Roaddawg55, I am very impressed with your insight and your ability structure sound opinions. You are a welcome addition to the discussions on this board.
Roaddawg55, I am very impressed with your insight and your ability structure sound opinions. You are a welcome addition to the discussions on this board.
Roaddawg55, I am very impressed with your insight and your ability structure sound opinions. You are a welcome addition to the discussions on this board.
I wish we would have gotten Mora in 2007, but I'm not sure if he is as great as some of you think he is. His team lost 3 in a row to end the year and the defense (his specialty) sucked. His defenses with the Seahawks sucked as well, both when he was the head coach and when he was DB coach (his group was the worst on the team).
Could UCLA have gone 9-5 with Rick? I think it would have been possible. Hundley was the real reason for improvement. Prince and Brehaut were arguably the worst QB's in the conference and played a key role on getting Rick fired.
I'm not a cunt like Kim saying wait for Mora to implode, but the Mora dick sucking on here is a little strange. He really hasn't done shit yet.
UCLA was 9-3 with an easier than average schedule by pac-10 standards. Mora is recruiting very well. I'm not sure Rick would have had them at 9-3...maybe 8-4 at best.
UCLA actually lost a fair amount of talent and they do have to play Nebraska, USC, Oregon, Stanford and Arizona on the road with UW and ASU as their toughest games at home. If they went 9-3 that would be a great job by Mora where 8-4 would probably be my guess.
UCLA's easy schedule last year inflated Mora slightly but he still would have been an awesome hire for us.
Mora has been recruiting very well, but for the most part UCLA has always recruited well.
Now that I look at their schedule, I don't see them having that great of a year. Their defense is going to get shredded in those road games. Hundley and the offense is going to need to out up some big numbers to win some of those games.
Mora could very well be a big time coach like Petey. He could also be Al Groh or Dave Wandstett.
In other words, Carroll is his ceiling, Sark is his floor.
As opposed to Sark, who's basically Dave Wandstett without the killer stache.
I wish we would have gotten Mora in 2007, but I'm not sure if he is as great as some of you think he is. His team lost 3 in a row to end the year and the defense (his specialty) sucked. His defenses with the Seahawks sucked as well, both when he was the head coach and when he was DB coach (his group was the worst on the team).
Could UCLA have gone 9-5 with Rick? I think it would have been possible. Hundley was the real reason for improvement. Prince and Brehaut were arguably the worst QB's in the conference and played a key role on getting Rick fired.
I'm not a cunt like Kim saying wait for Mora to implode, but the Mora dick sucking on here is a little strange. He really hasn't done shit yet.
UCLA was 9-3 with an easier than average schedule by pac-10 standards. Mora is recruiting very well. I'm not sure Rick would have had them at 9-3...maybe 8-4 at best.
UCLA actually lost a fair amount of talent and they do have to play Nebraska, USC, Oregon, Stanford and Arizona on the road with UW and ASU as their toughest games at home. If they went 9-3 that would be a great job by Mora where 8-4 would probably be my guess.
UCLA's easy schedule last year inflated Mora slightly but he still would have been an awesome hire for us.
Mora has been recruiting very well, but for the most part UCLA has always recruited well.
Now that I look at their schedule, I don't see them having that great of a year. Their defense is going to get shredded in those road games. Hundley and the offense is going to need to out up some big numbers to win some of those games.
Mora could very well be a big time coach like Petey. He could also be Al Groh or Dave Wandstett.
Well it sounds like you have your bases covered regardless of outcome.
I'll put it this way. If I had to bet, he will be closer to Wandstett than Carroll. I don't see him leading UCLA to elite status. I think he is an above average to good coach, but I just don't see him becoming a great coach.
He actually has a little in common with Sark. Mora is known for his defensive acumen, but he has commonly had defenses that suck. Sark is known as a good offense guy, yet has constantly fielded offenses that suck. The only time they thrived is when they had elite talent (Sark at USC, Mora in SF), and even then, they did worse than their predecessors.
I wish we would have gotten Mora in 2007, but I'm not sure if he is as great as some of you think he is. His team lost 3 in a row to end the year and the defense (his specialty) sucked. His defenses with the Seahawks sucked as well, both when he was the head coach and when he was DB coach (his group was the worst on the team).
Could UCLA have gone 9-5 with Rick? I think it would have been possible. Hundley was the real reason for improvement. Prince and Brehaut were arguably the worst QB's in the conference and played a key role on getting Rick fired.
I'm not a cunt like Kim saying wait for Mora to implode, but the Mora dick sucking on here is a little strange. He really hasn't done shit yet.
UCLA was 9-3 with an easier than average schedule by pac-10 standards. Mora is recruiting very well. I'm not sure Rick would have had them at 9-3...maybe 8-4 at best.
UCLA actually lost a fair amount of talent and they do have to play Nebraska, USC, Oregon, Stanford and Arizona on the road with UW and ASU as their toughest games at home. If they went 9-3 that would be a great job by Mora where 8-4 would probably be my guess.
UCLA's easy schedule last year inflated Mora slightly but he still would have been an awesome hire for us.
Mora has been recruiting very well, but for the most part UCLA has always recruited well.
Now that I look at their schedule, I don't see them having that great of a year. Their defense is going to get shredded in those road games. Hundley and the offense is going to need to out up some big numbers to win some of those games.
Mora could very well be a big time coach like Petey. He could also be Al Groh or Dave Wandstett.
Well it sounds like you have your bases covered regardless of outcome.
I'll put it this way. If I had to bet, he will be closer to Wandstett than Carroll. I don't see him leading UCLA to elite status. I think he is an above average to good coach, but I just don't see him becoming a great coach.
He actually has a little in common with Sark. Mora is known for his defensive acumen, but he has commonly had defenses that suck. Sark is known as a good offense guy, yet has constantly fielded offenses that suck. The only time they thrived is when they had elite talent (Sark at USC, Mora in SF), and even then, they did worse than their predecessors.
What is it that makes you think Mora is so great?
For me, I think it started with a 90-minute conversation I had with Hugh Millen back in 2007, where Hugh told me a lot of stories and data and said that he thought Mora would be the "perfect college football coach." His defenses in San Francisco were outstanding, he took ATL to the NFC title game, he's very intelligent, and he has that great charisma. As I have watched and followed Mora ever since, everything I see in him strikes me as a being a younger Pete Carroll-type. Like the judge who was asked how he knew something was pornography, he said "I know it when I see it." Most or all HHBs share this view of Mora. You just see it. And last year justified our viewpoint, much to the chagrin of Dawgman.com and doogs.
I wish we would have gotten Mora in 2007, but I'm not sure if he is as great as some of you think he is. His team lost 3 in a row to end the year and the defense (his specialty) sucked. His defenses with the Seahawks sucked as well, both when he was the head coach and when he was DB coach (his group was the worst on the team).
Could UCLA have gone 9-5 with Rick? I think it would have been possible. Hundley was the real reason for improvement. Prince and Brehaut were arguably the worst QB's in the conference and played a key role on getting Rick fired.
I'm not a cunt like Kim saying wait for Mora to implode, but the Mora dick sucking on here is a little strange. He really hasn't done shit yet.
UCLA was 9-3 with an easier than average schedule by pac-10 standards. Mora is recruiting very well. I'm not sure Rick would have had them at 9-3...maybe 8-4 at best.
UCLA actually lost a fair amount of talent and they do have to play Nebraska, USC, Oregon, Stanford and Arizona on the road with UW and ASU as their toughest games at home. If they went 9-3 that would be a great job by Mora where 8-4 would probably be my guess.
UCLA's easy schedule last year inflated Mora slightly but he still would have been an awesome hire for us.
Mora has been recruiting very well, but for the most part UCLA has always recruited well.
Now that I look at their schedule, I don't see them having that great of a year. Their defense is going to get shredded in those road games. Hundley and the offense is going to need to out up some big numbers to win some of those games.
Mora could very well be a big time coach like Petey. He could also be Al Groh or Dave Wandstett.
Well it sounds like you have your bases covered regardless of outcome.
I'll put it this way. If I had to bet, he will be closer to Wandstett than Carroll. I don't see him leading UCLA to elite status. I think he is an above average to good coach, but I just don't see him becoming a great coach.
He actually has a little in common with Sark. Mora is known for his defensive acumen, but he has commonly had defenses that suck. Sark is known as a good offense guy, yet has constantly fielded offenses that suck. The only time they thrived is when they had elite talent (Sark at USC, Mora in SF), and even then, they did worse than their predecessors.
What is it that makes you think Mora is so great?
For me, I think it started with a 90-minute conversation I had with Hugh Millen back in 2007, where Hugh told me a lot of stories and data and said that he thought Mora would be the "perfect college football coach." His defenses in San Francisco were outstanding, he took ATL to the NFC title game, he's very intelligent, and he has that great charisma. As I have watched and followed Mora ever since, everything I see in him strikes me as a being a younger Pete Carroll-type. Like the judge who was asked how he knew something was pornography, he said "I know it when I see it." Most or all HHBs share this view of Mora. You just see it. And last year justified our viewpoint, much to the chagrin of Dawgman.com and doogs.
My rebuttal would be, who did UCLA beat? Their best win was against Nebraska who really was not anything special. Nebraska had a terrible defense. Their win at Arizona State was gritty, but ASU isn't anything special either. UW had a better "best win" than UCLA did.
It was a pretty good season for Mora and UCLA, but there were some pretty big blemishes. A blowout loss to Cal, a blowout to Baylor in the bowl game. Not to mention, the Pac 12 South was terrible last year.
It's also hard to ignore how bad some of his defenses have played for a defensive guy. I don't think he is as bad as the dawgman guys say, but I don't think he is as good as you guys think (at least he hasn't proven it yet).
My rebuttal would be, who did UCLA beat? Their best win was against Nebraska who really was not anything special. Nebraska had a terrible defense. Their win at Arizona State was gritty, but ASU isn't anything special either. UW had a better "best win" than UCLA did.
It was a pretty good season for Mora and UCLA, but there were some pretty big blemishes. A blowout loss to Cal, a blowout to Baylor in the bowl game. Not to mention, the Pac 12 South was terrible last year.
It's also hard to ignore how bad some of his defenses have played for a defensive guy. I don't think he is as bad as the dawgman guys say, but I don't think he is as good as you guys think (at least he hasn't proven it yet).
I know you're not comparing him to Sark per se, but since I hear a lot of people talk about how weak the South was, lets compare their results looking at common opponents:
Stanford: Sark +1 win, +21 points USC: Mora +1 win, +20 points Arizona: Mora +1 win, +91 points (!) Oregon State: Sark +1 win, +10 points Cal: Sark +1 win, +34 points Utah: Both won, Sark +12 points CU: Both won, Sark +7 points WSU: Mora +1 win, +11 points
So looking at common opponents they both went 5-3. Mora comes out with a 40 points advantage, or an average of 5 points of differential better per game.
The point differentials are my biggest complaint with Sark (even bigger than 7-6, 7-6, 7-6, etc). It's not that he's a good coach who can't quite finish. He's actually been LUCKY to have the record he does. That does not bode well at all.
If you put their 5 seasons of CFB together, Mora's one season of defense would rank at #3 of the 5 in points per game, which doesn't tell us much. Mora's one season of offense, OTOH, would rank at #1 of the 5 in points per game. That does tell us something, IMO. Mora's already had a better offensive season than any alleged offensive genius Steve Sarkisian has. Scary stuff.
Roaddawg55, I am very impressed with your insight and your ability structure sound opinions. You are a welcome addition to the discussions on this board.
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As opposed to Sark, who's basically Dave Wandstett without the killer stache.
He actually has a little in common with Sark. Mora is known for his defensive acumen, but he has commonly had defenses that suck. Sark is known as a good offense guy, yet has constantly fielded offenses that suck. The only time they thrived is when they had elite talent (Sark at USC, Mora in SF), and even then, they did worse than their predecessors.
What is it that makes you think Mora is so great?
It was a pretty good season for Mora and UCLA, but there were some pretty big blemishes. A blowout loss to Cal, a blowout to Baylor in the bowl game. Not to mention, the Pac 12 South was terrible last year.
It's also hard to ignore how bad some of his defenses have played for a defensive guy. I don't think he is as bad as the dawgman guys say, but I don't think he is as good as you guys think (at least he hasn't proven it yet).
Stanford: Sark +1 win, +21 points
USC: Mora +1 win, +20 points
Arizona: Mora +1 win, +91 points (!)
Oregon State: Sark +1 win, +10 points
Cal: Sark +1 win, +34 points
Utah: Both won, Sark +12 points
CU: Both won, Sark +7 points
WSU: Mora +1 win, +11 points
So looking at common opponents they both went 5-3. Mora comes out with a 40 points advantage, or an average of 5 points of differential better per game.
The point differentials are my biggest complaint with Sark (even bigger than 7-6, 7-6, 7-6, etc). It's not that he's a good coach who can't quite finish. He's actually been LUCKY to have the record he does. That does not bode well at all.
If you put their 5 seasons of CFB together, Mora's one season of defense would rank at #3 of the 5 in points per game, which doesn't tell us much. Mora's one season of offense, OTOH, would rank at #1 of the 5 in points per game. That does tell us something, IMO. Mora's already had a better offensive season than any alleged offensive genius Steve Sarkisian has. Scary stuff.