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Yes, breaking up monopolies and passing the Meat Inspection and Pure Food and Drug acts were very Marxist-Leninist. Keep the god damned government out of my tainted milk and rancid beef!Southerndawg said:
Lenin would agreeYellowSnow said:
This! Well put Benny.BennyBeaver said:
The contemporary common political conception of progressivism in the culture of the Western world emerged from the vast social changes brought about by industrialization in the Western world in the late 19th century, particularly out of the view that progress was being stifled by vast economic inequality between the rich and the poor; minimally regulated laissez-faire capitalism with monopolistic corporations; and intense and often violent conflict between workers and capitalists, thus claiming that measures were needed to address these problems.salemcoog said:
What does Progressivism mean to you?BennyBeaver said:
not true, but continue to keep that tidy little box around Progressivism.Southerndawg said:
However, progressivism is not rooted in classical western liberalism, and it's fair to say that progressive attitudes towards strong centralized government are akin to those Islam harbors towards strong theocracies. Both believe the masses need "help" in making decisions on their own and share a belief in control of the masses by a few in power.YellowSnow said:
No they have nothing in common politically. The issue with the progressive left vis-a-vis Islamic culture is their apologist attitude towards it. Either stand up for western liberal values or don't; don't given them a pass for the sake of diversity or post colonial guilt bullshit.Dude61 said:The Politics of Islam has far more in common with the Progressive Left than you realize. It is why they are so sympathetic to each other.
As Uncle Teddy said: "...wise progressivism and wise conservatism go hand in hand." -
True. However, this is but one example of the limits of labels when discussing political philosophies.Southerndawg said:
Classical western liberal principles are based on limited government, with a recognition that some is necessary for the very purposes you mention. Progressives go far beyond the limited government model of classical liberalism and in fact have a disdain for the constitution as it limits what they can do.YellowSnow said:
I am sure you and I would find plenty of areas of agreement in criticizing the progressive left and overreach by the federal government, but I would argue that there's nothing necessary incompatible between strong central government and classical western liberal principles. How many times in the history of the Republic did the federal government have to defend life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from tyrannies of the majority at the state and local level? Hell, our own Constitution came about as a result of to weak of a centralized government.Southerndawg said:
That's one issue, I totally agree. However, progressivism is not rooted in classical western liberalism, and it's fair to say that progressive attitudes towards strong centralized government are akin to those Islam harbors towards strong theocracies. Both believe the masses need "help" in making decisions on their own and share a belief in control of the masses by a few in power. I agree with you, this is not why they're sympathetic to one another, but it's true nonetheless.YellowSnow said:
No they have nothing in common politically. The issue with the progressive left vis-a-vis Islamic culture is their apologist attitude towards it. Either stand up for western liberal values or don't; don't given them a pass for the sake of diversity or post colonial guilt bullshit.Dude61 said:The Politics of Islam has far more in common with the Progressive Left than you realize. It is why they are so sympathetic to each other.
Classically liberal is almost as meaningless today as the term "doog", in that the "liberal" part has been co-opted. I think you're better off with "libertarian" ... at least we know what that's supposed to mean.
On the other side of the isle, my Republican heroes have committed the hubris of encouraging big government for all kinds of their own reasons. Certainly they don't advocate expansion of the welfare state, unless, like me, you count the military, because it does, after all, provide an employment outlet for our worst and dumbest. But they do seem to not mind the guvment regulating where you can put your cock, whether you can employ a vacuum cleaner to take care of a little mistake, and whether schools should have to teach mysticism as a core subject along side evolution, among other things. Apparently, the government should be regulating all manner of behavior, as it turns out. I don't know what makes them conservative any more, and I'm not sure I can even articulate what that term means. -
there's a term, it just escapes me for some reasoncreepycoug said:
True. However, this is but one example of the limits of labels when discussing political philosophies.Southerndawg said:
Classical western liberal principles are based on limited government, with a recognition that some is necessary for the very purposes you mention. Progressives go far beyond the limited government model of classical liberalism and in fact have a disdain for the constitution as it limits what they can do.YellowSnow said:
I am sure you and I would find plenty of areas of agreement in criticizing the progressive left and overreach by the federal government, but I would argue that there's nothing necessary incompatible between strong central government and classical western liberal principles. How many times in the history of the Republic did the federal government have to defend life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from tyrannies of the majority at the state and local level? Hell, our own Constitution came about as a result of to weak of a centralized government.Southerndawg said:
That's one issue, I totally agree. However, progressivism is not rooted in classical western liberalism, and it's fair to say that progressive attitudes towards strong centralized government are akin to those Islam harbors towards strong theocracies. Both believe the masses need "help" in making decisions on their own and share a belief in control of the masses by a few in power. I agree with you, this is not why they're sympathetic to one another, but it's true nonetheless.YellowSnow said:
No they have nothing in common politically. The issue with the progressive left vis-a-vis Islamic culture is their apologist attitude towards it. Either stand up for western liberal values or don't; don't given them a pass for the sake of diversity or post colonial guilt bullshit.Dude61 said:The Politics of Islam has far more in common with the Progressive Left than you realize. It is why they are so sympathetic to each other.
Classically liberal is almost as meaningless a term as "doog" in that the "liberal" part has been co-opted. I think you're better off with "libertarian" ... at least we know what that's supposed to mean.
On the other side of the isle, my Republican heroes have committed the hubris of encouraging big government for all kinds of their own reasons. Certainly they don't advocate expansion of the welfare state, unless, like me, you count the military, because it does, after all, provide an employment outlet for our worst and dumbest. But they do seem to not mind the guvment regulating where you can put your cock, whether you can employ a vacuum cleaner to take care of a little mistake, and whether schools should have to teach mysticism as a core subject along side evolution, among other things. Apparently, the government should be regulating all manner of behavior, as it turns out. I don't know what makes them conservative any more, and I'm not sure I can even articulate what that term means.
also, there are some smart people in the military
fuck off
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nuh uh. none. note one.AZDuck said:
also, there are some smart people in the militarycreepycoug said:
True. However, this is but one example of the limits of labels when discussing political philosophies.Southerndawg said:
Classical western liberal principles are based on limited government, with a recognition that some is necessary for the very purposes you mention. Progressives go far beyond the limited government model of classical liberalism and in fact have a disdain for the constitution as it limits what they can do.YellowSnow said:
I am sure you and I would find plenty of areas of agreement in criticizing the progressive left and overreach by the federal government, but I would argue that there's nothing necessary incompatible between strong central government and classical western liberal principles. How many times in the history of the Republic did the federal government have to defend life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from tyrannies of the majority at the state and local level? Hell, our own Constitution came about as a result of to weak of a centralized government.Southerndawg said:
That's one issue, I totally agree. However, progressivism is not rooted in classical western liberalism, and it's fair to say that progressive attitudes towards strong centralized government are akin to those Islam harbors towards strong theocracies. Both believe the masses need "help" in making decisions on their own and share a belief in control of the masses by a few in power. I agree with you, this is not why they're sympathetic to one another, but it's true nonetheless.YellowSnow said:
No they have nothing in common politically. The issue with the progressive left vis-a-vis Islamic culture is their apologist attitude towards it. Either stand up for western liberal values or don't; don't given them a pass for the sake of diversity or post colonial guilt bullshit.Dude61 said:The Politics of Islam has far more in common with the Progressive Left than you realize. It is why they are so sympathetic to each other.
Classically liberal is almost as meaningless a term as "doog" in that the "liberal" part has been co-opted. I think you're better off with "libertarian" ... at least we know what that's supposed to mean.
On the other side of the isle, my Republican heroes have committed the hubris of encouraging big government for all kinds of their own reasons. Certainly they don't advocate expansion of the welfare state, unless, like me, you count the military, because it does, after all, provide an employment outlet for our worst and dumbest. But they do seem to not mind the guvment regulating where you can put your cock, whether you can employ a vacuum cleaner to take care of a little mistake, and whether schools should have to teach mysticism as a core subject along side evolution, among other things. Apparently, the government should be regulating all manner of behavior, as it turns out. I don't know what makes them conservative any more, and I'm not sure I can even articulate what that term means.
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It was cut n paste job or in other words, a cop out,YellowSnow said:
This! Well put Benny.BennyBeaver said:
The contemporary common political conception of progressivism in the culture of the Western world emerged from the vast social changes brought about by industrialization in the Western world in the late 19th century, particularly out of the view that progress was being stifled by vast economic inequality between the rich and the poor; minimally regulated laissez-faire capitalism with monopolistic corporations; and intense and often violent conflict between workers and capitalists, thus claiming that measures were needed to address these problems.salemcoog said:
What does Progressivism mean to you?BennyBeaver said:
not true, but continue to keep that tidy little box around Progressivism.Southerndawg said:
However, progressivism is not rooted in classical western liberalism, and it's fair to say that progressive attitudes towards strong centralized government are akin to those Islam harbors towards strong theocracies. Both believe the masses need "help" in making decisions on their own and share a belief in control of the masses by a few in power.YellowSnow said:
No they have nothing in common politically. The issue with the progressive left vis-a-vis Islamic culture is their apologist attitude towards it. Either stand up for western liberal values or don't; don't given them a pass for the sake of diversity or post colonial guilt bullshit.Dude61 said:The Politics of Islam has far more in common with the Progressive Left than you realize. It is why they are so sympathetic to each other.
As Uncle Teddy said: "...wise progressivism and wise conservatism go hand in hand." -
Whos shit did you plagerism?BennyBeaver said:
The contemporary common political conception of progressivism in the culture of the Western world emerged from the vast social changes brought about by industrialization in the Western world in the late 19th century, particularly out of the view that progress was being stifled by vast economic inequality between the rich and the poor; minimally regulated laissez-faire capitalism with monopolistic corporations; and intense and often violent conflict between workers and capitalists, thus claiming that measures were needed to address these problems.salemcoog said:
What does Progressivism mean to you?BennyBeaver said:
not true, but continue to keep that tidy little box around Progressivism.Southerndawg said:
However, progressivism is not rooted in classical western liberalism, and it's fair to say that progressive attitudes towards strong centralized government are akin to those Islam harbors towards strong theocracies. Both believe the masses need "help" in making decisions on their own and share a belief in control of the masses by a few in power.YellowSnow said:
No they have nothing in common politically. The issue with the progressive left vis-a-vis Islamic culture is their apologist attitude towards it. Either stand up for western liberal values or don't; don't given them a pass for the sake of diversity or post colonial guilt bullshit.Dude61 said:The Politics of Islam has far more in common with the Progressive Left than you realize. It is why they are so sympathetic to each other.
As Uncle Teddy said: "...wise progressivism and wise conservatism go hand in hand." -
The Western socialist left detests the United States and its capitalist economic system, and seeks to facilitate that systems downfall by any means necessary -- including the formation of whatever alliances will further that ultimate objective.allpurpleallgold said:
Explain.Dude61 said:The Politics of Islam has far more in common with the Progressive Left than you realize. It is why they are so sympathetic to each other.
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Pumpy good at everything.RaceBannon said:
Whos shit did you plagerism?BennyBeaver said:
The contemporary common political conception of progressivism in the culture of the Western world emerged from the vast social changes brought about by industrialization in the Western world in the late 19th century, particularly out of the view that progress was being stifled by vast economic inequality between the rich and the poor; minimally regulated laissez-faire capitalism with monopolistic corporations; and intense and often violent conflict between workers and capitalists, thus claiming that measures were needed to address these problems.salemcoog said:
What does Progressivism mean to you?BennyBeaver said:
not true, but continue to keep that tidy little box around Progressivism.Southerndawg said:
However, progressivism is not rooted in classical western liberalism, and it's fair to say that progressive attitudes towards strong centralized government are akin to those Islam harbors towards strong theocracies. Both believe the masses need "help" in making decisions on their own and share a belief in control of the masses by a few in power.YellowSnow said:
No they have nothing in common politically. The issue with the progressive left vis-a-vis Islamic culture is their apologist attitude towards it. Either stand up for western liberal values or don't; don't given them a pass for the sake of diversity or post colonial guilt bullshit.Dude61 said:The Politics of Islam has far more in common with the Progressive Left than you realize. It is why they are so sympathetic to each other.
As Uncle Teddy said: "...wise progressivism and wise conservatism go hand in hand." -
Dude61 said:
The Western socialist left detests the United States and its capitalist economic system, and seeks to facilitate that systems downfall by any means necessary -- including the formation of whatever alliances will further that ultimate objective.allpurpleallgold said:
Explain.Dude61 said:The Politics of Islam has far more in common with the Progressive Left than you realize. It is why they are so sympathetic to each other.
