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How far do you gun grabbers want to go?
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Those scribbled out ratios put legally exercised gun ownership rights in context of illegal acts against others by use of a firearm. In the US, that is between 0.002 and 0.0047 incidences of firearm violence per admitted gun owner, annually. In the UK—though not a right but a privilege of Her Majesty's subjects, there are between 0.0031 and 0.0079 incidences per registered gun owner.2001400ex said:
Sorry. Number of gun owners. And your argument was implied.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Number of guns? Who gives a shit about that. And I made no argument. Read.2001400ex said:
A more meaningful stat is the number of gun deaths compared to total population. Not compared to the number of guns. Which is posted somewhere here the last couple days and destroys your argument.GrundleStiltzkin said:
In the UK in 2016, there were 5864 of "gun crime." I don't know if their definitions are the same as BJS, but let's say they're close. There are 735,000 registered gun owners in the UK.2001400ex said:
Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.
( (5864 / 735000) = 0.79%) - 60% recidivism) ) == 0.31%, 60% higher than the same math as for the US. -
So you are saying America needs more guns. Because the rate of gun deaths is lower per gun owner. But yet, you don't mention that the rate of gun deaths per capita is way higher in the US.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Those scribbled out ratios put legally exercised gun ownership rights in context of illegal acts against others by use of a firearm. In the US, that is between 0.002 and 0.0047 incidences of firearm violence per admitted gun owner, annually. In the UK—though not a right but a privilege of Her Majesty's subjects, there are between 0.0031 and 0.0079 incidences per registered gun owner.2001400ex said:
Sorry. Number of gun owners. And your argument was implied.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Number of guns? Who gives a shit about that. And I made no argument. Read.2001400ex said:
A more meaningful stat is the number of gun deaths compared to total population. Not compared to the number of guns. Which is posted somewhere here the last couple days and destroys your argument.GrundleStiltzkin said:
In the UK in 2016, there were 5864 of "gun crime." I don't know if their definitions are the same as BJS, but let's say they're close. There are 735,000 registered gun owners in the UK.2001400ex said:
Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.
( (5864 / 735000) = 0.79%) - 60% recidivism) ) == 0.31%, 60% higher than the same math as for the US. -
Hillary waited almost 30 seconds to say it was lucky he wasn't using a suppressor! No agenda there huh?AZDuck said:Things are getting better. The pro-gun folks moved almost immediately from "this isn't the time to talk politics in the aftermath of a tragedy," to "nothing would help anyway" in less than 48 hours.
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When it happens to you, it might as well be 10 million.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team. -
I want to keep all my guns but take away Sledog's and Race's. Just for spite.
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Imagine all the people living for today2001400ex said:
Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
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Fag.doogie said:
Imagine all the people living for today2001400ex said:
Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one -
So is my father in law 2.0. Retired from the North Platte Railroad a few years back.HuskyJW said:
My dad is from North Platte.RaceBannon said:
Classy postHuskyJW said:I would like to go on record as I am against cancer, diabetes,
AIDS, child pornography, murder, domestic violence, road rage, jaywalking, heart attacks, forest fires, racism, bigotry, gun violence and general disobedience. -
If by that you mean he's doing a solid job of pulling your dick, then yes.YellowSnow said:Race, as always, you do a solid job of playing devil's advocate...
