Mike Hopkins?
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I was thinking the same thing in regards to assistants and P5 jobs. Usually there is a mid-major in there somewhere. Chris Collins is the only one I can think of. I believe he went straight from coach K to Northwestern. We could do worse if he ends up like Collins.RoadDawg55 said:There are things to be optimistic about but it's a little disheartening to hire an assistant. I can't recall any former assistant getting a P-5 job and becoming great.
That said I kind of figured UW would hire a younger, up and coming coach. Maybe we found our Billy Donovan. -
Good to see that you don't pay much attention ...RoadDawg55 said:There are things to be optimistic about but it's a little disheartening to hire an assistant. I can't recall any former assistant getting a P-5 job and becoming great.
That said I kind of figured UW would hire a younger, up and coming coach. Maybe we found our Billy Donovan.
Let's start with Roy Williams ... North Carolina --> Kansas
Let's start with Tom Izzo ... promoted from the bench at Michigan St
Chris Collins is well on his way ...
It's fair to say it's more common in football because the number of quality jobs differ significantly.
In basketball, it typically doesn't happen this way given the number of conferences in place and the general acceptance that after paying your dues on a big staff you go to a smaller conference where you have a 2-4 year run where you dominate your smaller conference and prove that you're a big fish in a small pond.
But to draw a conclusion that for a coach to be good they have to have paid their dues at some smaller school isn't accurate either. -
Here we go with this "learning on the job" rhetoric. You guys really overestimate what these guys do. Learn what on the job? What exactly are you so scared a guy that's been an assistant for two decades won't know how to do?
I don't know anything about the success rates of hiring assistants or proven head coaches in college basketball. It definitely seems like generally guys do work their way up more so than in college football. But this guy is either a good coach or not, he's not going to struggle because of this made up learning concern you all get stuck on. -
Oddly the last time "we" termed it was regarding Sark. And the last time I checked he was a pretty sought after assistant coachallpurpleallgold said:Here we go with this "learning on the job" rhetoric. You guys really overestimate what these guys do. Learn what on the job? What exactly are you so scared a guy that's been an assistant for two decades won't know how to do?
I don't know anything about the success rates of hiring assistants or proven head coaches in college basketball. It definitely seems like generally guys do work their way up more so than in college football. But this guy is either a good coach or not, he's not going to struggle because of this made up learning concern you all get stuck on. -
Until we know what Hopkins is set to earn for his salary it's hard to determine whether Tinkle beat him out or if it was a budget decision as Tinkle signed a 6 year $6.6M contract upon taking the Oregon State job.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/05/montana_coach_wayne_tinkle_syr.html#incart_river_defaultTequilla said:From what I've read the USC situation was hit or miss as he was interested in the job but Syracuse made a run to the Final Four and that pushed them to make the decision to take on Enfield versus the potential that Hopkins wasn't going to take the job ... apparently SC also didn't feel like he was ready to leave Syracuse.
I've heard nothing on Oregon State other than what you're saying @Gladstone ...
The USC/UW jobs would be more consistent with what he's publicly stated on the types of jobs that he'd be willing to take
Beat out by Tinkle, but let's Doog it up
"Montana coach Wayne Tinkle, Syracuse assistant Mike Hopkins finalists for Oregon State Beavers' head coaching job"
If the $$$ is similar than you can conclude that Tinkle beat out Hopkins. -
That MBA logistics, I'm more on the digital side, O 1Tequilla said:
Until we know what Hopkins is set to earn for his salary it's hard to determine whether Tinkle beat him out or if it was a budget decision as Tinkle signed a 6 year $6.6M contract upon taking the Oregon State job.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/05/montana_coach_wayne_tinkle_syr.html#incart_river_defaultTequilla said:From what I've read the USC situation was hit or miss as he was interested in the job but Syracuse made a run to the Final Four and that pushed them to make the decision to take on Enfield versus the potential that Hopkins wasn't going to take the job ... apparently SC also didn't feel like he was ready to leave Syracuse.
I've heard nothing on Oregon State other than what you're saying @Gladstone ...
The USC/UW jobs would be more consistent with what he's publicly stated on the types of jobs that he'd be willing to take
Beat out by Tinkle, but let's Doog it up
"Montana coach Wayne Tinkle, Syracuse assistant Mike Hopkins finalists for Oregon State Beavers' head coaching job"
If the $$$ is similar than you can conclude that Tinkle beat out Hopkins.
Yes he got the job, no he didn't get the job -
He has to learn how to foul with a three point lead.allpurpleallgold said:Here we go with this "learning on the job" rhetoric. You guys really overestimate what these guys do. Learn what on the job? What exactly are you so scared a guy that's been an assistant for two decades won't know how to do?
I don't know anything about the success rates of hiring assistants or proven head coaches in college basketball. It definitely seems like generally guys do work their way up more so than in college football. But this guy is either a good coach or not, he's not going to struggle because of this made up learning concern you all get stuck on.
That's it. -
Sark didn't have 20 years of experience.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Oddly the last time "we" termed it was regarding Sark. And the last time I checked he was a pretty sought after assistant coachallpurpleallgold said:Here we go with this "learning on the job" rhetoric. You guys really overestimate what these guys do. Learn what on the job? What exactly are you so scared a guy that's been an assistant for two decades won't know how to do?
I don't know anything about the success rates of hiring assistants or proven head coaches in college basketball. It definitely seems like generally guys do work their way up more so than in college football. But this guy is either a good coach or not, he's not going to struggle because of this made up learning concern you all get stuck on. -
Now you're just being a bitter bitch because of some light hearted ribbing over your dooginess. I was thinking more recent, but still. Collins has had one good season. I can think of many more assistants who failed. There are quite a few Dukies before Collins that failed. Like you kind of mentioned, most of the time they go to a mid major to earn their stripes and get an initial p-5 job.Tequilla said:
Good to see that you don't pay much attention ...RoadDawg55 said:There are things to be optimistic about but it's a little disheartening to hire an assistant. I can't recall any former assistant getting a P-5 job and becoming great.
That said I kind of figured UW would hire a younger, up and coming coach. Maybe we found our Billy Donovan.
Let's start with Roy Williams ... North Carolina --> Kansas
Let's start with Tom Izzo ... promoted from the bench at Michigan St
Chris Collins is well on his way ...
It's fair to say it's more common in football because the number of quality jobs differ significantly.
In basketball, it typically doesn't happen this way given the number of conferences in place and the general acceptance that after paying your dues on a big staff you go to a smaller conference where you have a 2-4 year run where you dominate your smaller conference and prove that you're a big fish in a small pond.
But to draw a conclusion that for a coach to be good they have to have paid their dues at some smaller school isn't accurate either.
I didn't draw any conclusion. I just don't love hiring the assistant, even a highly respected one like Hopkins. I don't hate it either. Just commenting on a hoops message board about the new hire. -
But still rolled out of bed drunk to coach for a National Championship contender in college and NFL Super Bowl Team in the same fucking year.AlCzervik said:
Sark didn't have 20 years of experience.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Oddly the last time "we" termed it was regarding Sark. And the last time I checked he was a pretty sought after assistant coachallpurpleallgold said:Here we go with this "learning on the job" rhetoric. You guys really overestimate what these guys do. Learn what on the job? What exactly are you so scared a guy that's been an assistant for two decades won't know how to do?
I don't know anything about the success rates of hiring assistants or proven head coaches in college basketball. It definitely seems like generally guys do work their way up more so than in college football. But this guy is either a good coach or not, he's not going to struggle because of this made up learning concern you all get stuck on.
I'm in the LIPO mode, but you guys seriously need to stop doogin so hard. UW hired and paid this coach to learn on the job. Obviously 20 years of experience didn't mean shit to USC and Oregon State. -
Not being a bitter bitch ... just pointing out that probably 2 of the top 5 to 10 college coaches went the major assistant to P5 job and have been highly successful.RoadDawg55 said:
Now you're just being a bitter bitch because of some light hearted ribbing over your dooginess. I was thinking more recent, but still. Collins has had one good season. I can think of many more assistants who failed. There are quite a few Dukies before Collins that failed. Like you kind of mentioned, most of the time they go to a mid major to earn their stripes and get an initial p-5 job.Tequilla said:
Good to see that you don't pay much attention ...RoadDawg55 said:There are things to be optimistic about but it's a little disheartening to hire an assistant. I can't recall any former assistant getting a P-5 job and becoming great.
That said I kind of figured UW would hire a younger, up and coming coach. Maybe we found our Billy Donovan.
Let's start with Roy Williams ... North Carolina --> Kansas
Let's start with Tom Izzo ... promoted from the bench at Michigan St
Chris Collins is well on his way ...
It's fair to say it's more common in football because the number of quality jobs differ significantly.
In basketball, it typically doesn't happen this way given the number of conferences in place and the general acceptance that after paying your dues on a big staff you go to a smaller conference where you have a 2-4 year run where you dominate your smaller conference and prove that you're a big fish in a small pond.
But to draw a conclusion that for a coach to be good they have to have paid their dues at some smaller school isn't accurate either.
I didn't draw any conclusion. I just don't love hiring the assistant, even a highly respected one like Hopkins. I don't hate it either. Just commenting on a hoops message board about the new hire.
Give me a list of coaching candidates and I'll give my thoughts on them ... if Hopkins was on the list I probably would have listed him about middle of the road.
This is the definite LIPO hire ...
It's also not the kind of hire that will immediately get me to buy season tickets for hoops. -
Hello from a Syracuse fan. I'm a believer in Mike Hopkins and want to congratulate you on a great hire. Mike is one of our all time great players, a west coast native, and a key to the success Syracuse has had over the past several decades. He's a passionate guy who can get the best from his players.
He's probably stayed at Syracuse too long and could have been a HC a long time ago, but he's been very loyal to SU and Boeheim. I won't belabor the point as I've written long posts in other threads, but he's a fan and players favorite at SU. I wish you and him the best of good fortune, but not without mourning his departure. He's been a great asset to our university and community. Congratulations!! -
This hire takes me from a guy who watched the MBB team to see the train wreck and hope for a result ugly enough to get Romar fired to a guy who doesn't care and wont until given a reason to by the performance of the team. The Huskies have been so poorly coached and managed for so long that getting excited for the Hopkins era is a long reach for me. If he can manage to secure the Garfeild kids, play well in the non conference, beat all the shitty teams we pay to beat in Hec Ed then maybe as the Pac season rolls around I may jump on board. Until then....yawn.
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Is that like judging recruits by their offers rather then their actual body of work?NeGgaPlEaSe said:
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/05/montana_coach_wayne_tinkle_syr.html#incart_river_defaultTequilla said:From what I've read the USC situation was hit or miss as he was interested in the job but Syracuse made a run to the Final Four and that pushed them to make the decision to take on Enfield versus the potential that Hopkins wasn't going to take the job ... apparently SC also didn't feel like he was ready to leave Syracuse.
I've heard nothing on Oregon State other than what you're saying @Gladstone ...
The USC/UW jobs would be more consistent with what he's publicly stated on the types of jobs that he'd be willing to take
Beat out by Tinkle, but let's Doog it up
"Montana coach Wayne Tinkle, Syracuse assistant Mike Hopkins finalists for Oregon State Beavers' head coaching job" -
Yeah no.allpurpleallgold said:Here we go with this "learning on the job" rhetoric. You guys really overestimate what these guys do. Learn what on the job? What exactly are you so scared a guy that's been an assistant for two decades won't know how to do?
I don't know anything about the success rates of hiring assistants or proven head coaches in college basketball. It definitely seems like generally guys do work their way up more so than in college football. But this guy is either a good coach or not, he's not going to struggle because of this made up learning concern you all get stuck on.
There is a significant difference between being an individual contributor who, say, focuses on the frontcourt vs the responsibilities of a head coach. This post got a ton of chins. Am I taking crazy pills? -
The chins are because the "learning on the job" thing is mostly bullshit. If he sucks, he's not going to be better for somebody else 5 years from now because he "learned on the job" at UW. He's still going to suck.Gladstone said:
Yeah no.allpurpleallgold said:Here we go with this "learning on the job" rhetoric. You guys really overestimate what these guys do. Learn what on the job? What exactly are you so scared a guy that's been an assistant for two decades won't know how to do?
I don't know anything about the success rates of hiring assistants or proven head coaches in college basketball. It definitely seems like generally guys do work their way up more so than in college football. But this guy is either a good coach or not, he's not going to struggle because of this made up learning concern you all get stuck on.
There is a significant difference between being an individual contributor who, say, focuses on the frontcourt vs the responsibilities of a head coach. This post got a ton of chins. Am I taking crazy pills?
The list of coaches who made any massive development in their skills from their first job to the end of their career is short. The people who do are usually the ones who are great from the beginning (i.e. year 3 or before), then the world catches up to them and they have to adjust to become great again.
It's very rare that a coach goes from bad to good. Ergo they don't "learn on the job". They either have it or they don't.
Hopkins might have it. He might not. But there's not a lot he's going to be learning on the job. He either knows it or he doesn't.
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Doogs already love the hire, even though they had never heard of the guy before the announcement. CHRIST.
Who does this describe...?
No prior head coaching experience
Former boss and media raves about him being a great coach
Rumored to be a great recruiter
Assistant to a legendary coach at a powerhouse program
???
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Bob Hopkins would have been a more exciting selection.ThomasFremont said:Doogs already love the hire, even though they had never heard of the guy before the announcement. CHRIST.
Who does this describe...?
No prior head coaching experience
Former boss and media raves about him being a great coach
Rumored to be a great recruiter
Assistant to a legendary coach at a powerhouse program
???
And he dead.
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And yet again you don't get it.ThomasFremont said:Doogs already love the hire, even though they had never heard of the guy before the announcement. CHRIST.
Who does this describe...?
No prior head coaching experience
Former boss and media raves about him being a great coach
Rumored to be a great recruiter
Assistant to a legendary coach at a powerhouse program
???
Least you are consistent. I don't love
it or hate it. Only saying LIPO. Saying
the hire sucks before a ball has even
been rolled out is just echo chamber
thinking. -
Congratulations on being the 81st poster to compare Hopkins to Sark.ThomasFremont said:Doogs already love the hire, even though they had never heard of the guy before the announcement. CHRIST.
Who does this describe...?
No prior head coaching experience
Former boss and media raves about him being a great coach
Rumored to be a great recruiter
Assistant to a legendary coach at a powerhouse program
??? -
To UW fans every single coach is either Don James, Sark, Ty, or Neu.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Congratulations on being the 81st poster to compare Hopkins to Sark.ThomasFremont said:Doogs already love the hire, even though they had never heard of the guy before the announcement. CHRIST.
Who does this describe...?
No prior head coaching experience
Former boss and media raves about him being a great coach
Rumored to be a great recruiter
Assistant to a legendary coach at a powerhouse program
??? -
Or Ernie KentFremontTroll said:
To UW fans every single coach is either Don James, Sark, Ty, or Neu.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Congratulations on being the 81st poster to compare Hopkins to Sark.ThomasFremont said:Doogs already love the hire, even though they had never heard of the guy before the announcement. CHRIST.
Who does this describe...?
No prior head coaching experience
Former boss and media raves about him being a great coach
Rumored to be a great recruiter
Assistant to a legendary coach at a powerhouse program
??? -
We can LIPO while still saying the hire sucks.whuggy said:
And yet again you don't get it.ThomasFremont said:Doogs already love the hire, even though they had never heard of the guy before the announcement. CHRIST.
Who does this describe...?
No prior head coaching experience
Former boss and media raves about him being a great coach
Rumored to be a great recruiter
Assistant to a legendary coach at a powerhouse program
???
Least you are consistent. I don't love
it or hate it. Only saying LIPO. Saying
the hire sucks before a ball has even
been rolled out is just echo chamber
thinking.
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Doogs don't get it. He sucks until he doesn't, 22 wins and Tournament apprearance or GTFO, and LIPO. Has he offered Porter co assistant HC job and pics of Jens Tits yet?Gladstone said:
We can LIPO while still saying the hire sucks.whuggy said:
And yet again you don't get it.ThomasFremont said:Doogs already love the hire, even though they had never heard of the guy before the announcement. CHRIST.
Who does this describe...?
No prior head coaching experience
Former boss and media raves about him being a great coach
Rumored to be a great recruiter
Assistant to a legendary coach at a powerhouse program
???
Least you are consistent. I don't love
it or hate it. Only saying LIPO. Saying
the hire sucks before a ball has even
been rolled out is just echo chamber
thinking. -
Bob Hopkins brought Slick Watts to Seattle and then did so bad as coach that he got fired and Lenny Wilkens came in and went to two straight FinalsPurpleThrobber said:
Bob Hopkins would have been a more exciting selection.ThomasFremont said:Doogs already love the hire, even though they had never heard of the guy before the announcement. CHRIST.
Who does this describe...?
No prior head coaching experience
Former boss and media raves about him being a great coach
Rumored to be a great recruiter
Assistant to a legendary coach at a powerhouse program
???
And he dead. -
Yeah but how is that a less exciting hire than Hopkins?RaceBannon said:
Bob Hopkins brought Slick Watts to Seattle and then did so bad as coach that he got fired and Lenny Wilkens came in and went to two straight FinalsPurpleThrobber said:
Bob Hopkins would have been a more exciting selection.ThomasFremont said:Doogs already love the hire, even though they had never heard of the guy before the announcement. CHRIST.
Who does this describe...?
No prior head coaching experience
Former boss and media raves about him being a great coach
Rumored to be a great recruiter
Assistant to a legendary coach at a powerhouse program
???
And he dead. -
Naw, I was FIRST!!1!TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Congratulations on being the 81st poster to compare Hopkins to Sark.ThomasFremont said:Doogs already love the hire, even though they had never heard of the guy before the announcement. CHRIST.
Who does this describe...?
No prior head coaching experience
Former boss and media raves about him being a great coach
Rumored to be a great recruiter
Assistant to a legendary coach at a powerhouse program
???
