Mora Proponents
1) Why would he abandon a very lucrative contract, I think around $2,000,000.00 for about the same salary?
2) Why would he return to the UW when it has a completely different cast of characters than when he played here? Not to mention, he is hardly even going to be in the same facilities. Hardly anything at all remains from his era save the Montlake overpass.
3) Why, after recruiting heavily and seemingly well for UCLA, would he put himself in the position to coach against his recruits?
4) Why, when it is so difficult to be a successful head football coach, after he has found success in a high profile, top notch program, would he abandon it?
5) Why would he return to a metropolitan area in which 99% of football fans remember him exclusively for being a fired, middling Seahawks coach?
6) And the big question is: Does anybody really believe that having played for Don James and going to the UW will result in a better performance than another candidate?
I WANT ANSWERS! I don't want bombs and bullshit. You keep posting Mora this, Mora that, but you are living in fantasyland.
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So you're saying he's doing such a good job at UCLA that he'll never come here but we shouldn't want him anyway because he played for James
You're fucking retarded on this issue, dude. IMALOSER territory -
Should have made a tl;dr disclaimer at the end "He has a CONTRACT!"
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well, look, you think like a fan, but it is not connected to what looks like reality.RaceBannon said:So you're saying he's doing such a good job at UCLA that he'll never come here but we shouldn't want him anyway because he played for James
You're fucking retarded on this issue, dude. IMALOSER territory
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I'm with you, actually. I think the Mora-to-UW ship has sailed. You know who played for and got their start in coaching at the University of Oregon?
Jim McKay.
You know who else?
John Robinson.
And...
George Seifert.
And...
Chris Petersen.
I don't think any of those guys think of themselves as Ducks anymore. I think that if Mora makes a name for himself coaching at UCLA, he's gonna be a Bruin FO LIFE. -
1. If UW isn't going to beat that contract then we won't be hiring anybody worth a damn. $2 million is nothing special for a coach in the post Pac12 TV contract world.
I assume UW should be able to pay him $3 to $3.5 million per year, easily. And based on what we've seen of late, UW will give him much more money to pay assistants than he's been given at UCLA.
2. WTF does this have to do with anything? I left Seattle in 95, hardly anything is the same. Mariners have a new stadium, Seahawks have a new stadium, Sonics no longer exist, Huskies have a rebuilt stadium. None of that means I no longer want to return. Jake Almighty man, the dude lived in the city two years ago. He grew up in Seattle. This is the dumbest question on a list of dumb questions.
3. Because a) money talks b) he loves his alma mater and c) he knows with USC set to return to dominance in LA, Washington has greater long term potential than UCLA does.
4. You keep asking the same question in different ways. People leave successful jobs for more money all the time.
5. Because he loves this metro area? Because he wants to change his reputation in this metro area? Because most people realize he only had one year with the Seahawks? BECAUSE HE"S FROM HERE?
6. No. We've answered this for you a million times. There's a reason we're not hot to trot for Gary Pinkel. There's a reason no other Don James connected coach or UW alum ever appears on any of our lists. We're not after Mora because he's a UW alum.
There's your answers. I'm sure you'll still be PeopleMuncherFS enough to ignore all of them and keep cursing the imaginary chasing of the ghost of Don James. -
Preamble: your premise is flawed. nobody with any credibility on this board has argued that he's coming. that's a prediction. people who favor Mora just want him, and some of them suppose he wants to be here. very different positions. but i'll play anyway.ApostleofGrief said:What I don't understand about you guys who think Mora is headed up here can be narrowed down to these questions:
1) Why would he abandon a very lucrative contract, I think around $2,000,000.00 for about the same salary?
2) Why would he return to the UW when it has a completely different cast of characters than when he played here? Not to mention, he is hardly even going to be in the same facilities. Hardly anything at all remains from his era save the Montlake overpass.
3) Why, after recruiting heavily and seemingly well for UCLA, would he put himself in the position to coach against his recruits?
4) Why, when it is so difficult to be a successful head football coach, after he has found success in a high profile, top notch program, would he abandon it?
5) Why would he return to a metropolitan area in which 99% of football fans remember him exclusively for being a fired, middling Seahawks coach?
6) And the big question is: Does anybody really believe that having played for Don James and going to the UW will result in a better performance than another candidate?
I WANT ANSWERS! I don't want bombs and bullshit. You keep posting Mora this, Mora that, but you are living in fantasyland.
1. for less than or equal to the same? maybe he wouldn't. for more? maybe he would.
2. that's irrelevant. why does Michael Irvin and 50 other ex-Hurricanes flash the U and go down there every chance they can get to try and help that program return to relevancy? why do they care? the cast of characters has changed.
3. that's just part of the gig. if that kept people from moving, nobody would ever move.
4. good question. maybe he wouldn't. nobody but him really knows.
5. something tells me Mora doesn't have the same desperate need to be liked as Sark does. something also tells me Mora probably doesn't give two shyts what people on the Sammamish Plateau think about anything.
6. no. they think he can coach, and based on what he's doing with UCLA, it appears they may be right. I was one who thought he'd never be able to stomach the recruiting process and that he'd be shitty at it. it appears I was wrong.
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I've been clear that 2007 was the time. That was the moment. We need a new coach now and he is unlikely. Get the fuck over it
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who has credibility on this bored?creepycoug said:
Preamble: your premise is flawed. nobody with any credibility on this board has argued that he's coming. that's a prediction. people who favor Mora just want him, and some of them suppose he wants to be here. very different positions. but i'll play anyway.ApostleofGrief said:What I don't understand about you guys who think Mora is headed up here can be narrowed down to these questions:
1) Why would he abandon a very lucrative contract, I think around $2,000,000.00 for about the same salary?
2) Why would he return to the UW when it has a completely different cast of characters than when he played here? Not to mention, he is hardly even going to be in the same facilities. Hardly anything at all remains from his era save the Montlake overpass.
3) Why, after recruiting heavily and seemingly well for UCLA, would he put himself in the position to coach against his recruits?
4) Why, when it is so difficult to be a successful head football coach, after he has found success in a high profile, top notch program, would he abandon it?
5) Why would he return to a metropolitan area in which 99% of football fans remember him exclusively for being a fired, middling Seahawks coach?
6) And the big question is: Does anybody really believe that having played for Don James and going to the UW will result in a better performance than another candidate?
I WANT ANSWERS! I don't want bombs and bullshit. You keep posting Mora this, Mora that, but you are living in fantasyland.
1. for less than or equal to the same? maybe he wouldn't. for more? maybe he would.
2. that's irrelevant. why does Michael Irvin and 50 other ex-Hurricanes flash the U and go down there every chance they can get to try and help that program return to relevancy? why do they care? the cast of characters has changed.
3. that's just part of the gig. if that kept people from moving, nobody would ever move.
4. good question. maybe he wouldn't. nobody but him really knows.
5. something tells me Mora doesn't have the same desperate need to be liked as Sark does. something also tells me Mora probably doesn't give two shyts what people on the Sammamish Plateau think about anything.
6. no. they think he can coach, and based on what he's doing with UCLA, it appears they may be right. I was one who thought he'd never be able to stomach the recruiting process and that he'd be shitty at it. it appears I was wrong.
Most posters here, Huskie fans, see Mora as a savior and secretly hope he will arrive and recreate the Don James era. They aren't interested much in the problems with the idea. They aren't going to come out and say that, but it is not hard to read between the lines. -
I think he's saying that because Mora is doing such a good job at UCLA, there's no reason to think that he would do a good job at UW, even if he wanted to, which he doesn't. Lots of convolution to pack into six questions, but the interrogator WANTS ANSWERS which, of course, means that he doesn't.RaceBannon said:So you're saying he's doing such a good job at UCLA that he'll never come here but we shouldn't want him anyway because he played for James
You're fucking retarded on this issue, dude. IMALOSER territory
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Considering that Mora turned down our offer in 2008, coupled with the success he's had at UCLA so far, I don't think he'd come to UW either, unless we at least doubled his salary. Not so much that he needs the money, because I doubt he does after the ATL/SEA buyouts, but that it would give him a legit reason publicly to make the move.
My hunch is Chianti Dan will fuck it up eventually and Mora will end up back in the NFL as a HC someday.
With that being said, I still think Mora is the 1st guy you contact, just to cover your bases. You never know until you ask.
Then, I would offer Tim DeRuyter the job immediately. -
look, you don't have to answer unless you are a Mora proponent. A lot of people here seem to be holding on to the harebrained idea that he would ditch UCLA for the UW, but they never seem to pay much attention to the problems, which I outlined in the form of questions.Tailgater said:
I think he's saying that because Mora is doing such a good job at UCLA, there's no reason to think that he would do a good job at UW, even if he wanted to, which he doesn't. Lots of convolution to pack into six questions, but the interrogator WANTS ANSWERS which, of course, means that he doesn't.RaceBannon said:So you're saying he's doing such a good job at UCLA that he'll never come here but we shouldn't want him anyway because he played for James
You're fucking retarded on this issue, dude. IMALOSER territory -
1. I do.ApostleofGrief said:
who has credibility on this bored?creepycoug said:
Preamble: your premise is flawed. nobody with any credibility on this board has argued that he's coming. that's a prediction. people who favor Mora just want him, and some of them suppose he wants to be here. very different positions. but i'll play anyway.ApostleofGrief said:What I don't understand about you guys who think Mora is headed up here can be narrowed down to these questions:
1) Why would he abandon a very lucrative contract, I think around $2,000,000.00 for about the same salary?
2) Why would he return to the UW when it has a completely different cast of characters than when he played here? Not to mention, he is hardly even going to be in the same facilities. Hardly anything at all remains from his era save the Montlake overpass.
3) Why, after recruiting heavily and seemingly well for UCLA, would he put himself in the position to coach against his recruits?
4) Why, when it is so difficult to be a successful head football coach, after he has found success in a high profile, top notch program, would he abandon it?
5) Why would he return to a metropolitan area in which 99% of football fans remember him exclusively for being a fired, middling Seahawks coach?
6) And the big question is: Does anybody really believe that having played for Don James and going to the UW will result in a better performance than another candidate?
I WANT ANSWERS! I don't want bombs and bullshit. You keep posting Mora this, Mora that, but you are living in fantasyland.
1. for less than or equal to the same? maybe he wouldn't. for more? maybe he would.
2. that's irrelevant. why does Michael Irvin and 50 other ex-Hurricanes flash the U and go down there every chance they can get to try and help that program return to relevancy? why do they care? the cast of characters has changed.
3. that's just part of the gig. if that kept people from moving, nobody would ever move.
4. good question. maybe he wouldn't. nobody but him really knows.
5. something tells me Mora doesn't have the same desperate need to be liked as Sark does. something also tells me Mora probably doesn't give two shyts what people on the Sammamish Plateau think about anything.
6. no. they think he can coach, and based on what he's doing with UCLA, it appears they may be right. I was one who thought he'd never be able to stomach the recruiting process and that he'd be shitty at it. it appears I was wrong.
Most posters here, Huskie fans, see Mora as a savior and secretly hope he will arrive and recreate the Don James era. They aren't interested much in the problems with the idea. They aren't going to come out and say that, but it is not hard to read between the lines.
b. They see him as a guy we should have, and perhaps could have (depending on the poster), hired instead of Sarkesian.
I really don't think the average Mora supporter is on the edge of his seat waiting for UW to make an overture to Mora. I think most of them think that ship sailed.
You asked a series of questions that dealt with the obstacles. I don't think there are a whole lot here who posit that there are no obstacles. The obstacles you listed are either not real obstacles or they are obstacles that can be overcome.
one of your points had some weight with me: if he's doing well at UCLA, with all its inherent advantages, why would he leave to take over a project? how much weight can nostalgia carry? is living in Westwood on his budget just as nice, or nicer, than living here? does he really want to be in Seattle over where he is now (more easily answered if he's in some shit hole)?
nobody who isn't very, very close to him knows the answer to those questions. so, of course, what you're going to get is supposition. -
Offering a guy a year late after he got 5 million to coach in the NFL is irrelevant to what he might do now, other than showing how retarded the UW admin is, which is the best reason to stay away for any coach. Like Urban Meyer saying Todd Turner was "strange"Joe Stephanson said:Considering that Mora turned down our offer in 2008, coupled with the success he's had at UCLA so far, I don't think he'd come to UW either, unless we at least doubled his salary. Not so much that he needs the money, because I doubt he does after the ATL/SEA buyouts, but that it would give him a legit reason publicly to make the move.
My hunch is Chianti Dan will fuck it up eventually and Mora will end up back in the NFL as a HC someday.
With that being said, I still think Mora is the 1st guy you contact, just to cover your bases. You never know until you ask.
Then, I would offer Tim DeRuyter the job immediately.
No shit he was strange. Nothing much has changed on that.
But no, Mora isn't coming here even if Sark does get fired. Which he probably won't anyway,
Mora is what we call a "doog identifier" The butt hurt over the mere mention of his name 6 years after he undercut the beloved Ty Willingham is impossible for doogs to hide. Doogs started when Mora was coaching the Hawks with their nonsense.
Watching Mora kick their ass Friday was nice. We should all get used to it. The doogs won - Mora will stay at UCLA and we'll stay at 7 wins.
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The administration will not hire Mora, period. If they did, that means Race was right. No way do they want that to happen.
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creepycoug said:
1. I do.ApostleofGrief said:
who has credibility on this bored?creepycoug said:
Preamble: your premise is flawed. nobody with any credibility on this board has argued that he's coming. that's a prediction. people who favor Mora just want him, and some of them suppose he wants to be here. very different positions. but i'll play anyway.ApostleofGrief said:What I don't understand about you guys who think Mora is headed up here can be narrowed down to these questions:
1) Why would he abandon a very lucrative contract, I think around $2,000,000.00 for about the same salary?
2) Why would he return to the UW when it has a completely different cast of characters than when he played here? Not to mention, he is hardly even going to be in the same facilities. Hardly anything at all remains from his era save the Montlake overpass.
3) Why, after recruiting heavily and seemingly well for UCLA, would he put himself in the position to coach against his recruits?
4) Why, when it is so difficult to be a successful head football coach, after he has found success in a high profile, top notch program, would he abandon it?
5) Why would he return to a metropolitan area in which 99% of football fans remember him exclusively for being a fired, middling Seahawks coach?
6) And the big question is: Does anybody really believe that having played for Don James and going to the UW will result in a better performance than another candidate?
I WANT ANSWERS! I don't want bombs and bullshit. You keep posting Mora this, Mora that, but you are living in fantasyland.
1. for less than or equal to the same? maybe he wouldn't. for more? maybe he would.
2. that's irrelevant. why does Michael Irvin and 50 other ex-Hurricanes flash the U and go down there every chance they can get to try and help that program return to relevancy? why do they care? the cast of characters has changed.
3. that's just part of the gig. if that kept people from moving, nobody would ever move.
4. good question. maybe he wouldn't. nobody but him really knows.
5. something tells me Mora doesn't have the same desperate need to be liked as Sark does. something also tells me Mora probably doesn't give two shyts what people on the Sammamish Plateau think about anything.
6. no. they think he can coach, and based on what he's doing with UCLA, it appears they may be right. I was one who thought he'd never be able to stomach the recruiting process and that he'd be shitty at it. it appears I was wrong.
Most posters here, Huskie fans, see Mora as a savior and secretly hope he will arrive and recreate the Don James era. They aren't interested much in the problems with the idea. They aren't going to come out and say that, but it is not hard to read between the lines.
b. They see him as a guy we should have, and perhaps could have (depending on the poster), hired instead of Sarkesian.
I really don't think the average Mora supporter is on the edge of his seat waiting for UW to make an overture to Mora. I think most of them think that ship sailed.
You asked a series of questions that dealt with the obstacles. I don't think there are a whole lot here who posit that there are no obstacles. The obstacles you listed are either not real obstacles or they are obstacles that can be overcome.
one of your points had some weight with me: if he's doing well at UCLA, with all its inherent advantages, why would he leave to take over a project? how much weight can nostalgia carry? is living in Westwood on his budget just as nice, or nicer, than living here? does he really want to be in Seattle over where he is now (more easily answered if he's in some shit hole)?
nobody who isn't very, very close to him knows the answer to those questions. so, of course, what you're going to get is supposition.
well, whoever setup firecoachsark.com has Mora first on the list of his candidates. I suspect a great many posters, including me to a little extent, think if he came back it would be like Don James all over again. What people need to do is stop the fantasy thinking and return to reality.
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Bear Bryant had Texas A&M on the top of the college football world. People were incredulous when he announced in 1958 that he was leaving everything at A&M to return to coach at his alma mater, the struggling University of Alabama. When interviewed by the local NBC affiliate, Bryant stated: "I left Texas A&M because my school called me. Mama called, and when Mama calls, then you just have to come running."
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sure, it could happen.... Mora could show up.... anything could happen.... but I think Bryant was at A&M for several years and had established himself well in college football. Mora is still getting going and trying to establish himself in the realm of cfb.Gladstone said:Bear Bryant had Texas A&M on the top of the college football world. People were incredulous when he announced in 1958 that he was leaving everything at A&M to return to coach at his alma mater, the struggling University of Alabama. When interviewed by the local NBC affiliate, Bryant stated: "I left Texas A&M because my school called me. Mama called, and when Mama calls, then you just have to come running."
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Is this guy for real?
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Eddie Vanderdoes sure would have looked good in Purple.
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DNC you are so correct. I left in 2001, now I have more fun tailgate parties at PSU. I was on the ESPN road trip a few weeks ago for the PSU Michigan game. I am getting club seats through my job. I used t fly home or umm Seattle for 2-3 games a year. Since Willingham, I have decreased that, and I have no desir to see the fucktard bowl or the lemon party bowl
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To watch all the people who come into the area for the PSU games is amazing. To watch a school who value wining football and expects nothing less is fun to be around. Hire Mora and I am sure he will bring people like me back to Seattle hotels, food and stadium ticket sales...until then fuck the athletic department
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The real question with regards to Mora ever coming back to Montlake, is: would UW administrators looking to hire a new head coach for their football program ever "like Don James all over again" ? I believe not and I think its a good possibility that Mora was never considered as a replacement for Willingham or anybody else simply because of it. The last thing UW administrator's want for Husky Football would be the return of The Dawgfather. Why that is...... is another story.ApostleofGrief said:
well, whoever setup firecoachsark.com has Mora first on the list of his candidates. I suspect a great many posters, including me to a little extent, think if he came back it would be like Don James all over again. What people need to do is stop the fantasy thinking and return to reality.
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The next hire has to make a splash, or you loose the fan base, and people like me who would rather spend my hard earned money supporting other recreational venues. As far as I'm concerned, Mora, possibly Pinkle are the only ones who could do that. I'm not even sure a non DJ descendent will accomplish this simple feat, since the last 5 hires have been a train wreck. Mora would be given 10 years
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Mora and Pinkel!NeGgaPlEaSe said:The next hire has to make a splash, or you loose the fan base, and people like me who would rather spend my hard earned money supporting other recreational venues. As far as I'm concerned, Mora, possibly Pinkle are the only ones who could do that. I'm not even sure a non DJ descendent will accomplish this simple feat, since the last 5 hires have been a train wreck. Mora would be given 10 years
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I'm all for winning, I don't even give a shit if UW has to cheat to win. However, if our coaches start raping little boys in the shower then I'm OUT!NeGgaPlEaSe said:To watch all the people who come into the area for the PSU games is amazing. To watch a school who value wining football and expects nothing less is fun to be around. Hire Mora and I am sure he will bring people like me back to Seattle hotels, food and stadium ticket sales...until then fuck the athletic department
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Your "train wrecks" perhaps is an exaggeration, but I agree that the last five head coaching hires have not been splashes, more like thuds each missing the pool when it comes to keeping or getting back those 25,000 committed fans that the Husky Football base has lost. Our fanbase has continued to hold steady at somewhere between 45,000 and 50,000 after it hit it's low during 0-12 and Willingham's tenure, which absolutely was a crash and burn.NeGgaPlEaSe said:The next hire has to make a splash, or you loose the fan base, and people like me who would rather spend my hard earned money supporting other recreational venues. As far as I'm concerned, Mora, possibly Pinkle are the only ones who could do that. I'm not even sure a non DJ descendent will accomplish this simple feat, since the last 5 hires have been a train wreck. Mora would be given 10 years
The stadium renovation with all it's bells and whistles was a success in increasing support only in the areas of new prime seating (Husky Club, Luxury Suites, Heritage Club, etc), but not so much in terms of putting more season ticket buying fannies in the stands. 2013 ticket sales may or may not be disappointing to the AD depending on what he's receiving in total (tickets + donations) revenues from football. Hopefully, pool boy will not be so stupid as to increase pricing again until the product on the field is in far greater demand than it is now.
As for losing more fanbase with the increased ticket and donor pricing we were subject to in 2013, that could happen if the product Sark puts on the field continues to be sloppy, undisciplined, often wimpy and too difficult to watch or get excited about. And if he does not very soon (like in 2014-2015) start challenging with every opportunity the upper half of the Pac-12 (Oregon, Stanford, USC, ASU, UCLA) for conference supremacy, there's probably no hope that attendance will increase. Sark and Woody seem bent on dumbing down our OOC schedule to where it's not likely to attract more than a Big Sky audience, thus Husky Football needs to start posting undefeated or no worse than 2-loss Pac-12 records each season.
Don James showed us what kind of Husky Football we can have and which we have not had since he resigned 20 years ago. I believe most of us who were privileged to experience and enjoy the Dawgfather's brand of Husky Football want it back, not so much in terms of style and scheme for collegiate football has changed in the past two decades. I think we desperately miss the aggressiveness, discipline, and dedication to tough, physical football fundamentals that DJ brought to Husky Stadium with his coaching. And we especially miss the expectation that our Huskies will compete hard and usually successfully against all foes of Washington, not just the FCS donut holes or FBS cupcakes or our fellow dregs of the Pac-12's lower half.
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1) Caliber of coach, 2) likelihood of coming/affordability, and 3) excitement for fans. They are all related obviously, but my argument is that Mora is probably the best candidate when you consider these factors together. Certainly all are debatable and we have to make some educated assumptions, but who would any UW fan be more excited about that would actually consider coming? Given our decade of irrelevancy, most other hires are going to be pretty underwhelming at this point. I frankly doubt that many established coaches would want to take a chance at UW these days. So, what's left?
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Why are you still a fan of UW after all these changes? Answer that question and you'll have your answer to 1-6 above.
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