How far do you gun grabbers want to go?
Violent movies?
Porn?
All these are linked to violence. Just like guns. Young minds of mush are very impressionable. We get desensitized to violence. Life is cheap.
How about mass surveillance to stop crime? Pre crime enforcement?
The left loves to quote about how those who would give up freedom for safety deserve neither when it suits them. That was Ben Franklin by the way hondoFS
But when it comes to guns they gots to go, If you wonder why nobody trusts you that's why.
And I'll save you the trouble. There are right wingers who would ban my opening items as well as rap music and rock who are pro gun.
I'll take freedom.
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Classy postHuskyJW said:I would like to go on record as I am against cancer, diabetes,
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My dad is from North Platte.RaceBannon said:
Classy postHuskyJW said:I would like to go on record as I am against cancer, diabetes,
AIDS, child pornography, murder, domestic violence, road rage, jaywalking, heart attacks, forest fires, racism, bigotry, gun violence and general disobedience. -
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Pussy grabbers > gun grabbers
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Race, as always, you do a solid job of playing devil's advocate...
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
Look, I'm under no allusion that confiscating every semi automatic and/or high capacity firearm would make a huge overall dent in the number of gun deaths per year (most are from handguns anyhow) but what we got here right now ain't working. There are too many guns in circulation and the rules are way too loose. Remember, most of the population are dip shits. I'll admit, we're never going to get to, say, UK levels of gun homicides (i.e., 60 per year in a country of 60 million) for any number of reasons, but we could save a hell of a lot lives.
All of the other Western Industrialized Nations have the same violent movies, video games, porn, etc., but w/o the volume of death from guns. Is a Japanese or Scotsman is somehow less free than ourselves simply because they don't have the guns? In some ways those folks, have more Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness than ourselves. -
Courage. Post this on Facebook. Think of how many likes and awesome replies you will get. You will start a revolution.HuskyJW said:I would like to go on record as I am against cancer, diabetes,
AIDS, child pornography, murder, domestic violence, road rage, jaywalking, heart attacks, forest fires, racism, bigotry, gun violence and general disobedience.
Then you can take of a video of yourself pouring a bucket of ice water over your head. You could even take a knee while doing it. Would be pretty freaking cool man. -
Do all this in a Crossfit t-shirt to hit mega-douche status.CuntWaffle said:
Courage. Post this on Facebook. Think of how many likes and awesome replies you will get. You will start a revolution.HuskyJW said:I would like to go on record as I am against cancer, diabetes,
AIDS, child pornography, murder, domestic violence, road rage, jaywalking, heart attacks, forest fires, racism, bigotry, gun violence and general disobedience.
Then you can take of a video of yourself pouring a bucket of ice water over your head. You could even take a knee while doing it. Would be pretty freaking cool man. -
I am generally pro-pornography. Are you knew hear?
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I need a ruling here. YKW.AZDuck said:I am generally pro-pornography. Are you knew hear?
Skating in the gray zone.
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2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team. -
Highlight...copy....paste....save.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team. -
You'll have as much luck confiscating guns as we do confiscating drugs. Violence will increase not decrease.YellowSnow said:Race, as always, you do a solid job of playing devil's advocate...
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
Look, I'm under no allusion that confiscating every semi automatic and/or high capacity firearm would make a huge overall dent in the number of gun deaths per year (most are from handguns anyhow) but what we got here right now ain't working. There are too many guns in circulation and the rules are way too loose. Remember, most of the population are dip shits. I'll admit, we're never going to get to, say, UK levels of gun homicides (i.e., 60 per year in a country of 60 million) for any number of reasons, but we could save a hell of a lot lives.
All of the other Western Industrialized Nations have the same violent movies, video games, porn, etc., but w/o the volume of death from guns. Is a Japanese or Scotsman is somehow less free than ourselves simply because they don't have the guns? In some ways those folks, have more Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness than ourselves.
If you want something effective that isn't the right to trample on. Pre crime and profiling are much more effective..
the old white dude who did LV was an obvious nut bag. But we had to wait for 59 to die before we could act.
I don't give a fuck about other countries and japan isn't free because they are our bitch -
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Do all this in a Crossfit t-shirt to hit mega-douche status.CuntWaffle said:
Courage. Post this on Facebook. Think of how many likes and awesome replies you will get. You will start a revolution.HuskyJW said:I would like to go on record as I am against cancer, diabetes,
AIDS, child pornography, murder, domestic violence, road rage, jaywalking, heart attacks, forest fires, racism, bigotry, gun violence and general disobedience.
Then you can take of a video of yourself pouring a bucket of ice water over your head. You could even take a knee while doing it. Would be pretty freaking cool man. -
No love for ballbag?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
FREE PUB for @MikeDamoneSwaye said:
Do all this in a Crossfit t-shirt to hit mega-douche status.CuntWaffle said:
Courage. Post this on Facebook. Think of how many likes and awesome replies you will get. You will start a revolution.HuskyJW said:I would like to go on record as I am against cancer, diabetes,
AIDS, child pornography, murder, domestic violence, road rage, jaywalking, heart attacks, forest fires, racism, bigotry, gun violence and general disobedience.
Then you can take of a video of yourself pouring a bucket of ice water over your head. You could even take a knee while doing it. Would be pretty freaking cool man. -
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team. -
We? could have made it a lot fucking harder for the nut job to pull off that number. And let's not forget the impact on the nation's psyche and all the other related costs from mass killings vs 59 single homicides happening over the course of a year in a major US city. Not all deaths are equal in this respect.RaceBannon said:
You'll have as much luck confiscating guns as we do confiscating drugs. Violence will increase not decrease.YellowSnow said:Race, as always, you do a solid job of playing devil's advocate...
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
Look, I'm under no allusion that confiscating every semi automatic and/or high capacity firearm would make a huge overall dent in the number of gun deaths per year (most are from handguns anyhow) but what we got here right now ain't working. There are too many guns in circulation and the rules are way too loose. Remember, most of the population are dip shits. I'll admit, we're never going to get to, say, UK levels of gun homicides (i.e., 60 per year in a country of 60 million) for any number of reasons, but we could save a hell of a lot lives.
All of the other Western Industrialized Nations have the same violent movies, video games, porn, etc., but w/o the volume of death from guns. Is a Japanese or Scotsman is somehow less free than ourselves simply because they don't have the guns? In some ways those folks, have more Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness than ourselves.
If you want something effective that isn't the right to trample on. Pre crime and profiling are much more effective..
the old white dude who did LV was an obvious nut bag. But we had to wait for 59 to die before we could act.
I don't give a fuck about other countries and japan isn't free because they are our bitch
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Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team. -
2001400ex said:
Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.
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Was responding solely to your value of infringed rights. Sadly, in a country as large as ours(?), death, mayhem and evil must be reduced to statistics and probabilities at some point. When something becomes a national policy discussion, it must be evaluated at a national scale.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team. -
Agree.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Was responding solely to your value of infringed rights. Sadly, in a country as large as ours(?), death, mayhem and evil must be reduced to statistics and probabilities at some point. When something becomes a national policy discussion, it must be evaluated at a national scale.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team. -
You can buy an assault truck, Dodge Hellcat, huge pick-ups etc. Your car can go really fast much faster than you need to go. If we wanted to save lives in the auto industry we'd outlaw large assault trucks, vans and Semi's. All cars will need large airbags on the front sides and rear as well as bumpers that scrape the ground so you can't run anyone over. Passenger vehicles can have no more horsepower than required to do 5mph and hold no more than 2 people. That way fewer can die in accidents.2001400ex said:
Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.
That will reduce vehicle deaths and assaults.
Still want to drive ? -
No one is saying we should have those equivalent restrictions on guns. Dumbass.Sledog said:
You can buy an assault truck, Dodge Hellcat, huge pick-ups etc. Your car can go really fast much faster than you need to go. If we wanted to save lives in the auto industry we'd outlaw large assault trucks, vans and Semi's. All cars will need large airbags on the front sides and rear as well as bumpers that scrape the ground so you can't run anyone over. Passenger vehicles can have no more horsepower than required to do 5mph and hold no more than 2 people. That way fewer can die in accidents.2001400ex said:
Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.
That will reduce vehicle deaths and assaults.
Still want to drive ? -
Yes you are you dumbass!2001400ex said:
No one is saying we should have those equivalent restrictions on guns. Dumbass.Sledog said:
You can buy an assault truck, Dodge Hellcat, huge pick-ups etc. Your car can go really fast much faster than you need to go. If we wanted to save lives in the auto industry we'd outlaw large assault trucks, vans and Semi's. All cars will need large airbags on the front sides and rear as well as bumpers that scrape the ground so you can't run anyone over. Passenger vehicles can have no more horsepower than required to do 5mph and hold no more than 2 people. That way fewer can die in accidents.2001400ex said:
Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.
That will reduce vehicle deaths and assaults.
Still want to drive ?
All this we have to try crap is BS. Everything until now in the gun control world would stop homicides. None of it has worked. Yet you want more of the same shit that don't work. Because we have to try something.
You know what works? Putting criminals in jail and putting crazy people in mental hospitals. That's what works. 3 strikes worked and crime in Cali dropped hard. It's all but abandoned and 50,000 felons, many dangerous have been released from prison by the feel good left. Watch crime climb.
We used to have large mental hospitals where nuts were kept. Courts in the 60's said many weren't that crazy you have to let them go. Now those people walk the streets and do indeed snap. It would be interesting to see how many prescriptions there are for the heavy anti-psychotic drugs for non hospitalized nuts there are. -
Things are getting better. The pro-gun folks moved almost immediately from "this isn't the time to talk politics in the aftermath of a tragedy," to "nothing would help anyway" in less than 48 hours.
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And the gun grabbers were out before the bodies cooled
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In the UK in 2016, there were 5864 of "gun crime." I don't know if their definitions are the same as BJS, but let's say they're close. There are 735,000 registered gun owners in the UK.2001400ex said:
Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.
( (5864 / 735000) = 0.79%) - 60% recidivism) ) == 0.31%, 60% higher than the same math as for the US. -
A more meaningful stat is the number of gun deaths compared to total population. Not compared to the number of guns. Which is posted somewhere here the last couple days and destroys your argument.GrundleStiltzkin said:
In the UK in 2016, there were 5864 of "gun crime." I don't know if their definitions are the same as BJS, but let's say they're close. There are 735,000 registered gun owners in the UK.2001400ex said:
Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.
( (5864 / 735000) = 0.79%) - 60% recidivism) ) == 0.31%, 60% higher than the same math as for the US. -
Number of guns? Who gives a shit about that. And I made no argument. Read.2001400ex said:
A more meaningful stat is the number of gun deaths compared to total population. Not compared to the number of guns. Which is posted somewhere here the last couple days and destroys your argument.GrundleStiltzkin said:
In the UK in 2016, there were 5864 of "gun crime." I don't know if their definitions are the same as BJS, but let's say they're close. There are 735,000 registered gun owners in the UK.2001400ex said:
Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.
( (5864 / 735000) = 0.79%) - 60% recidivism) ) == 0.31%, 60% higher than the same math as for the US. -
Sorry. Number of gun owners. And your argument was implied.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Number of guns? Who gives a shit about that. And I made no argument. Read.2001400ex said:
A more meaningful stat is the number of gun deaths compared to total population. Not compared to the number of guns. Which is posted somewhere here the last couple days and destroys your argument.GrundleStiltzkin said:
In the UK in 2016, there were 5864 of "gun crime." I don't know if their definitions are the same as BJS, but let's say they're close. There are 735,000 registered gun owners in the UK.2001400ex said:
Imagine how many more car deaths there would be without airbags, seat belts, etc. Imagine how many more deaths from guns there would be if we allowed fully automatic weapons, you could buy guns anywhere, you could bring guns into bars, etc.YellowSnow said:
Don't disagree with your statistical analysis Grundle. 10,000 to 12,000 dying a year on average is still a yuge number and the stats aren't of much use for them. It's not anyone of is statistically likely to kill someone with our cars and yet 30,000 or so of us die a year in car accidents and we heavily regulate the transportation segment to try and save lives.GrundleStiltzkin said:
2011, 478,400 violent crimes involving a firearm.YellowSnow said:
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness will always be a balancing act- i.e., your rights end when you infringe upon mine. Right now, the scales are tilted way too far in favor of the right's of gun owners (legal and otherwise).
No solid numbers on firearm ownership, but call it 100,000,000 owners.
478,400 / 100,000,000 == 0.47%.
Bring in recidivism rates (~60%) as an arbitrary metric to remove a single "owner" committing multiple crimes in a year, and that comes down to around 0.20% of gun owners unlawfully chinfringing on another's rights.
About the same odds of a high school football player making a NFL team.
( (5864 / 735000) = 0.79%) - 60% recidivism) ) == 0.31%, 60% higher than the same math as for the US.
