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Excellent piece by Spengler on the CSA Monuments

YellowSnow
YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,343 Founders Club
Not sure if any of you have read David Goldman, a.k.a., "Spengler" before. Highly recommend this piece of his on the Confederate Monuments. Full disclaimer: Goldman's obviously pretty far right, and can get a bit nutty from time to time for my tastes. I also vehemently disagree with his vocal support for Trump. All that said, his command history is excellent and I especially like his takes over the years on the Civil War.
https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2017/08/15/say-decent-men-died-wicked-cause/
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  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    I agree that this country needs more monuments to GEN Sherman.

    He had me until the last paragraph. Cities, states, and entities that own Confederate monuments can make up their own minds regarding what to do with them. I was a bit saddened that New Orleans tore down the PGT Beauregard statue, but that's their call, not mine.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    That is actually a great fucking article.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,343 Founders Club
    AZDuck said:

    I agree that this country needs more monuments to GEN Sherman.

    He had me until the last paragraph. Cities, states, and entities that own Confederate monuments can make up their own minds regarding what to do with them. I was a bit saddened that New Orleans tore down the PGT Beauregard statue, but that's their call, not mine.

    Sherman is one of our most underrated Generals; it's too bad he had such a shitty tank named after him.

    Also high on my list of underrated Generals is "Iron Tits", Matthew B Ridgeway.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club

    AZDuck said:

    I agree that this country needs more monuments to GEN Sherman.

    He had me until the last paragraph. Cities, states, and entities that own Confederate monuments can make up their own minds regarding what to do with them. I was a bit saddened that New Orleans tore down the PGT Beauregard statue, but that's their call, not mine.

    Sherman is one of our most underrated Generals; it's too bad he had such a shitty tank named after him.

    Also high on my list of underrated Generals is "Iron Tits", Matthew B Ridgeway.
    I am a huge supporter of anything named Iron Tits.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club

    Swaye said:

    AZDuck said:

    I agree that this country needs more monuments to GEN Sherman.

    He had me until the last paragraph. Cities, states, and entities that own Confederate monuments can make up their own minds regarding what to do with them. I was a bit saddened that New Orleans tore down the PGT Beauregard statue, but that's their call, not mine.

    Sherman is one of our most underrated Generals; it's too bad he had such a shitty tank named after him.

    Also high on my list of underrated Generals is "Iron Tits", Matthew B Ridgeway.
    I am a huge supporter of anything named Iron Tits.
    3-4 Star Generals wearing hand grenades is Tuff. Ridgeway commanded 82nd Airborne though in WWII so no Grandpa Swaye connection
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    He would have hated Grandpa anyway. Landed in a ditch and broke his legs up. I am sure General Iron Tits preferred his soldiers to be upright and fighting.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,208 Founders Club
    Just heard this morning that San Diego is removing a plaque that was going to commemorate the end of the Jefferson Davis hi way in the 20s

    That seems to be the big decade for monuments

    People actually thought naming a hi way after him was a good idea

    The first Trans gender hi way was the Lincoln Road.
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072
    I lived for three years at 1515 Jeff Davis Highway in Arlington VA. Can't say I ever liked writing my address.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    BearsWiin said:

    I lived for three years at 1515 Jeff Davis Highway in Arlington VA. Can't say I ever liked writing my address.

    $75K
  • tenndawg
    tenndawg Member Posts: 1,161
    Rape women and sell the kids for huge profits ?

    Man, did I waste 19 fucking years in school...
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,343 Founders Club
    tenndawg said:

    Rape women and sell the kids for huge profits ?

    Man, did I waste 19 fucking years in school...

    You woulda never had it in ya. Tennessee was soft and the first Confederate State to rejoin the Union.
  • tenndawg
    tenndawg Member Posts: 1,161

    tenndawg said:

    Rape women and sell the kids for huge profits ?

    Man, did I waste 19 fucking years in school...

    You woulda never had it in ya. Tennessee was soft and the first Confederate State to rejoin the Union.
    Born in Florida

    When the East Tennessee Appalachians hear me talk and say "You ain't from round here" I tell them they are a bunch of union sympathizers and my state was second to secede, and next to last to return...
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,208 Founders Club

    Just heard this morning that San Diego is removing a plaque that was going to commemorate the end of the Jefferson Davis hi way in the 20s

    That seems to be the big decade for monuments

    People actually thought naming a hi way after him was a good idea

    The first Trans gender hi way was the Lincoln Road.

    The second news report said it was a trans gender railroad proposed in the late 19th century
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    Just heard this morning that San Diego is removing a plaque that was going to commemorate the end of the Jefferson Davis hi way in the 20s

    That seems to be the big decade for monuments

    People actually thought naming a hi way after him was a good idea

    The first Trans gender hi way was the Lincoln Road.

    you must have missed the big hoo-ha over Mount Soledad. That was make-out point for me at one stage of my life...
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,208 Founders Club
    AZDuck said:

    Just heard this morning that San Diego is removing a plaque that was going to commemorate the end of the Jefferson Davis hi way in the 20s

    That seems to be the big decade for monuments

    People actually thought naming a hi way after him was a good idea

    The first Trans gender hi way was the Lincoln Road.

    you must have missed the big hoo-ha over Mount Soledad. That was make-out point for me at one stage of my life...
    I thought Soledad was a cross
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    AZDuck said:

    Just heard this morning that San Diego is removing a plaque that was going to commemorate the end of the Jefferson Davis hi way in the 20s

    That seems to be the big decade for monuments

    People actually thought naming a hi way after him was a good idea

    The first Trans gender hi way was the Lincoln Road.

    you must have missed the big hoo-ha over Mount Soledad. That was make-out point for me at one stage of my life...
    I thought Soledad was a cross
    Also a parking lot with a nice view of the city. Think make out hill in Animal House.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,137 Standard Supporter
    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    Just heard this morning that San Diego is removing a plaque that was going to commemorate the end of the Jefferson Davis hi way in the 20s

    That seems to be the big decade for monuments

    People actually thought naming a hi way after him was a good idea

    The first Trans gender hi way was the Lincoln Road.

    you must have missed the big hoo-ha over Mount Soledad. That was make-out point for me at one stage of my life...
    I thought Soledad was a cross
    Also a parking lot with a nice view of the city. Think make out hill in Animal House.
    Getting a handjob by the light of a crucifix is always special.

    My catholic friends tell me that. #altarboys

  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    You were an alter boy, right?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,894 Standard Supporter
    edited August 2017
    A very good article. I keep wondering why now and have my own opinion but LarryinIowa's comment at the end of the article summed it up nicely:

    "Some find it politically advantageous to reopen healed scars and divide Americans against each other. They thrive on hatred and strife. They call themselves Progressives".

    Of course I love irony.

    http://www.activistmom.com/blog/margaret-sanger-statue/
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Sledog said:

    A very good article. I keep wondering why now and have my own opinion but LarryinIowa's comment at the end of the article summed it up nicely:

    "Some find it politically advantageous to reopen healed scars and divide Americans against each other. They thrive on hatred and strife. They call themselves Progressives".

    Of course I love irony.

    http://www.activistmom.com/blog/margaret-sanger-statue/

    Why do you think these statues were even put up 50 years after the war?
    Gotta remind them negros that they ain't shit.
    https://www.newsy.com/stories/why-confederate-monuments-exist-in-the-first-place/
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,208 Founders Club
    dhdawg said:

    Sledog said:

    A very good article. I keep wondering why now and have my own opinion but LarryinIowa's comment at the end of the article summed it up nicely:

    "Some find it politically advantageous to reopen healed scars and divide Americans against each other. They thrive on hatred and strife. They call themselves Progressives".

    Of course I love irony.

    http://www.activistmom.com/blog/margaret-sanger-statue/

    Why do you think these statues were even put up 50 years after the war?
    Gotta remind them negros that they ain't shit.
    https://www.newsy.com/stories/why-confederate-monuments-exist-in-the-first-place/
    I have to agree with my long time sparring partner on this one. I found it odd this week that so many of them had been put up in the 20's

    Slow and painful as it was, Blacks had made some progress by then and whites were nervous. And I am talking northern whites
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,894 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    A very good article. I keep wondering why now and have my own opinion but LarryinIowa's comment at the end of the article summed it up nicely:

    "Some find it politically advantageous to reopen healed scars and divide Americans against each other. They thrive on hatred and strife. They call themselves Progressives".

    Of course I love irony.

    http://www.activistmom.com/blog/margaret-sanger-statue/

    Oh come on now Rerun. Them scares were never healed. Sure people use it disingenuously for policital expediency, in the same way that Bannon is pulling your dick through Donnie.

    But please. Race has always mattered. And not just the one on this bored.
    Stop Creepy you're scaresing me!
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,082
    edited August 2017
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    A very good article. I keep wondering why now and have my own opinion but LarryinIowa's comment at the end of the article summed it up nicely:

    "Some find it politically advantageous to reopen healed scars and divide Americans against each other. They thrive on hatred and strife. They call themselves Progressives".

    Of course I love irony.

    http://www.activistmom.com/blog/margaret-sanger-statue/

    Oh come on now Rerun. Them scares were never healed. Sure people use it disingenuously for policital expediency, in the same way that Bannon is pulling your dick through Donnie.

    But please. Race has always mattered. And not just the one on this bored.
    Stop Creepy you're scaresing me!
    Rent check is in the male.

    With that said, it is apparent that my prior poasts focusing on your lack of a good grasp of Engrish hurt a little bit. Let me be the first to extend the olive branch and say I am truly sorry. I am entirely confident that you know, and knew, the difference between affect and effect. I should not have been so indulgent.

    PS: wouldn't "scareing" have been more on the mark?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,894 Standard Supporter
    PS: wouldn't "scareing" have been more on the mark?