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A brief history of the only successful nation building exercises in US History
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dflea said:
The USSR?salemcoog said:
Disagree.YellowSnow said:
Simple: We haven't fought an existential threat type of war against a elite opponent in 7 plus decades. Everything since has been war for more abstract reasons with limited aims, and (necessary) political considerations. Doesn't have anything to do with being soft. The war plan for the USSR wouldn't have been soft and limited.Sledog said:We only successfully nation build when we have killed them until they don't want to be killed anymore. Bombed the place flat and then dictated the unconditional terms. Has our country become so soft we can't wage a proper war anymore?
We can't even train sailors how to avoid a floating skyscraper. While the USSR engages in real training like in how to efficiently kill people. Our forces play grabass during gender sensitivity training.
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We're BACK in the USSR
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You can't have it both ways. Either you have to love the Beatles or you're banned from quoting Lennon - McCartney songs.RaceBannon said:We're BACK in the USSR
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CCCP.dflea said:
The USSR?salemcoog said:
Disagree.YellowSnow said:
Simple: We haven't fought an existential threat type of war against a elite opponent in 7 plus decades. Everything since has been war for more abstract reasons with limited aims, and (necessary) political considerations. Doesn't have anything to do with being soft. The war plan for the USSR wouldn't have been soft and limited.Sledog said:We only successfully nation build when we have killed them until they don't want to be killed anymore. Bombed the place flat and then dictated the unconditional terms. Has our country become so soft we can't wage a proper war anymore?
We can't even train sailors how to avoid a floating skyscraper. While the USSR engages in real training like in how to efficiently kill people. Our forces play grabass during gender sensitivity training.
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Those guys suck; they couldn't even make it to the gold medal round against Finland.2001400ex said:
CCCP.dflea said:
The USSR?salemcoog said:
Disagree.YellowSnow said:
Simple: We haven't fought an existential threat type of war against a elite opponent in 7 plus decades. Everything since has been war for more abstract reasons with limited aims, and (necessary) political considerations. Doesn't have anything to do with being soft. The war plan for the USSR wouldn't have been soft and limited.Sledog said:We only successfully nation build when we have killed them until they don't want to be killed anymore. Bombed the place flat and then dictated the unconditional terms. Has our country become so soft we can't wage a proper war anymore?
We can't even train sailors how to avoid a floating skyscraper. While the USSR engages in real training like in how to efficiently kill people. Our forces play grabass during gender sensitivity training. -
Well.... As Afghanistan and Vietnam have proven, once you take away our technologies ability to beat someone, we aren't anything fucking special. And I call BS on all these Navy boats going out of the way to hit something, just being another day in the life. At best, it's fucktarded sailors that can't steer the boat. At worst it's outside forces controlling our assets to destroy themselves.YellowSnow said:
Fixed.salemcoog said:
Disagree.YellowSnow said:
Simple: We haven't fought an existential threat type of war against a elite opponent in 7 plus decades. Everything since has been war for more abstract reasons with limited aims, and (necessary) political considerations. Doesn't have anything to do with being soft. The war plan for the USSR wouldn't have been soft and limited.Sledog said:We only successfully nation build when we have killed them until they don't want to be killed anymore. Bombed the place flat and then dictated the unconditional terms. Has our country become so soft we can't wage a proper war anymore?
We can't even train sailors how to avoid a floating skyscraper. While theUSSRRussian Empire engages in real training like in how to efficiently kill people. Our forces play grabass during gender sensitivity training.
Our Navy ships have been crashing into shit for hundreds of years; this is no big deal. While it's true Russia has some kick ass artillery and SAM systems and what not, we still by far have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
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YellowSnow said:
Those guys suck; they couldn't even make it to the gold medal round against Finland.2001400ex said:
CCCP.dflea said:
The USSR?salemcoog said:
Disagree.YellowSnow said:
Simple: We haven't fought an existential threat type of war against a elite opponent in 7 plus decades. Everything since has been war for more abstract reasons with limited aims, and (necessary) political considerations. Doesn't have anything to do with being soft. The war plan for the USSR wouldn't have been soft and limited.Sledog said:We only successfully nation build when we have killed them until they don't want to be killed anymore. Bombed the place flat and then dictated the unconditional terms. Has our country become so soft we can't wage a proper war anymore?
We can't even train sailors how to avoid a floating skyscraper. While the USSR engages in real training like in how to efficiently kill people. Our forces play grabass during gender sensitivity training.
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Yes, absolutely Vietnam and Afghanistan demonstrated the limit of our technology to win those kinds of wars. But if we'd been willing to lay waste to Vietnam with our superior fire power in the way we did to Japan (say minus the nukes) + getting a lot more of our grunts killed, they would have likely capitulated as well. However, this was never politically feasible, nor moral- i.e., they hadn't waged aggressive war against us.salemcoog said:
Well.... As Afghanistan and Vietnam have proven, once you take away our technologies ability to beat someone, we aren't anything fucking special. And I call BS on all these Navy boats going out of the way to hit something, just being another day in the life. At best, it's fucktarded sailors that can't steer the boat. At worst it's outside forces controlling our assets to destroy themselves.YellowSnow said:
Fixed.salemcoog said:
Disagree.YellowSnow said:
Simple: We haven't fought an existential threat type of war against a elite opponent in 7 plus decades. Everything since has been war for more abstract reasons with limited aims, and (necessary) political considerations. Doesn't have anything to do with being soft. The war plan for the USSR wouldn't have been soft and limited.Sledog said:We only successfully nation build when we have killed them until they don't want to be killed anymore. Bombed the place flat and then dictated the unconditional terms. Has our country become so soft we can't wage a proper war anymore?
We can't even train sailors how to avoid a floating skyscraper. While theUSSRRussian Empire engages in real training like in how to efficiently kill people. Our forces play grabass during gender sensitivity training.
Our Navy ships have been crashing into shit for hundreds of years; this is no big deal. While it's true Russia has some kick ass artillery and SAM systems and what not, we still by far have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
Sound familiar?
Here's a list of the collisions over the years. Is there some sort of theory going around about our navigation systems having been compromised by a hostile power?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a27021/ship-collisions-us-navy-history/
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Your article list like 5 collisions in the last 70 years. There have been 4 big ones in the last 2 years. CBS reported the morning after that there was strong speculation that the ships nav unit had been hacked.YellowSnow said:
Yes, absolutely Vietnam and Afghanistan demonstrated the limit of our technology to win those kinds of wars. But if we'd been willing to lay waste to Vietnam with our superior fire power in the way we did to Japan (say minus the nukes) + getting a lot more of our grunts killed, they would have likely capitulated as well. However, this was never politically feasible, nor moral- i.e., they hadn't waged aggressive war against us.salemcoog said:
Well.... As Afghanistan and Vietnam have proven, once you take away our technologies ability to beat someone, we aren't anything fucking special. And I call BS on all these Navy boats going out of the way to hit something, just being another day in the life. At best, it's fucktarded sailors that can't steer the boat. At worst it's outside forces controlling our assets to destroy themselves.YellowSnow said:
Fixed.salemcoog said:
Disagree.YellowSnow said:
Simple: We haven't fought an existential threat type of war against a elite opponent in 7 plus decades. Everything since has been war for more abstract reasons with limited aims, and (necessary) political considerations. Doesn't have anything to do with being soft. The war plan for the USSR wouldn't have been soft and limited.Sledog said:We only successfully nation build when we have killed them until they don't want to be killed anymore. Bombed the place flat and then dictated the unconditional terms. Has our country become so soft we can't wage a proper war anymore?
We can't even train sailors how to avoid a floating skyscraper. While theUSSRRussian Empire engages in real training like in how to efficiently kill people. Our forces play grabass during gender sensitivity training.
Our Navy ships have been crashing into shit for hundreds of years; this is no big deal. While it's true Russia has some kick ass artillery and SAM systems and what not, we still by far have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
Sound familiar?
Here's a list of the collisions over the years. Is there some sort of theory going around about our navigation systems having been compromised by a hostile power?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a27021/ship-collisions-us-navy-history/
I doubt anyone on the outside would ever know if it was hacked as I doubt that the Navy would admit to that even if true. So if we were to lay odds... it probably wasn't hacked. But one has to wonder why this is happening so often given the superior tech on board to avoid such things.
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No, the only "theory" going around is coming from an imbecile like @salemcoog. You'd be surprised to know he owns a 1987 ford bronco.YellowSnow said:
Yes, absolutely Vietnam and Afghanistan demonstrated the limit of our technology to win those kinds of wars. But if we'd been willing to lay waste to Vietnam with our superior fire power in the way we did to Japan (say minus the nukes) they would have likely capitulated as well. However, this was never politically feasible, nor moral- i.e., they hadn't waged aggressive war against us.salemcoog said:
Well.... As Afghanistan and Vietnam have proven, once you take away our technologies ability to beat someone, we aren't anything fucking special. And I call BS on all these Navy boats going out of the way to hit something, just being another day in the life. At best, it's fucktarded sailors that can't steer the boat. At worst it's outside forces controlling our assets to destroy themselves.YellowSnow said:
Fixed.salemcoog said:
Disagree.YellowSnow said:
Simple: We haven't fought an existential threat type of war against a elite opponent in 7 plus decades. Everything since has been war for more abstract reasons with limited aims, and (necessary) political considerations. Doesn't have anything to do with being soft. The war plan for the USSR wouldn't have been soft and limited.Sledog said:We only successfully nation build when we have killed them until they don't want to be killed anymore. Bombed the place flat and then dictated the unconditional terms. Has our country become so soft we can't wage a proper war anymore?
We can't even train sailors how to avoid a floating skyscraper. While theUSSRRussian Empire engages in real training like in how to efficiently kill people. Our forces play grabass during gender sensitivity training.
Our Navy ships have been crashing into shit for hundreds of years; this is no big deal. While it's true Russia has some kick ass artillery and SAM systems and what not, we still by far have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
Sound familiar?
Here's a list of the collisions over the years. Is there some sort of theory going around about our navigation systems having been compromised by a hostile power?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a27021/ship-collisions-us-navy-history/
