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Cavaliers and Celtics discussing a deal involving Kyrie Irving, Isaiah Thomas, Crowder and Ante Ziz

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  • NEsnake12NEsnake12 Member Posts: 3,792

    We have very different evaluations on Irving if you think Wiggins is even close.

    I've got Lebron, Steph, Draymond, Kawhi, Harden, Russ and Giannis as players better than Kyrie. That's it.
    AD?
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,825
    NEsnake12 said:

    AD?
    He literally said Davis is better earlier in the thread.

    That last list is just trolling.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,537 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    He literally said Davis is better earlier in the thread.

    That last list is just trolling.
    I don't think you took the emotion of the thread into account. APAG is stemming you
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    NEsnake12 said:

    AD?
    Yeah, you're right. I was just looking at playoff teams when I was coming up with the names.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,896

    Crowder is a bigger pick up than most of you think. The Cavs need 3 and D guys. Crowder is a needed tough guy.

    IT's health is the wild card. If he's healthy, this year's Cavs team will be better.

    If they are still needing contributions from the likes of Iman Shumpert Tristan Kardashian and Kyle Corver they won't be much better.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,825


    Nothing would be more Dan Gilbert than getting twice the value you should for Irving and then vetoing the trade. Oh man I hope this happens just for the hilarity of it.
  • NeGgaPlEaSeNeGgaPlEaSe Member Posts: 5,738
    They want Klay
  • GladstoneGladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    danny ainge getting fucked hard on this deal. i hope it doesn't go through, IT has an amazing season, and danny pays him max money
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 20,003
    Gladstone said:

    danny ainge getting fucked hard on this deal. i hope it doesn't go through, IT has an amazing season, and danny pays him max money

    You are never winning a title w IT getting a max deal on your team
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,825
    Tequilla said:


    You are never winning a title w IT getting a max deal on your team
    In a league where you can pay three max players, disagree.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 20,003
    dnc said:

    In a league where you can pay three max players, disagree.
    Disagree ... too much of a defensive liability
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,825
    Boston throws in a second rounder and the deal is done.
  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    We have very different evaluations on Irving if you think Wiggins is even close.

    I've got Lebron, Steph, Draymond, Kawhi, Harden, Russ and Giannis as players better than Kyrie. That's it.
    Bump.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,825

    Bump.
    I've thought about this thread a few times this year. Big ups to you. I didn't think Stevens could get Kyrie to sell out on the defensive end. If this keeps up (and I'm starting to think it will), this call will look brilliant.

    Well done.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    Cavs still easily win in the playoffs.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,825

    Cavs still easily win in the playoffs.

    Agree and I'm sure APAG will as well.

    A healthy white boy and it could have been a series though IMO.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,537 Founders Club
    That's what pissed me off. Irving won't get Boston where they want to go and Cleveland has a 2% win chance against the Warriors without him
  • NEsnake12NEsnake12 Member Posts: 3,792

    Bump.
    Interesting to look back at that list, it's a pretty damn accurate list.

    Just based off performances through the first month of the season... I'd definitely take Russ off that list especially with Kyrie's defensive improvement. Russ is just too inefficient of a shooter for how many attempts he takes per game, and has over twice the turnovers per game as Kyrie. And his team isn't winning.

    Also might have to start considering Porzingis for that list IF he keeps improving the way he has been. Maybe not yet but if he's still playing that good at the all star break I'd put him on there.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    NEsnake12 said:

    Interesting to look back at that list, it's a pretty damn accurate list.

    Just based off performances through the first month of the season... I'd definitely take Russ off that list especially with Kyrie's defensive improvement. Russ is just too inefficient of a shooter for how many attempts he takes per game, and has over twice the turnovers per game as Kyrie. And his team isn't winning.

    Also might have to start considering Porzingis for that list IF he keeps improving the way he has been. Maybe not yet but if he's still playing that good at the all star break I'd put him on there.
    By the end of the year, the Thunder will be much better than they were last year. It’s November. If they are still struggling in March, I would agree with you.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123

    That's what pissed me off. Irving won't get Boston where they want to go and Cleveland has a 2% win chance against the Warriors without him

    The injury makes it iffy, but Isaiah averaged 29 for a one seed and scored 50 on John Wall in the playoffs. He’s going to help a lot if he recovers. He’s a winner.

    I agree that the Cavs have a 2% chance of beating the Warriors. They had about a 10% chance with Kyrie. I don’t think it’s much of a difference.
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