- Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
- Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet"
Second, while IRDGAF, but he absolutely did lower his head and used the crown of his helmet in the guy's chest doogersonmcdoog. again, IRDGAF about either kid, but the rule's there to protect both players. it's a dangerous way to tackle ... ok, bring it.
PS: Chuck Cecil at Arizona (and the NFL) used to hit like that on every tackle. The guy was and is a crazy motherfucker, but also a lucky one. The guy's picture should be in the dictionary next "targeting". -
pretty much exactly right. watch the Curtis clip sometime. almost the same play, except the Stanford back was bigger and, as I recall, lowered his head too. In any event, it's how Williams became paralyzed.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
He did this.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
- Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet"
It is designed to protect defensive players from paralyzing themselves.
Call it the Curtis Williams rule. -
I would say it was targeting. It looked pretty crown
of the helmet to me. Plus even if it's borderline, I'd rather
protect the players from themselves. We REALLY don't
need any more Curtis Williams tragedies just so losers like
us can say "great hit". Fuck that. I'll take the suspension and
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You all are referencing the first part of the rule which is a precondition for one of the following listed at the end. did he lower his head before atacking? His arms were out ready to wrap. In any case, fucking awesome hit.
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It was the definition of targeting. Case closed.
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So what is his suspension? first half targetting you miss the second half, second half targetting you miss the first half of the next game?
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He served his time. He will be available for the entire gameLebamDawg said:So what is his suspension? first half targetting you miss the second half, second half targetting you miss the first half of the next game?
So will JoJo be there to chintimidate the entire cuogs fleet of receivers
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Does this thread come in a mens?
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The amount of pussy in that guys voice was cringe worthy. (Not the good pussy) 'oh my goodneth, he led with the crown of his helmut'. Thank god I didn't have to listen to that shit in the stands.
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You're trying too hard to lawyer this. Nobody cares what he's doing with this arms. His head (crown of his helmet) made contact with the player first. That's why the kid was almost folded in half. It's why they use that method ... it delivers the big hit. Great hit, and I'll concede it takes big ones to come in like that and lay the lumber ... but it's very fucking dangerous, particularly for the defender.DoogieMcDoogerson said:You all are referencing the first part of the rule which is a precondition for one of the following listed at the end. did he lower his head before atacking? His arms were out ready to wrap. In any case, fucking awesome hit.
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We all knew he was good for 1-2 of those this year. I suspect another one may come against a defenseless receiver of yours coming over the middle...t's&p'screepycoug said:
You're trying too hard to lawyer this. Nobody cares what he's doing with this arms. His head (crown of his helmet) made contact with the player first. That's why the kid was almost folded in half. It's why they use that method ... it delivers the big hit. Great hit, and I'll concede it takes big ones to come in like that and lay the lumber ... but it's very fucking dangerous, particularly for the defender.DoogieMcDoogerson said:You all are referencing the first part of the rule which is a precondition for one of the following listed at the end. did he lower his head before atacking? His arms were out ready to wrap. In any case, fucking awesome hit.
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head and shoulder hit concurrently IMO but I think he should have had his head further up which would have protected his neck. Still, I don't think it was illegal and if it was illegal it should NOT be. And pretty much the whole fucking stadium thought so too!creepycoug said:
You're trying too hard to lawyer this. Nobody cares what he's doing with this arms. His head (crown of his helmet) made contact with the player first. That's why the kid was almost folded in half. It's why they use that method ... it delivers the big hit. Great hit, and I'll concede it takes big ones to come in like that and lay the lumber ... but it's very fucking dangerous, particularly for the defender.DoogieMcDoogerson said:You all are referencing the first part of the rule which is a precondition for one of the following listed at the end. did he lower his head before atacking? His arms were out ready to wrap. In any case, fucking awesome hit.
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Great hit, fuck everyone who says otherwise.
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Taking a shit all over the grave of Curtis Williams is fun.RoadDawg55 said:Great hit, fuck everyone who says otherwise.
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You didn’t like Victory and Ruins by the Seattle Times?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Taking a shit all over the grave of Curtis Williams is fun.RoadDawg55 said:Great hit, fuck everyone who says otherwise.
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Oh, well with that information I'll have to reconsider my position.ApostleofGrief said:
head and shoulder hit concurrently IMO but I think he should have had his head further up which would have protected his neck. Still, I don't think it was illegal and if it was illegal it should NOT be. And pretty much the whole fucking stadium thought so too!creepycoug said:
You're trying too hard to lawyer this. Nobody cares what he's doing with this arms. His head (crown of his helmet) made contact with the player first. That's why the kid was almost folded in half. It's why they use that method ... it delivers the big hit. Great hit, and I'll concede it takes big ones to come in like that and lay the lumber ... but it's very fucking dangerous, particularly for the defender.DoogieMcDoogerson said:You all are referencing the first part of the rule which is a precondition for one of the following listed at the end. did he lower his head before atacking? His arms were out ready to wrap. In any case, fucking awesome hit.
This isn't an IMO thing. The top of his helmet hit the kid in the chest plate. There's really no way to do that and have your shoulders hit at the same time unless you have no neck, and he does.
If that's not targeting, they ought to just forget about it and let the players risk it. Dangerous play for the kid and simply not worth it. -
I loved it.
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Bad call. If you slow it down and go frame by frame, it's clear his head was aimed at the ball and his shoulder made 90% of the contact with the RB's chest. His helmet hit the left side of the RB and his shoulder is what sent him backward. To anyone who watches the frame-by-frame replay, it's obviously not targeting.
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fake news creepy, see the frames above. You are the one passing off your opinions as fact!creepycoug said:
Oh, well with that information I'll have to reconsider my position.ApostleofGrief said:
head and shoulder hit concurrently IMO but I think he should have had his head further up which would have protected his neck. Still, I don't think it was illegal and if it was illegal it should NOT be. And pretty much the whole fucking stadium thought so too!creepycoug said:
You're trying too hard to lawyer this. Nobody cares what he's doing with this arms. His head (crown of his helmet) made contact with the player first. That's why the kid was almost folded in half. It's why they use that method ... it delivers the big hit. Great hit, and I'll concede it takes big ones to come in like that and lay the lumber ... but it's very fucking dangerous, particularly for the defender.DoogieMcDoogerson said:You all are referencing the first part of the rule which is a precondition for one of the following listed at the end. did he lower his head before atacking? His arms were out ready to wrap. In any case, fucking awesome hit.
This isn't an IMO thing. The top of his helmet hit the kid in the chest plate. There's really no way to do that and have your shoulders hit at the same time unless you have no neck, and he does.
If that's not targeting, they ought to just forget about it and let the players risk it. Dangerous play for the kid and simply not worth it. -
Turdbuffer has it right. Those frames are the proof. Great, legal hit. Case closed. Frame 2 from turdbuffer clearly shows where his head is. Arms outreached in frame 1. Clean awesome hit. Let's hope Luke Falk gets the same hit from Jojo. GO DAWGS.
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AND EVERYBODY IN THE STADIUM KNEW IT EXCEPT THE FUCKING REFS!!!!!!!!!DoogieMcDoogerson said:Turdbuffer has it right. Those frames are the proof. Great, legal hit. Case closed. Frame 2 from turdbuffer clearly shows where his head is. Arms outreached in frame 1. Clean awesome hit. Let's hope Luke Falk gets the same hit from Jojo. GO DAWGS.
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Uw teaches this well. The earlier targeting calls this year were reversed. This was close.
We obviously want to maintain the big hit while staying legal.
