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  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    I'm somewhat more liberal than they come and that's fucking ridiculous.
  • AlCzervik
    AlCzervik Member Posts: 1,774
    Murray's a provocateur. As long as he doesn't endorse blowing little kids I like it.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    AlCzervik said:

    Murray's a provocateur. As long as he doesn't endorse blowing little kids I like it.

    Would you be ok with the chinverse, SoC delivered from a cathedral?
  • AlCzervik
    AlCzervik Member Posts: 1,774

    AlCzervik said:

    Murray's a provocateur. As long as he doesn't endorse blowing little kids I like it.

    Would you be ok with the chinverse, SoC delivered from a cathedral?
    I'm not OK with either. Murray will get noticed though.
  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    I hate the mixing of religion and politics. Dont know what the point of this is besides showing that a gay man can go into a mosque without being being stoned to death.
  • Baphomet
    Baphomet Member Posts: 1,511
    In this thread, a bunch of posters missing the point.
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    AlCzervik said:

    Murray's a provocateur. As long as he doesn't endorse blowing little kids I like it.

    Would you be ok with the chinverse, SoC delivered from a cathedral?
    Cathedral wouldn't be the inverse of a mosque.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    AlCzervik said:

    Murray's a provocateur. As long as he doesn't endorse blowing little kids I like it.

    Would you be ok with the chinverse, SoC delivered from a cathedral?
    Cathedral wouldn't be the inverse of a mosque.
    True. That would be more like Republican mayor speaking from Baptist church.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    FFRF has symmetry at least.
    https://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/28739-ffrf-uneasy-about-seattle-mayor-s-official-mosque-speech
    The Freedom From Religion Foundation is concerned that the Seattle mayor's upcoming State of the City address (on Feb. 21) is scheduled to be delivered in a mosque.

    In a letter to the mayor, FFRF Co-Presidents Dan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor commend Mayor Ed Murray's intention to stand against "state-sanctioned discrimination by the Trump administration," and agree with his characterization of the Muslim travel ban. FFRF is preparing an amicus brief against Trump's ban based on a religious test, and has publicly condemned it and urged its membership to oppose it.

    However, FFRF believes that "the city should not oppose one violation of the Establishment Clause by committing another." An official address at a religious venue sends a message of endorsement of that venue's beliefs. In this case, this incorporates the Idris Mosque's criteria for couples wishing to get married at the mosque, which include a refusal to marry Muslim women and non-Muslim men, approval of the marriage by the parties' fathers or recognized Muslim guardians, (a condition that "especially applies to the bride)" and an agreement on a dowry between the bride's guardian and the groom.

    "The Supreme Court has said time and again that the First Amendment 'mandates governmental neutrality between religion and religion, and between religion and nonreligion,'" Barker and Gaylor write to Murray. "Signaling endorsement of a religious group while acting as a state official is inappropriate and divisive."
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,941 Founders Club
    RedRocket said:

    I hate the mixing of religion and politics. Dont know what the point of this is besides showing that a gay man can go into a mosque without being being stoned to death.

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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,305 Founders Club
    Why is the progressive left such a bunch of apologists to the most illiberal of the three monotheistic faiths? For fucks sake, Ed, a majority of muslims in the world according to public opinion polling, would want to stone you to death. Give me a real, non pussy, liberal like Sam Harris who is consistent in thinking all theism is bullshit
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,041 Standard Supporter
    Baphomet said:

    In this thread, a bunch of posters missing the point.

    Please. You have the conch. Speak your wisdom.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,941 Founders Club

    Baphomet said:

    In this thread, a bunch of posters missing the point.

    Please. You have the conch. Speak your wisdom.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,941 Founders Club

    Why is the progressive left such a bunch of apologists to the most illiberal of the three monotheistic faiths? For fucks sake, Ed, a majority of muslims in the world according to public opinion polling, would want to stone you to death. Give me a real, non pussy, liberal like Sam Harris who is consistent in thinking all theism is bullshit

    I've wondered myself why this is the hill the left has decided to die on. Its horrible bet.

    Europe is going to get their own "Trumps".

    Because it helps them IMO
    Great point Race
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    Baphomet said:

    In this thread, a bunch of posters missing the point.

    Please. You have the conch. Speak your wisdom.
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    Thud?

    Thud.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Who gives a fuck?

    the national prayer breakfast is still a thing.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    dhdawg said:

    Who gives a fuck?

    the national prayer breakfast is still a thing.

    I don't aside from hypocrisy.

    Prayer breakfast is ecumenical, not held in a sacred building, and most importantly is not a function of government.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    edited February 2017

    dhdawg said:

    Who gives a fuck?

    the national prayer breakfast is still a thing.

    I don't aside from hypocrisy.

    Prayer breakfast is ecumenical, not held in a sacred building, and most importantly is not a function of government.
    I really wasn't making a comparison. If I had my way none of it would be happening.

    Holding the state of the city in a mosque is a symbolic act of solidarity to a group many find to be a persecuted minority. not an endorsement of the religion of islam.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    dhdawg said:

    dhdawg said:

    Who gives a fuck?

    the national prayer breakfast is still a thing.

    I don't aside from hypocrisy.

    Prayer breakfast is ecumenical, not held in a sacred building, and most importantly is not a function of government.
    I really wasn't making a comparison. If I had my way none of it would be happening.

    Holding the state of the city in a mosque is a symbolic act of solidarity to a group many find to be a persecuted minority. not an endorsement of the religion of islam.
    Chintegrity saved then.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    dhdawg said:

    dhdawg said:

    Who gives a fuck?

    the national prayer breakfast is still a thing.

    I don't aside from hypocrisy.

    Prayer breakfast is ecumenical, not held in a sacred building, and most importantly is not a function of government.
    I really wasn't making a comparison. If I had my way none of it would be happening.

    Holding the state of the city in a mosque is a symbolic act of solidarity to a group many find to be a persecuted minority. not an endorsement of the religion of islam.
    Chintegrity saved then.
    fair enough
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288

    Why is the progressive left such a bunch of apologists to the most illiberal of the three monotheistic faiths? For fucks sake, Ed, a majority of muslims in the world according to public opinion polling, would want to stone you to death. Give me a real, non pussy, liberal like Sam Harris who is consistent in thinking all theism is bullshit

    I've wondered myself why this is the hill the left has decided to die on. Its horrible bet.

    Europe is going to get their own "Trumps".

    Hair, check. Islamophobe, check. Hated by the establishment, check.

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    #VoteHimIn

    #DutchTrump
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    dhdawg said:

    Who gives a fuck?

    the national prayer breakfast is still a thing.

    I don't aside from hypocrisy.

    Prayer breakfast is ecumenical, not held in a sacred building, and most importantly is not a function of government.
    Not an Ed Murray fan, and this is obviously a political move.

    But so is the fucking prayer breakfast.

    Both are dumb.