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DerekJohnson
DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,280 Founders Club
Salary

Jim Mora, UCLA $2.0 million
Steve Sarkisian, Washington $2.7 million

Pleased to be explaining to me why we're paying Sark so much money?
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  • CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 32,242 Founders Club
    Because he gave a great interview?
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,280 Founders Club
    this post wouldn't last 53 seconds on Dawgman before being deleted
  • ACSlaterDawg
    ACSlaterDawg Member Posts: 200
    Because thats how much we had to pay to get someone to coach this 0-12 team and worst program in the NCAA with nothing going for it, no talent, no resources.

    Sheesh! You think everything is free?
  • TommySQC
    TommySQC Member Posts: 5,813
    if you are just going to look back instead of forward, then you're going to be gone!!
  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    You act like 7-6 > 7-6 > 7-6 > 7-6 never happened
  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,266
    I saw him throw fish at Pike Place with LoRo one time......that's free pub you can't put a price on.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    Sark is running a program the right way. Building for the long term. Comportment AND seven win seasons. High fives everybody!
  • DeepSeaZ
    DeepSeaZ Member Posts: 3,901
    Can Mora hit the crossbar? I didn't think so.
  • volcanodawg
    volcanodawg Member Posts: 282
    just wait for the Mora meltdown. the $.7M less he earns will make sense at that point.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Sounds like he has a CONTRACT.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,127
    I wish we would have gotten Mora in 2007, but I'm not sure if he is as great as some of you think he is. His team lost 3 in a row to end the year and the defense (his specialty) sucked. His defenses with the Seahawks sucked as well, both when he was the head coach and when he was DB coach (his group was the worst on the team).

    Could UCLA have gone 9-5 with Rick? I think it would have been possible. Hundley was the real reason for improvement. Prince and Brehaut were arguably the worst QB's in the conference and played a key role on getting Rick fired.

    I'm not a cunt like Kim saying wait for Mora to implode, but the Mora dick sucking on here is a little strange. He really hasn't done shit yet.
  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club

    Sounds like he has a CONTRACT.



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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club
    edited May 2013

    Salary

    Jim Mora, UCLA $2.0 million
    Steve Sarkisian, Washington $2.7 million

    Pleased to be explaining to me why we're paying Sark so much money?

    Someone sounds bitter and clearly has an agenda. Take it out of the middle of the store or your gone! :D

    Just a fucktarded guess, maybe Sark is smarter than Woodard and won the salary negotiation? Another fucktarded guess, maybe Mora's performance at Seattle and his unemployed status hurt his negotiating position and he had to "settle" for a mere 2 million a year? Yet another fucktarded guess, maybe UW is more of a "football school" than UCLA and willing to pay more for ANY head football coach? Let it play out. A year from now Sark may be on the unemployment line and Mora at the center of a bidding war :)] ...
  • Steve_Bowman
    Steve_Bowman Member Posts: 442
    Easy question. Cream Puff calls his own plays, has better dance routines, mo betta music in practices PLUS he howls and barks at recruits front door. For a 700K delta, a deal.
  • DeepSeaZ
    DeepSeaZ Member Posts: 3,901
    Hand gesture to the mouth? Jim, inappropriate.

    Sounds like he has a CONTRACT.



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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,280 Founders Club
    DeepSeaZ said:

    Hand gesture to the mouth? Jim, inappropriate.

    Sounds like he has a CONTRACT.



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  • ACSlaterDawg
    ACSlaterDawg Member Posts: 200

    I wish we would have gotten Mora in 2007, but I'm not sure if he is as great as some of you think he is. His team lost 3 in a row to end the year and the defense (his specialty) sucked. His defenses with the Seahawks sucked as well, both when he was the head coach and when he was DB coach (his group was the worst on the team).

    Could UCLA have gone 9-5 with Rick? I think it would have been possible. Hundley was the real reason for improvement. Prince and Brehaut were arguably the worst QB's in the conference and played a key role on getting Rick fired.

    I'm not a cunt like Kim saying wait for Mora to implode, but the Mora dick sucking on here is a little strange. He really hasn't done shit yet.

    UCLA was 9-3 with an easier than average schedule by pac-10 standards. Mora is recruiting very well. I'm not sure Rick would have had them at 9-3...maybe 8-4 at best.

    UCLA actually lost a fair amount of talent and they do have to play Nebraska, USC, Oregon, Stanford and Arizona on the road with UW and ASU as their toughest games at home. If they went 9-3 that would be a great job by Mora where 8-4 would probably be my guess.

    UCLA's easy schedule last year inflated Mora slightly but he still would have been an awesome hire for us.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,127

    I wish we would have gotten Mora in 2007, but I'm not sure if he is as great as some of you think he is. His team lost 3 in a row to end the year and the defense (his specialty) sucked. His defenses with the Seahawks sucked as well, both when he was the head coach and when he was DB coach (his group was the worst on the team).

    Could UCLA have gone 9-5 with Rick? I think it would have been possible. Hundley was the real reason for improvement. Prince and Brehaut were arguably the worst QB's in the conference and played a key role on getting Rick fired.

    I'm not a cunt like Kim saying wait for Mora to implode, but the Mora dick sucking on here is a little strange. He really hasn't done shit yet.

    UCLA was 9-3 with an easier than average schedule by pac-10 standards. Mora is recruiting very well. I'm not sure Rick would have had them at 9-3...maybe 8-4 at best.

    UCLA actually lost a fair amount of talent and they do have to play Nebraska, USC, Oregon, Stanford and Arizona on the road with UW and ASU as their toughest games at home. If they went 9-3 that would be a great job by Mora where 8-4 would probably be my guess.

    UCLA's easy schedule last year inflated Mora slightly but he still would have been an awesome hire for us.
    Mora has been recruiting very well, but for the most part UCLA has always recruited well.

    Now that I look at their schedule, I don't see them having that great of a year. Their defense is going to get shredded in those road games. Hundley and the offense is going to need to out up some big numbers to win some of those games.

    Mora could very well be a big time coach like Petey. He could also be Al Groh or Dave Wandstett.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,280 Founders Club

    I wish we would have gotten Mora in 2007, but I'm not sure if he is as great as some of you think he is. His team lost 3 in a row to end the year and the defense (his specialty) sucked. His defenses with the Seahawks sucked as well, both when he was the head coach and when he was DB coach (his group was the worst on the team).

    Could UCLA have gone 9-5 with Rick? I think it would have been possible. Hundley was the real reason for improvement. Prince and Brehaut were arguably the worst QB's in the conference and played a key role on getting Rick fired.

    I'm not a cunt like Kim saying wait for Mora to implode, but the Mora dick sucking on here is a little strange. He really hasn't done shit yet.

    UCLA was 9-3 with an easier than average schedule by pac-10 standards. Mora is recruiting very well. I'm not sure Rick would have had them at 9-3...maybe 8-4 at best.

    UCLA actually lost a fair amount of talent and they do have to play Nebraska, USC, Oregon, Stanford and Arizona on the road with UW and ASU as their toughest games at home. If they went 9-3 that would be a great job by Mora where 8-4 would probably be my guess.

    UCLA's easy schedule last year inflated Mora slightly but he still would have been an awesome hire for us.
    Mora has been recruiting very well, but for the most part UCLA has always recruited well.

    Now that I look at their schedule, I don't see them having that great of a year. Their defense is going to get shredded in those road games. Hundley and the offense is going to need to out up some big numbers to win some of those games.

    Mora could very well be a big time coach like Petey. He could also be Al Groh or Dave Wandstett.
    Well it sounds like you have your bases covered regardless of outcome.
  • jecornel
    jecornel Member Posts: 9,737
    Roaddawg55, I am very impressed with your insight and your ability structure sound opinions. You are a welcome addition to the discussions on this board.

    Keep it up, we need more posters like yourself.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,280 Founders Club
    jecornel said:

    Roaddawg55, I am very impressed with your insight and your ability structure sound opinions. You are a welcome addition to the discussions on this board.

    Keep it up, we need more posters like yourself.

    Classy poast
  • TommySQC
    TommySQC Member Posts: 5,813

    jecornel said:

    Roaddawg55, I am very impressed with your insight and your ability structure sound opinions. You are a welcome addition to the discussions on this board.

    Keep it up, we need more posters like yourself.

    Classy poast
    RoadDawg has always been one of my favorites
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    jecornel said:

    Roaddawg55, I am very impressed with your insight and your ability structure sound opinions. You are a welcome addition to the discussions on this board.

    Keep it up, we need more posters like yourself.

    Classy
  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186

    I wish we would have gotten Mora in 2007, but I'm not sure if he is as great as some of you think he is. His team lost 3 in a row to end the year and the defense (his specialty) sucked. His defenses with the Seahawks sucked as well, both when he was the head coach and when he was DB coach (his group was the worst on the team).

    Could UCLA have gone 9-5 with Rick? I think it would have been possible. Hundley was the real reason for improvement. Prince and Brehaut were arguably the worst QB's in the conference and played a key role on getting Rick fired.

    I'm not a cunt like Kim saying wait for Mora to implode, but the Mora dick sucking on here is a little strange. He really hasn't done shit yet.

    UCLA was 9-3 with an easier than average schedule by pac-10 standards. Mora is recruiting very well. I'm not sure Rick would have had them at 9-3...maybe 8-4 at best.

    UCLA actually lost a fair amount of talent and they do have to play Nebraska, USC, Oregon, Stanford and Arizona on the road with UW and ASU as their toughest games at home. If they went 9-3 that would be a great job by Mora where 8-4 would probably be my guess.

    UCLA's easy schedule last year inflated Mora slightly but he still would have been an awesome hire for us.
    Mora has been recruiting very well, but for the most part UCLA has always recruited well.

    Now that I look at their schedule, I don't see them having that great of a year. Their defense is going to get shredded in those road games. Hundley and the offense is going to need to out up some big numbers to win some of those games.

    Mora could very well be a big time coach like Petey. He could also be Al Groh or Dave Wandstett.
    In other words, Carroll is his ceiling, Sark is his floor.

    As opposed to Sark, who's basically Dave Wandstett without the killer stache.

  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,127
    edited May 2013

    I wish we would have gotten Mora in 2007, but I'm not sure if he is as great as some of you think he is. His team lost 3 in a row to end the year and the defense (his specialty) sucked. His defenses with the Seahawks sucked as well, both when he was the head coach and when he was DB coach (his group was the worst on the team).

    Could UCLA have gone 9-5 with Rick? I think it would have been possible. Hundley was the real reason for improvement. Prince and Brehaut were arguably the worst QB's in the conference and played a key role on getting Rick fired.

    I'm not a cunt like Kim saying wait for Mora to implode, but the Mora dick sucking on here is a little strange. He really hasn't done shit yet.

    UCLA was 9-3 with an easier than average schedule by pac-10 standards. Mora is recruiting very well. I'm not sure Rick would have had them at 9-3...maybe 8-4 at best.

    UCLA actually lost a fair amount of talent and they do have to play Nebraska, USC, Oregon, Stanford and Arizona on the road with UW and ASU as their toughest games at home. If they went 9-3 that would be a great job by Mora where 8-4 would probably be my guess.

    UCLA's easy schedule last year inflated Mora slightly but he still would have been an awesome hire for us.
    Mora has been recruiting very well, but for the most part UCLA has always recruited well.

    Now that I look at their schedule, I don't see them having that great of a year. Their defense is going to get shredded in those road games. Hundley and the offense is going to need to out up some big numbers to win some of those games.

    Mora could very well be a big time coach like Petey. He could also be Al Groh or Dave Wandstett.
    Well it sounds like you have your bases covered regardless of outcome.
    I'll put it this way. If I had to bet, he will be closer to Wandstett than Carroll. I don't see him leading UCLA to elite status. I think he is an above average to good coach, but I just don't see him becoming a great coach.

    He actually has a little in common with Sark. Mora is known for his defensive acumen, but he has commonly had defenses that suck. Sark is known as a good offense guy, yet has constantly fielded offenses that suck. The only time they thrived is when they had elite talent (Sark at USC, Mora in SF), and even then, they did worse than their predecessors.

    What is it that makes you think Mora is so great?



  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,280 Founders Club
    edited May 2013

    I wish we would have gotten Mora in 2007, but I'm not sure if he is as great as some of you think he is. His team lost 3 in a row to end the year and the defense (his specialty) sucked. His defenses with the Seahawks sucked as well, both when he was the head coach and when he was DB coach (his group was the worst on the team).

    Could UCLA have gone 9-5 with Rick? I think it would have been possible. Hundley was the real reason for improvement. Prince and Brehaut were arguably the worst QB's in the conference and played a key role on getting Rick fired.

    I'm not a cunt like Kim saying wait for Mora to implode, but the Mora dick sucking on here is a little strange. He really hasn't done shit yet.

    UCLA was 9-3 with an easier than average schedule by pac-10 standards. Mora is recruiting very well. I'm not sure Rick would have had them at 9-3...maybe 8-4 at best.

    UCLA actually lost a fair amount of talent and they do have to play Nebraska, USC, Oregon, Stanford and Arizona on the road with UW and ASU as their toughest games at home. If they went 9-3 that would be a great job by Mora where 8-4 would probably be my guess.

    UCLA's easy schedule last year inflated Mora slightly but he still would have been an awesome hire for us.
    Mora has been recruiting very well, but for the most part UCLA has always recruited well.

    Now that I look at their schedule, I don't see them having that great of a year. Their defense is going to get shredded in those road games. Hundley and the offense is going to need to out up some big numbers to win some of those games.

    Mora could very well be a big time coach like Petey. He could also be Al Groh or Dave Wandstett.
    Well it sounds like you have your bases covered regardless of outcome.
    I'll put it this way. If I had to bet, he will be closer to Wandstett than Carroll. I don't see him leading UCLA to elite status. I think he is an above average to good coach, but I just don't see him becoming a great coach.

    He actually has a little in common with Sark. Mora is known for his defensive acumen, but he has commonly had defenses that suck. Sark is known as a good offense guy, yet has constantly fielded offenses that suck. The only time they thrived is when they had elite talent (Sark at USC, Mora in SF), and even then, they did worse than their predecessors.

    What is it that makes you think Mora is so great?



    For me, I think it started with a 90-minute conversation I had with Hugh Millen back in 2007, where Hugh told me a lot of stories and data and said that he thought Mora would be the "perfect college football coach." His defenses in San Francisco were outstanding, he took ATL to the NFC title game, he's very intelligent, and he has that great charisma. As I have watched and followed Mora ever since, everything I see in him strikes me as a being a younger Pete Carroll-type. Like the judge who was asked how he knew something was pornography, he said "I know it when I see it." Most or all HHBs share this view of Mora. You just see it. And last year justified our viewpoint, much to the chagrin of Dawgman.com and doogs.

  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    I wish we would have gotten Mora in 2007, but I'm not sure if he is as great as some of you think he is. His team lost 3 in a row to end the year and the defense (his specialty) sucked. His defenses with the Seahawks sucked as well, both when he was the head coach and when he was DB coach (his group was the worst on the team).

    Could UCLA have gone 9-5 with Rick? I think it would have been possible. Hundley was the real reason for improvement. Prince and Brehaut were arguably the worst QB's in the conference and played a key role on getting Rick fired.

    I'm not a cunt like Kim saying wait for Mora to implode, but the Mora dick sucking on here is a little strange. He really hasn't done shit yet.

    UCLA was 9-3 with an easier than average schedule by pac-10 standards. Mora is recruiting very well. I'm not sure Rick would have had them at 9-3...maybe 8-4 at best.

    UCLA actually lost a fair amount of talent and they do have to play Nebraska, USC, Oregon, Stanford and Arizona on the road with UW and ASU as their toughest games at home. If they went 9-3 that would be a great job by Mora where 8-4 would probably be my guess.

    UCLA's easy schedule last year inflated Mora slightly but he still would have been an awesome hire for us.
    Mora has been recruiting very well, but for the most part UCLA has always recruited well.

    Now that I look at their schedule, I don't see them having that great of a year. Their defense is going to get shredded in those road games. Hundley and the offense is going to need to out up some big numbers to win some of those games.

    Mora could very well be a big time coach like Petey. He could also be Al Groh or Dave Wandstett.
    Well it sounds like you have your bases covered regardless of outcome.
    I'll put it this way. If I had to bet, he will be closer to Wandstett than Carroll. I don't see him leading UCLA to elite status. I think he is an above average to good coach, but I just don't see him becoming a great coach.

    He actually has a little in common with Sark. Mora is known for his defensive acumen, but he has commonly had defenses that suck. Sark is known as a good offense guy, yet has constantly fielded offenses that suck. The only time they thrived is when they had elite talent (Sark at USC, Mora in SF), and even then, they did worse than their predecessors.

    What is it that makes you think Mora is so great?



    For me, I think it started with a 90-minute conversation I had with Hugh Millen back in 2007, where Hugh told me a lot of stories and data and said that he thought Mora would be the "perfect college football coach." His defenses in San Francisco were outstanding, he took ATL to the NFC title game, he's very intelligent, and he has that great charisma. As I have watched and followed Mora ever since, everything I see in him strikes me as a being a younger Pete Carroll-type. Like the judge who was asked how he knew something was pornography, he said "I know it when I see it." Most or all HHBs share this view of Mora. You just see it. And last year justified our viewpoint, much to the chagrin of Dawgman.com and doogs.

    Mora passed your eye test?
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,127
    edited May 2013
    My rebuttal would be, who did UCLA beat? Their best win was against Nebraska who really was not anything special. Nebraska had a terrible defense. Their win at Arizona State was gritty, but ASU isn't anything special either. UW had a better "best win" than UCLA did.

    It was a pretty good season for Mora and UCLA, but there were some pretty big blemishes. A blowout loss to Cal, a blowout to Baylor in the bowl game. Not to mention, the Pac 12 South was terrible last year.

    It's also hard to ignore how bad some of his defenses have played for a defensive guy. I don't think he is as bad as the dawgman guys say, but I don't think he is as good as you guys think (at least he hasn't proven it yet).



  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186

    My rebuttal would be, who did UCLA beat? Their best win was against Nebraska who really was not anything special. Nebraska had a terrible defense. Their win at Arizona State was gritty, but ASU isn't anything special either. UW had a better "best win" than UCLA did.

    It was a pretty good season for Mora and UCLA, but there were some pretty big blemishes. A blowout loss to Cal, a blowout to Baylor in the bowl game. Not to mention, the Pac 12 South was terrible last year.

    It's also hard to ignore how bad some of his defenses have played for a defensive guy. I don't think he is as bad as the dawgman guys say, but I don't think he is as good as you guys think (at least he hasn't proven it yet).



    I know you're not comparing him to Sark per se, but since I hear a lot of people talk about how weak the South was, lets compare their results looking at common opponents:

    Stanford: Sark +1 win, +21 points
    USC: Mora +1 win, +20 points
    Arizona: Mora +1 win, +91 points (!)
    Oregon State: Sark +1 win, +10 points
    Cal: Sark +1 win, +34 points
    Utah: Both won, Sark +12 points
    CU: Both won, Sark +7 points
    WSU: Mora +1 win, +11 points

    So looking at common opponents they both went 5-3. Mora comes out with a 40 points advantage, or an average of 5 points of differential better per game.

    The point differentials are my biggest complaint with Sark (even bigger than 7-6, 7-6, 7-6, etc). It's not that he's a good coach who can't quite finish. He's actually been LUCKY to have the record he does. That does not bode well at all.

    If you put their 5 seasons of CFB together, Mora's one season of defense would rank at #3 of the 5 in points per game, which doesn't tell us much. Mora's one season of offense, OTOH, would rank at #1 of the 5 in points per game. That does tell us something, IMO. Mora's already had a better offensive season than any alleged offensive genius Steve Sarkisian has. Scary stuff.


  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    HHBs are experts at porn too