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Not sure it really does long-term...my guess (I haven't dug into the details) is that it improves it by making it more sustainable (vs. the "death spiral" Obamacare is in that few want to accept). There is something to be said for that I guess, but structurally its like a shitty head coach hiring a new offensive and defensive coordinator hoping for different results. They may improve, but its never going to fix the fundamental problem.2001400ex said:
Ok. So next question. How will this bill fix any of those issues?HoustonHusky said:
Premiums way up over estimations, number of insurers participating keep dropping each year, something like 17 of the 23 co-ops set up have already failed, most of the state exchanges are on life support with Federal grants (I think 5 have already closed), etc. etc. On top of that several of the subsidies expire this year, which will make it worse. It is a long laundry list.2001400ex said:
I just want you to explain the reasons why.RaceBannon said:Even the democrats know Obamacare is dead hondo. You can stop sucking Obama's dick now
As a result the number of people participating in the exchanges is WAY below projections (while Medicaid people are up...which is why Dems think it is a "success"). Close out the (illegal) gift payments Obama tried and did from the govt to the insurance companies and it will just accelerate the collapse.
Best thing Repubs could do is barely not pass a fix and the next day focus on taxes and start pointing each and every day at Democrats saying every single Democrat voted against a fix...repeat over and over that they passed the failing law and and they refused to fix it.
Worse thing they could do is force through a probable improvement that still isn't great and somehow then get blamed for it all.
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it will make it less sustainable by taking away the individual mandate and replacing it with one that encourages healthy people to be uninsured until they get sick. you can't include the preexisting conditions provision and not pay for it.HoustonHusky said:
Not sure it really does long-term...my guess (I haven't dug into the details) is that it improves it by making it more sustainable (vs. the "death spiral" Obamacare is in that few want to accept). There is something to be said for that I guess, but structurally its like a shitty head coach hiring a new offensive and defensive coordinator hoping for different results. They may improve, but its never going to fix the fundamental problem.2001400ex said:
Ok. So next question. How will this bill fix any of those issues?HoustonHusky said:
Premiums way up over estimations, number of insurers participating keep dropping each year, something like 17 of the 23 co-ops set up have already failed, most of the state exchanges are on life support with Federal grants (I think 5 have already closed), etc. etc. On top of that several of the subsidies expire this year, which will make it worse. It is a long laundry list.2001400ex said:
I just want you to explain the reasons why.RaceBannon said:Even the democrats know Obamacare is dead hondo. You can stop sucking Obama's dick now
As a result the number of people participating in the exchanges is WAY below projections (while Medicaid people are up...which is why Dems think it is a "success"). Close out the (illegal) gift payments Obama tried and did from the govt to the insurance companies and it will just accelerate the collapse.
Best thing Repubs could do is barely not pass a fix and the next day focus on taxes and start pointing each and every day at Democrats saying every single Democrat voted against a fix...repeat over and over that they passed the failing law and and they refused to fix it.
Worse thing they could do is force through a probable improvement that still isn't great and somehow then get blamed for it all.
Obamacare was not my preference, but the only reason it will completely "fail" is marco rubio pulling out the risk corridors and trump's IRS choosing not to enforce the penalty on the mandate.
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Not really. Everyone likes free shit. Is Kansas raising $1.5-$2.0 billion in taxes to pay for the 152,000 additional people that went on Medicaid, or they just adding it to the national debt?BennyBeaver said: -
Ok. The things that this bill changes, won't help with Obamacare. When you look at it, nothing fixes the core issues. Which you are partially correct on, with not enough providers in the exchanges in some places. When now, the employer mandate is a big deal that helps and brings down costs, this bill eliminates that. This bill also eliminates the subsidies for the lower incomes (primarily the lower middle class as those in poverty are on Medicaid).HoustonHusky said:
Not sure it really does long-term...my guess (I haven't dug into the details) is that it improves it by making it more sustainable (vs. the "death spiral" Obamacare is in that few want to accept). There is something to be said for that I guess, but structurally its like a shitty head coach hiring a new offensive and defensive coordinator hoping for different results. They may improve, but its never going to fix the fundamental problem.2001400ex said:
Ok. So next question. How will this bill fix any of those issues?HoustonHusky said:
Premiums way up over estimations, number of insurers participating keep dropping each year, something like 17 of the 23 co-ops set up have already failed, most of the state exchanges are on life support with Federal grants (I think 5 have already closed), etc. etc. On top of that several of the subsidies expire this year, which will make it worse. It is a long laundry list.2001400ex said:
I just want you to explain the reasons why.RaceBannon said:Even the democrats know Obamacare is dead hondo. You can stop sucking Obama's dick now
As a result the number of people participating in the exchanges is WAY below projections (while Medicaid people are up...which is why Dems think it is a "success"). Close out the (illegal) gift payments Obama tried and did from the govt to the insurance companies and it will just accelerate the collapse.
Best thing Repubs could do is barely not pass a fix and the next day focus on taxes and start pointing each and every day at Democrats saying every single Democrat voted against a fix...repeat over and over that they passed the failing law and and they refused to fix it.
Worse thing they could do is force through a probable improvement that still isn't great and somehow then get blamed for it all.
A very simple fix no one discusses, is the exchanges run by county. Make it so the whole state is subject to the same exchange. The more competition, the better. Another possibility is allowing insurance across state lines, which I read good and bad things about.
Either way, this bill does nothing to solve the issues with Obamacare. The millionaires will appreciate the bill tho. I'm not sure the average republican will like the bill when they get kicked off insurance or can't afford it. Which means in 2018, Republicans should be worried. -
I'll make a prediction: The democrats will publicly "fight" the new health care law but will let the Republicans pass it. They know that it is absolute shit and will use it as a campaign issue for 2020 and as a way to get single payer.
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I'd agree if the democrats in office now actually were for the idea of single payer. many aren'tbananasnblondes said:I'll make a prediction: The democrats will publicly "fight" the new health care law but will let the Republicans pass it. They know that it is absolute shit and will use it as a campaign issue for 2020 and as a way to get single payer.
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Sounds about rightbananasnblondes said:I'll make a prediction: The democrats will publicly "fight" the new health care law but will let the Republicans pass it. They know that it is absolute shit and will use it as a campaign issue for 2020 and as a way to get single payer.
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2018.bananasnblondes said:I'll make a prediction: The democrats will publicly "fight" the new health care law but will let the Republicans pass it. They know that it is absolute shit and will use it as a campaign issue for 2020 and as a way to get single payer.
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doesn't look like they have the votes in either house.
those don['t include sens like poortman who are leaning against -
May as well not even play the votes then.TierbsHsotBoobs said:"There is no three-phase process. There is no three-step plan. That is just political talk. It's just politicians engaging in spin," Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Arkansas, told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt
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I like how it's cool again to take every campaign promise as if there-* all gonna happen, again, in 2017.dhdawg said:He made a promise to cover everyone at a lower cost
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And allows something like a 30% surcharge for someone who allows their insurance to lapse and then tries to sign up again which probably does about the same thing as the mandate. Call me skeptical for you having an informed, unbiased view of either Obamacare or this bill...dhdawg said:
it will make it less sustainable by taking away the individual mandate and replacing it with one that encourages healthy people to be uninsured until they get sick. you can't include the preexisting conditions provision and not pay for it.HoustonHusky said:
Not sure it really does long-term...my guess (I haven't dug into the details) is that it improves it by making it more sustainable (vs. the "death spiral" Obamacare is in that few want to accept). There is something to be said for that I guess, but structurally its like a shitty head coach hiring a new offensive and defensive coordinator hoping for different results. They may improve, but its never going to fix the fundamental problem.2001400ex said:
Ok. So next question. How will this bill fix any of those issues?HoustonHusky said:
Premiums way up over estimations, number of insurers participating keep dropping each year, something like 17 of the 23 co-ops set up have already failed, most of the state exchanges are on life support with Federal grants (I think 5 have already closed), etc. etc. On top of that several of the subsidies expire this year, which will make it worse. It is a long laundry list.2001400ex said:
I just want you to explain the reasons why.RaceBannon said:Even the democrats know Obamacare is dead hondo. You can stop sucking Obama's dick now
As a result the number of people participating in the exchanges is WAY below projections (while Medicaid people are up...which is why Dems think it is a "success"). Close out the (illegal) gift payments Obama tried and did from the govt to the insurance companies and it will just accelerate the collapse.
Best thing Repubs could do is barely not pass a fix and the next day focus on taxes and start pointing each and every day at Democrats saying every single Democrat voted against a fix...repeat over and over that they passed the failing law and and they refused to fix it.
Worse thing they could do is force through a probable improvement that still isn't great and somehow then get blamed for it all.
Obamacare was not my preference, but the only reason it will completely "fail" is marco rubio pulling out the risk corridors and trump's IRS choosing not to enforce the penalty on the mandate.
And yeah, the trainwreck will only fail because of Republicans...spin, spin away... -
Insurers started pulling out because of the absence of the risk corridors and because the gov't wouldn't approve their mergers.HoustonHusky said:
And allows something like a 30% surcharge for someone who allows their insurance to lapse and then tries to sign up again which probably does about the same thing as the mandate. Call me skeptical for you having an informed, unbiased view of either Obamacare or this bill...dhdawg said:
it will make it less sustainable by taking away the individual mandate and replacing it with one that encourages healthy people to be uninsured until they get sick. you can't include the preexisting conditions provision and not pay for it.HoustonHusky said:
Not sure it really does long-term...my guess (I haven't dug into the details) is that it improves it by making it more sustainable (vs. the "death spiral" Obamacare is in that few want to accept). There is something to be said for that I guess, but structurally its like a shitty head coach hiring a new offensive and defensive coordinator hoping for different results. They may improve, but its never going to fix the fundamental problem.2001400ex said:
Ok. So next question. How will this bill fix any of those issues?HoustonHusky said:
Premiums way up over estimations, number of insurers participating keep dropping each year, something like 17 of the 23 co-ops set up have already failed, most of the state exchanges are on life support with Federal grants (I think 5 have already closed), etc. etc. On top of that several of the subsidies expire this year, which will make it worse. It is a long laundry list.2001400ex said:
I just want you to explain the reasons why.RaceBannon said:Even the democrats know Obamacare is dead hondo. You can stop sucking Obama's dick now
As a result the number of people participating in the exchanges is WAY below projections (while Medicaid people are up...which is why Dems think it is a "success"). Close out the (illegal) gift payments Obama tried and did from the govt to the insurance companies and it will just accelerate the collapse.
Best thing Repubs could do is barely not pass a fix and the next day focus on taxes and start pointing each and every day at Democrats saying every single Democrat voted against a fix...repeat over and over that they passed the failing law and and they refused to fix it.
Worse thing they could do is force through a probable improvement that still isn't great and somehow then get blamed for it all.
Obamacare was not my preference, but the only reason it will completely "fail" is marco rubio pulling out the risk corridors and trump's IRS choosing not to enforce the penalty on the mandate.
And yeah, the trainwreck will only fail because of Republicans...spin, spin away...
Again not my preferred choice of legislation but it's not collapsing or even in eminent collapse at the moment -
OK Now Liberal fucktard is pointing to Kansas to make a point in favor Obamacare.BennyBeaver said:
You can't have it both ways. I miss Beavermobile more and more everyday. -
They'll get bought off.dhdawg said:
doesn't look like they have the votes in either house.
those don['t include sens like poortman who are leaning against -
Absence of risk corridors? You mean the things that are suppose to wash out, but instead had millions flowing into them and billions requested out, and which were illegal bailouts to insurance companies because they weren't approved by Congress and go against Justice Dept guidelines? And still is a drop in the bucket compared to the entire mess?dhdawg said:
Insurers started pulling out because of the absence of the risk corridors and because the gov't wouldn't approve their mergers.HoustonHusky said:
And allows something like a 30% surcharge for someone who allows their insurance to lapse and then tries to sign up again which probably does about the same thing as the mandate. Call me skeptical for you having an informed, unbiased view of either Obamacare or this bill...dhdawg said:
it will make it less sustainable by taking away the individual mandate and replacing it with one that encourages healthy people to be uninsured until they get sick. you can't include the preexisting conditions provision and not pay for it.HoustonHusky said:
Not sure it really does long-term...my guess (I haven't dug into the details) is that it improves it by making it more sustainable (vs. the "death spiral" Obamacare is in that few want to accept). There is something to be said for that I guess, but structurally its like a shitty head coach hiring a new offensive and defensive coordinator hoping for different results. They may improve, but its never going to fix the fundamental problem.2001400ex said:
Ok. So next question. How will this bill fix any of those issues?HoustonHusky said:
Premiums way up over estimations, number of insurers participating keep dropping each year, something like 17 of the 23 co-ops set up have already failed, most of the state exchanges are on life support with Federal grants (I think 5 have already closed), etc. etc. On top of that several of the subsidies expire this year, which will make it worse. It is a long laundry list.2001400ex said:
I just want you to explain the reasons why.RaceBannon said:Even the democrats know Obamacare is dead hondo. You can stop sucking Obama's dick now
As a result the number of people participating in the exchanges is WAY below projections (while Medicaid people are up...which is why Dems think it is a "success"). Close out the (illegal) gift payments Obama tried and did from the govt to the insurance companies and it will just accelerate the collapse.
Best thing Repubs could do is barely not pass a fix and the next day focus on taxes and start pointing each and every day at Democrats saying every single Democrat voted against a fix...repeat over and over that they passed the failing law and and they refused to fix it.
Worse thing they could do is force through a probable improvement that still isn't great and somehow then get blamed for it all.
Obamacare was not my preference, but the only reason it will completely "fail" is marco rubio pulling out the risk corridors and trump's IRS choosing not to enforce the penalty on the mandate.
And yeah, the trainwreck will only fail because of Republicans...spin, spin away...
Again not my preferred choice of legislation but it's not collapsing or even in eminent collapse at the moment
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Kansas is trying to recover from tremendous fiscal irresponsibility.HoustonHusky said:
Not really. Everyone likes free shit. Is Kansas raising $1.5-$2.0 billion in taxes to pay for the 152,000 additional people that went on Medicaid, or they just adding it to the national debt?BennyBeaver said: -
Let us all kneel in the direction of Mecca for Kansas.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Kansas is trying to recover from tremendous fiscal irresponsibility.HoustonHusky said:
Not really. Everyone likes free shit. Is Kansas raising $1.5-$2.0 billion in taxes to pay for the 152,000 additional people that went on Medicaid, or they just adding it to the national debt?BennyBeaver said:
Talk about hypocritical douchery. -
I'm with the Freedom Cocks on this one. Hold out for a better deal.
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I thought the approach was three pronged?RaceBannon said:I'm with the Freedom Cocks on this one. Hold out for a better deal.
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There are multiple approaches with multiple prongs.
You guys suck at reading Trump. That is proven. -
It's clear your ass is one with Trump's dick.RaceBannon said:There are multiple approaches with multiple prongs.
You guys suck at reading Trump. That is proven. -
Things losers say2001400ex said:
It's clear your ass is one with Trump's dick.RaceBannon said:There are multiple approaches with multiple prongs.
You guys suck at reading Trump. That is proven. -
sounds like it might pass with some changes.
problem is those changes are going to make it less likely to pass the senate. -
we're bringing back crap on a stick to sell for 10 bucks.
They're going to rewrite the bill and pass it tomorrow -
People will be free to select and pay for higher coverages.
Why are you so worried for others to make personal decisions regarding their own medical care? -
You should get double the coverage on your knees. They've taken some serious punishment recently.
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worth mentioning as the gop plans to rewrite its bill in the dark of night and vote on it the next day
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Choose your own healthcare works great until cancer chooses you.doogie said:People will be free to select and pay for higher coverages.
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Sure. Then you take the aspirin they give you till they switch you to the oxy. You get better or you die. Same as it always was.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Choose your own healthcare works great until cancer chooses you.doogie said:People will be free to select and pay for higher coverages.
Why are you so worried for others to make personal decisions regarding their own medical care?
