Do they actually believe their own lie?
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No media outrage or coverage beyond Phoenix tv stations and AZ Republic over unarmed white kid who was mowed down on Mesa hotel by jittery vet cop. It does not fit the narrative
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It's going to be hard to make progress and have productive conversations in today's political climate. Until people stop making shit up that isn't true, such as "only white people can be racist, because they have the power" and other bullshit, nonsense like that inherently racist idea, good people will withdraw from the efforts to bring people together and hope for the best. I'm not going to engage with people who accuse me of being privileged, a white supremacist, a Nazi, or sexist because I don't agree with their narrow-minded political views. Life's just too short to waste time placating delusional people.
Pile on the Patriarchy, micro-aggressions, the word police, the 100+ pronouns for people who can't decide what gender they are today, and it can't be shocking that people say things that sound racist or just plain indifferent to the plight of the truly needy, the truly oppressed, the true victims of racism, etc. What the fuck can the average person do, black, white, Asian, or other, to help those less fortunate when all they get for their efforts to do the right thing is kicked in the teeth repeatedly while being berated for their skin color, because they had good parents, or because they believe in guns, personal responsibility and small government. Or any other non-orthodox political belief that isn't trending on Facebook or CNN this week.
By now, the NFL taking a knee is practically meaningless. No, it's not the same as the Black Power salute at the '68 Olympics. That took real courage. The NFL doing what Garfield HS did more than a year ago is not courage. It's just populism and subtle coercion so they can feel like they're doing something about a problem they care about. But what's going to change when people retreat to their ideological corners screaming I'm right, you're wrong, I'm good, you're bad, I'm oppressed, you're privileged, etc? Answer: Not a fucking thing. -
Single motherhood? Poverty? The government pays more if you're a single mother that is what destroyed the black family. Poverty? Poverty shouldn't beHippopeteamus said:
Eh...That chart is meaningless when looking at the percentage of population by race. You would need to look at the percentage of police encounters by race. And to draw any real conclusion about that data, you would need to look at the percentage of crimes committed by race. And you would probably have to consider the kinds of crimes committed, how much of the shootings take place in known gang territory. The more likely answer, than what BLM is protesting or Colin Kappernick, is that police are too aggressive, militaristic, and basically are just as likely to shoot every race (not every cop, I am sure there are racists cops, but that data alone would not show a systemic racism problem).AZDuck said:
I have no idea why people are upset
Edit: Oddly enough, there is a similar statistical problem arises in just looking at the number of violent crimes committed by race. You see white supremacist use those crime number to try and show how black Americans are more violent. Yet those stats are also meaningless unless you consider other factors like rate of single mother hood and poverty. The above chart is sort of similar, but in reverse.
Grabbed this from a friend I have not confirmed the numbers.AZDuck said:
I have no idea why people are upset
The FBI released its official crime tally for 2016 today, and the data flies in the face of the rhetoric that professional athletes rehearsed in revived Black Lives Matter protests over the weekend. Nearly 900 additional blacks were killed in 2016 compared with 2015, bringing the black homicide-victim total to 7,881. Those 7,881 “black bodies,” in the parlance of Ta-Nehisi Coates, are 1,305 more than the number of white victims (which in this case includes most Hispanics) for the same period, though blacks are only 13 percent of the nation’s population. The increase in black homicide deaths last year comes on top of a previous 900-victim increase between 2014 and 2015.
Who is killing these black victims? Not whites, and not the police, but other blacks. In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous, according to the Washington Post. The Post categorized only 16 black male victims of police shootings as “unarmed.” That classification masks assaults against officers and violent resistance to arrest. Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer. Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. That 18.5 ratio undoubtedly worsened in 2016, in light of the 53 percent increase in gun murders of officers—committed vastly and disproportionately by black males. Among all homicide suspects whose race was known, white killers of blacks numbered only 243.
Violent crime has now risen by a significant amount for two consecutive years. The total number of violent crimes rose 4.1 percent in 2016, and estimated homicides rose 8.6 percent. In 2015, violent crime rose by nearly 4 percent and estimated homicides by nearly 11 percent. The last time violence rose two years in a row was 2005–06. The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect. Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened. Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 am, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it. Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.
Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection. -
holy wall of text batman
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Holy shit my dad just posted this same shit on Facebook. OLD RICH WHITE PEOPLE, STOp.Sledog said:
Single motherhood? Poverty? The government pays more if you're a single mother that is what destroyed the black family. Poverty? Poverty shouldn't beHippopeteamus said:
Eh...That chart is meaningless when looking at the percentage of population by race. You would need to look at the percentage of police encounters by race. And to draw any real conclusion about that data, you would need to look at the percentage of crimes committed by race. And you would probably have to consider the kinds of crimes committed, how much of the shootings take place in known gang territory. The more likely answer, than what BLM is protesting or Colin Kappernick, is that police are too aggressive, militaristic, and basically are just as likely to shoot every race (not every cop, I am sure there are racists cops, but that data alone would not show a systemic racism problem).AZDuck said:
I have no idea why people are upset
Edit: Oddly enough, there is a similar statistical problem arises in just looking at the number of violent crimes committed by race. You see white supremacist use those crime number to try and show how black Americans are more violent. Yet those stats are also meaningless unless you consider other factors like rate of single mother hood and poverty. The above chart is sort of similar, but in reverse.
Grabbed this from a friend I have not confirmed the numbers.AZDuck said:
I have no idea why people are upset
The FBI released its official crime tally for 2016 today, and the data flies in the face of the rhetoric that professional athletes rehearsed in revived Black Lives Matter protests over the weekend. Nearly 900 additional blacks were killed in 2016 compared with 2015, bringing the black homicide-victim total to 7,881. Those 7,881 “black bodies,” in the parlance of Ta-Nehisi Coates, are 1,305 more than the number of white victims (which in this case includes most Hispanics) for the same period, though blacks are only 13 percent of the nation’s population. The increase in black homicide deaths last year comes on top of a previous 900-victim increase between 2014 and 2015.
Who is killing these black victims? Not whites, and not the police, but other blacks. In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous, according to the Washington Post. The Post categorized only 16 black male victims of police shootings as “unarmed.” That classification masks assaults against officers and violent resistance to arrest. Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer. Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. That 18.5 ratio undoubtedly worsened in 2016, in light of the 53 percent increase in gun murders of officers—committed vastly and disproportionately by black males. Among all homicide suspects whose race was known, white killers of blacks numbered only 243.
Violent crime has now risen by a significant amount for two consecutive years. The total number of violent crimes rose 4.1 percent in 2016, and estimated homicides rose 8.6 percent. In 2015, violent crime rose by nearly 4 percent and estimated homicides by nearly 11 percent. The last time violence rose two years in a row was 2005–06. The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect. Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened. Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 am, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it. Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.
Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.
They aren't protesting black on black crime or white on black, they're specifically protesting crimes by cops against black people, which of course this article (and it's agenda) conveniently leave out.
I'm fine with people disagreeing with how they protest. It makes me a little uncomfortable.
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No, it's an out of control clusterfuck. All we see are rich black men on their knees submitting
Every interview yields a different message.
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You seem to be obsessed with the fact that they have money.doogie said:No, it's an out of control clusterfuck. All we see are rich black men on their knees submitting
Every interview yields a different message.
Not a strong look
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Shut up and pick mah cotton, darkie
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Not one team has a coherent message not one single interviewee matches a second interview e regarding what they're supposedly protesting.
YouTube is filled with conflicting videos can you find three videos that match of three NFL players that represent their entire team?
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Imechukua hii kutoka kwa rafiki sijawahakikishia idadi.doogie said:sure.
FBI ilitoa uhalifu wake rasmi kwa 2016 leo, na data inapita kwa uso wa rhetoric kwamba wanariadha wa kitaaluma walielezea katika maandamano ya kufufuka ya Black Lives Matter mwishoni mwa wiki. Waandishi wa karibu zaidi ya 900 waliuawa mwaka 2016 ikilinganishwa na 2015, na kuleta jumla ya wasio na mauaji ya wauaji 7881. Wale 7,881 "miili nyeusi," katika mshikamano wa Ta-Neisi Coates, ni zaidi ya 1,305 zaidi ya idadi ya waathirika wa rangi nyeupe (ambayo kwa sasa inajumuisha wengi Hispanics) kwa kipindi hicho, ingawa wazungu ni asilimia 13 tu ya idadi ya taifa. Ongezeko la vifo vya nyeusi vya kuuawa mwaka jana linakuja juu ya ongezeko la waathirika 900 kati ya 2014 na 2015.
Nani anawaua waathirikawa mweusi? Sio wazungu, na sio polisi, lakini wengine weusi. Mnamo mwaka wa 2016, polisi walipiga risasi nyeusi 233, wengi wenye silaha na hatari, kulingana na Washington Post. Machapisho yaliyoandikwa baada ya machafuko ya watuhumiwa 16 wa wavulana wa rangi ya polisi walikuwa "wasio na silaha." Uainishaji huo unashambulia maafisa dhidi ya maafisa na upinzani wa ukatili kukamatwa. Kinyume na hadithi ya Maisha ya Njaa, polisi wana zaidi ya hofu kutoka kwa wanaume mweusi kuliko wanaume mweusi wanaogopa kutoka kwa polisi. Mwaka 2015, afisa wa polisi alikuwa na uwezekano wa kuuawa mara 18.5 na mwanamume mweusi kuliko mwanamume mweusi aliyepigana na silaha alipaswa kuuawa na afisa wa polisi. Wanaume wa rangi wamefanya asilimia 42 ya wauaji wote wa polisi katika miaka kumi iliyopita, ingawa ni asilimia 6 tu ya idadi ya watu. Hiyo uwiano wa 18.5 bila shaka ni mbaya zaidi mwaka 2016, kutokana na ongezeko la asilimia 53 ya mauaji ya maafisa wa maafisa-walifanya kwa kiasi kikubwa na kwa kiasi kikubwa na wanaume mweusi. Miongoni mwa watuhumiwa wote wa mauaji ambao mbio yao ilikuwa inayojulikana, wauaji nyeupe wa weusi walihesabu 243 tu.
Uhalifu wa ukatili umeongezeka kwa kiasi kikubwa kwa miaka miwili mfululizo. Idadi ya uhalifu wa kiharusi iliongezeka asilimia 4.1 mwaka 2016, na makadirio ya kuuawa yaliongezeka asilimia 8.6. Mnamo mwaka 2015, uhalifu wa vurugu uliongezeka kwa karibu asilimia 4 na makadirio ya kuuawa kwa karibu asilimia 11. Wakati wa mwisho wa vurugu uliongezeka kwa miaka miwili mfululizo ulikuwa 2005-06. Sababu ya ongezeko la sasa ni yale niliyoiita Ferguson Effect. Cops ni kuunga mkono uendeshaji wa polisi katika vitongoji vya uhalifu wa juu, na wahalifu wanajitokeza. Baada ya kuambiwa bila kudumu na wanasiasa, waandishi wa habari, na wanaharakati wa Black Lives Matter kwamba wao ni kubwa kwa kupata nje ya magari yao na kuhoji mtu kupoteza kona inayojulikana ya madawa ya kulevya saa 2 asubuhi, maafisa wengi badala yake wanaendesha gari. Hatua hizo ni busara; askari hawapaswi kuwafanya. Na wakati wajumbe wa kisiasa wanapotosha polisi kwa polisi hiyo ya ufanisi, hatupaswi kushangaa wakati wapo kupata ujumbe na kufanya kidogo. Asilimia sabini na mbili ya maofisa wa taifa wanasema kuwa wao na wenzake sasa hawana nia ya kuacha na kuhoji watu wasiwasi, kulingana na uchaguzi wa Pew Utafiti uliotolewa Januari. Sababu ni hali ya hewa ya kupambana na wapiganaji inayoendelea.
Masomo manne yalitolewa mwaka 2016 peke yake akiwa na uamuzi wa kuwa risasi ya polisi ni ya kibinafsi. Ikiwa kuna ubaguzi katika kupigwa kwa polisi, inafanya kazi kwa wapenzi na wazungu. Ukweli huo hauwazuia madhehebu inayoendelea ya polisi-ikiwa ni pamoja na, sasa, na wanariadha wengi wasiojua wa nchi. Njia hiyo itaonekana, kama ilivyo, katika mji wa ndani, na maelfu ya watu wanaoishi sheria ambao hutaka ulinzi zaidi wa polisi.
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I don't blame you for going full retard after that display
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It's tragic when law enforcement uses lethal force in error (humans are not perfect and make mistakes) when dealing with unarmed, non dangerous suspects, black or white. For the armed and dangerous one (the overwhelming majority killed by cops) I don't give a flying fuck about; they are lost causes at that point.
The protests don't sit well with me for 2 reasons:
1- They are protesting about a statistically insignificant number of fatalities; I'm not saying that it's not tragic as hell and that those officers shouldn't face justice when the evidence bears this out (Mike Brown by the way was a terrible choice of martyr for the BLM movement) so don't twist. But all this obfuscates the issue that I care a lot more which is why do Blacks have far more interactions with law enforcement in the first place. The conversation should be about what policies can help improve outcomes for Black America; the tragedy for me of Mike Brown is how he got the point in life of thinking it's ok to steal from a liquor store.
2- The goal of any protest movement should be to gain sympathy for your cause, not alienate potential supporters. Whether or not the kneelers have a point, disrespect of the flag is counter productive and don't win heats and minds. -
The amount of white guilt on this bored is disturbing. Actually went to, and graduated from, UW and literally the only thing about that campus that makes me proud is the football team. The alumni are mostly a bunch of fucking morons.
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Nice alumni status bragging.BleachedAnusDawg said:The amount of white guilt on this bored is disturbing. Actually went to, and graduated from, UW and literally the only thing about that campus that makes me proud is the football team. The alumni are mostly a bunch of fucking morons.
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Wait. This isn't a UW Alumni Bored?RedRocket said:
Nice alumni status bragging.BleachedAnusDawg said:The amount of white guilt on this bored is disturbing. Actually went to, and graduated from, UW and literally the only thing about that campus that makes me proud is the football team. The alumni are mostly a bunch of fucking morons.
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A very high percentage of UW "alumni" went to Green Lake or Bellevue colleges.
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Northgate State, you foreigner.AZDuck said:A very high percentage of UW "alumni" went to Green Lake or Bellevue colleges.
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It wasn't pretty but I graduated from THE University of Washington.AZDuck said:A very high percentage of UW "alumni" went to Green Lake or Bellevue colleges.
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Roosevelt graduate school.TurdBuffer said:
Northgate State, you foreigner.AZDuck said:A very high percentage of UW "alumni" went to Green Lake or Bellevue colleges.
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Things losers say when they lost their argument.doogie said:I don't blame you for going full retard after that display