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YellowSnow
YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,271 Founders Club
Highly recommend this piece by Peter Beinart, who is a liberal pundit, detailing how FS the Democratic party has become on the immigration issue. Now wonder these clowns can't win an election w/o BHO on the ticket. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    It comes down to

    White = evil and bad
    Brown = exploited and good
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    "In July 2015, two months after officially announcing his candidacy for president, Sanders was interviewed by Ezra Klein, the editor in chief of Vox. Klein asked whether, in order to fight global poverty, the U.S. should consider “sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders.” Sanders reacted with horror. “That’s a Koch brothers proposal,” he scoffed. He went on to insist that “right-wing people in this country would love … an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don’t believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country.”


    funny how fast things change, isn't it?
  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club
    edited June 2017

    Bill Clinton 1995 sounded like Donald Trump 2015

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3yesvvYEvs
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    It's a blackeye for @BearsWiin, IMO
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,271 Founders Club

    I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

    It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

    They actually have an audio feature now on some of the Atlantic's pieces where someone reads the TL; DR articles to you. It's pretty kick ass.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Bill Clinton 1995 sounded like Donald Trump 2015

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3yesvvYEvs
    I don't think anyone denies we need better border security. The issue that Trump brings up is the wall, which is FS. You can accomplish better border security without wasting the money on a wall.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

    It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

    I can summarize in two sentences.

    Low-skilled and uneducated native born Americans cannot effectively compete in a free market against third-world labor despite being born with every economic and educational advantage possible.

    If ever there was greater or more complete evidence, the truth of the matter is that white trash are suffering the consequences of their own making and neither bill Clinton, Obama or trump (neither pandering GOP or Dems) can save them with foolish and nativist economic policies.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662

    I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

    It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

    White privilege white privilege I'm a fucking pussy who still loves Obama
    Fixed
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

    It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

    White privilege white privilege I'm a fucking pussy who still loves Obama
    Fixed
    Hey @CuntWaffle why is the sun doovil so angry?
  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499

    I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

    It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

    White privilege white privilege I'm a fucking pussy who still loves Obama
    Fixed
    Hey @CuntWaffle why is the sun doovil so angry?
    Sounds like you care
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    edited June 2017

    I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

    It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

    White privilege white privilege I'm a fucking pussy who still loves Obama
    Fixed
    White privilege implies continued success for those with skills, high incomes, and successful lives. What does that have to do with white trash?
  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527

    I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

    It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

    We still need bodies because population growth has stagnated. I'm fine with slowing the flow of immigrants but I'm also ok with modest levels of economic growth. It's hard to have both if your population base isn't having babies.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    RedRocket said:

    I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

    It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

    We still need bodies because population growth has stagnated. I'm fine with slowing the flow of immigrants but I'm also ok with modest levels of economic growth. It's hard to have both if your population base isn't having babies.
    Dudes are jacking off to porn so the amount of actual intercourse is an all time low.
    Also true
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,271 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    RedRocket said:

    I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

    It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

    We still need bodies because population growth has stagnated. I'm fine with slowing the flow of immigrants but I'm also ok with modest levels of economic growth. It's hard to have both if your population base isn't having babies.
    Dudes are jacking off to porn so the amount of actual intercourse is an all time low.
    Also true
    I wish @AZDuck was here to discuss causes of declining birth rates in Japan.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

    It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

    I can summarize in two sentences.

    Low-skilled and uneducated native born Americans cannot effectively compete in a free market against third-world labor despite being born with every economic and educational advantage possible.

    If ever there was greater or more complete evidence, the truth of the matter is that white trash are suffering the consequences of their own making and neither bill Clinton, Obama or trump (neither pandering GOP or Dems) can save them with foolish and nativist economic policies.
    Regardless, the segment of the population which you describe can't pick fruit, clean a hotel room, or put shingles on a roof any faster or better than a low skilled immigrant form a 3rd world country. If there wasn't as much cheap, unskilled labor willing to do the jobs "Americans don't want to do", wages would have to rise to the point that people would do them, or businesses would have to invest increasing productivity. Neither of these would be a bad outcome, per say.
    Let the immigrant from Mexico or Central America do the work. That's who I would hire for those jobs based on skill and desire to succeed. The native born white trash have already wasted millions in education and job training opportunities. They can go back to playing Overwatch with the HH faithful.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,271 Founders Club

    I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

    It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

    I can summarize in two sentences.

    Low-skilled and uneducated native born Americans cannot effectively compete in a free market against third-world labor despite being born with every economic and educational advantage possible.

    If ever there was greater or more complete evidence, the truth of the matter is that white trash are suffering the consequences of their own making and neither bill Clinton, Obama or trump (neither pandering GOP or Dems) can save them with foolish and nativist economic policies.
    Regardless, the segment of the population which you describe can't pick fruit, clean a hotel room, or put shingles on a roof any faster or better than a low skilled immigrant form a 3rd world country. If there wasn't as much cheap, unskilled labor willing to do the jobs "Americans don't want to do", wages would have to rise to the point that people would do them, or businesses would have to invest increasing productivity. Neither of these would be a bad outcome, per say.
    Let the immigrant from Mexico or Central America do the work. That's who I would hire for those jobs based on skill and desire to succeed. The native born white trash have already wasted millions in education and job training opportunities. They can go back to playing Overwatch with the HH faithful.
    I appreciate your point, but I think we underestimate the cost to our society of the NBWT dropping out of the labor force completely. In this respect I can't recommend works like Murray's Coming Apart enough. It's not like we can take away their right to vote either.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,076

    I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

    It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

    I can summarize in two sentences.

    Low-skilled and uneducated native born Americans cannot effectively compete in a free market against third-world labor despite being born with every economic and educational advantage possible.

    If ever there was greater or more complete evidence, the truth of the matter is that white trash are suffering the consequences of their own making and neither bill Clinton, Obama or trump (neither pandering GOP or Dems) can save them with foolish and nativist economic policies.
    Regardless, the segment of the population which you describe can't pick fruit, clean a hotel room, or put shingles on a roof any faster or better than a low skilled immigrant form a 3rd world country. If there wasn't as much cheap, unskilled labor willing to do the jobs "Americans don't want to do", wages would have to rise to the point that people would do them, or businesses would have to invest increasing productivity. Neither of these would be a bad outcome, per say.
    Let the immigrant from Mexico or Central America do the work. That's who I would hire for those jobs based on skill and desire to succeed. The native born white trash have already wasted millions in education and job training opportunities. They can go back to playing Overwatch with the HH faithful.
    There's just as much black trash as white trash playing that game.

    And I"m not talking Overwatch.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,271 Founders Club

    I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

    It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

    I can summarize in two sentences.

    Low-skilled and uneducated native born Americans cannot effectively compete in a free market against third-world labor despite being born with every economic and educational advantage possible.

    If ever there was greater or more complete evidence, the truth of the matter is that white trash are suffering the consequences of their own making and neither bill Clinton, Obama or trump (neither pandering GOP or Dems) can save them with foolish and nativist economic policies.
    Regardless, the segment of the population which you describe can't pick fruit, clean a hotel room, or put shingles on a roof any faster or better than a low skilled immigrant form a 3rd world country. If there wasn't as much cheap, unskilled labor willing to do the jobs "Americans don't want to do", wages would have to rise to the point that people would do them, or businesses would have to invest increasing productivity. Neither of these would be a bad outcome, per say.
    Let the immigrant from Mexico or Central America do the work. That's who I would hire for those jobs based on skill and desire to succeed. The native born white trash have already wasted millions in education and job training opportunities. They can go back to playing Overwatch with the HH faithful.
    There's just as much black trash as white trash playing that game.

    And I"m not talking Overwatch.
    You know why as they say...
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,886 Founders Club

    I'm not going to read that Tequilla article but I agree with the premise that democrats are fucking stupid on immigration.

    It's great that our country at one time took anyone willing to come here but the truth is that wasn't out the goodness of our hearts. We needed bodies, poor or rich or whatever, we had a big ass country to fill. And it worked, it built us to the worlds lone super power. But we're no longer the little country that could and it's no longer what's best for our country.

    I can summarize in two sentences.

    Low-skilled and uneducated native born Americans cannot effectively compete in a free market against third-world labor despite being born with every economic and educational advantage possible.

    If ever there was greater or more complete evidence, the truth of the matter is that white trash are suffering the consequences of their own making and neither bill Clinton, Obama or trump (neither pandering GOP or Dems) can save them with foolish and nativist economic policies.
    Regardless, the segment of the population which you describe can't pick fruit, clean a hotel room, or put shingles on a roof any faster or better than a low skilled immigrant form a 3rd world country. If there wasn't as much cheap, unskilled labor willing to do the jobs "Americans don't want to do", wages would have to rise to the point that people would do them, or businesses would have to invest increasing productivity. Neither of these would be a bad outcome, per say.
    Let the immigrant from Mexico or Central America do the work. That's who I would hire for those jobs based on skill and desire to succeed. The native born white trash have already wasted millions in education and job training opportunities. They can go back to playing Overwatch with the HH faithful.
    We see ourselves in others
  • WilburHooksHands
    WilburHooksHands Member Posts: 6,804
    edited June 2017
    Cal... lmfao. There is actually a codified list of microaggressions?