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What is the net migration of Central Americans that come through Mexico HondoFS?2001400ex said:
You do realize there's been basically a net migration by Mexicans out of America, right? Not to mention about half of illegal immigrants actually enter the country legally.Dude61 said:
I read a study by FAIR that estimated the total burden on taxpayers in 2013 for illegal immigration exceeded $113 billion. The burden on Washington State in 2013 was $1.4 billion. A $15 billion investment in a wall has a quick payback. ONTH, there are other, cheaper ways to break the will of anyone wanting to cross the border illegally, and forcing those here illegally to leave.dhdawg said:
Until we scrap this idea of a worthless 15 billion dollar border wall I don't want to hear about anything "wasting taxpayer money"PostGameOrangeSlices said:Really? To me, it seems like a waste of time and taxpayer money, but to each their own
FWIW I think this may get overturned
So a wall is a solution without a problem.
You realize illegals get billions in public assistance right?2001400ex said:
You do realize illegals don't get public assistance already. And one of the contributing factors to less illegal immigration is that Bush and Obama have increased security, border patrol, and deportations the last 15 years.Dude61 said:
Other options:dnc said:I feel dirty but I'm with the bored libs here. The wall is going to be massively ineffective. It won't solve people overstaying their visas, it won't solve the millions who are already here (and will likely encourage a surge of those coming/decrease of those returning south before it is in place), and it won't solve the tunnels.
It's a massively expensive partial solution. To me it's not close to worth it.
Repeal the anchor baby law.
Cut off all public assistance to illegals.
Punish companies that employ illegals. (Canada has some tough laws in this regard}
Develop a temporary work visa to allow migrant workers.
Less Humanitarian option:
Deploy state National Guards to border and give a two week notice. Shoot on sight anyone trying to cross illegally.
It's almost like you don't understand reality.
By VERY conservative measure...
SNAP:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poor-illegal-immigrants-get-food-stamps-denied-to-poor-u.s.-citizens-2-billion-worth/article/2596115
Medicaid:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/how-undocumented-immigrants-sometimes-receive-medicaid-treatment/
And yes, those are just two small measured amounts...as somebody referenced before it has been reported to be as high as $113 billion a year, and no body can argue with the fact that govt money is spent. And yes...a lot of it is at the state and local level where they are footing the bill for teachers trying to get kids who don't speak English caught up in school, etc.
http://www.fairus.org/docserver/uscoststudy_2010.pdf
And another part that is always ignored is the stupid money the Feds pay back to illegal immigrants in Earned Income Tax Credit...
http://freebeacon.com/issues/illegal-immigrants-eligible-for-up-to-eight-refundable-tax-credits/
And another side question...why is it every Liberal hero like this idiotic Washington AG look like they have a soft skull and can get beat up by a 10 year old? You think probability would kick in and they would have at least 1 normal guy step forward but nope...
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It's almost like you are only telling part of the story.HoustonHusky said:
What is the net migration of Central Americans that come through Mexico HondoFS?2001400ex said:
You do realize there's been basically a net migration by Mexicans out of America, right? Not to mention about half of illegal immigrants actually enter the country legally.Dude61 said:
I read a study by FAIR that estimated the total burden on taxpayers in 2013 for illegal immigration exceeded $113 billion. The burden on Washington State in 2013 was $1.4 billion. A $15 billion investment in a wall has a quick payback. ONTH, there are other, cheaper ways to break the will of anyone wanting to cross the border illegally, and forcing those here illegally to leave.dhdawg said:
Until we scrap this idea of a worthless 15 billion dollar border wall I don't want to hear about anything "wasting taxpayer money"PostGameOrangeSlices said:Really? To me, it seems like a waste of time and taxpayer money, but to each their own
FWIW I think this may get overturned
So a wall is a solution without a problem.
You realize illegals get billions in public assistance right?2001400ex said:
You do realize illegals don't get public assistance already. And one of the contributing factors to less illegal immigration is that Bush and Obama have increased security, border patrol, and deportations the last 15 years.Dude61 said:
Other options:dnc said:I feel dirty but I'm with the bored libs here. The wall is going to be massively ineffective. It won't solve people overstaying their visas, it won't solve the millions who are already here (and will likely encourage a surge of those coming/decrease of those returning south before it is in place), and it won't solve the tunnels.
It's a massively expensive partial solution. To me it's not close to worth it.
Repeal the anchor baby law.
Cut off all public assistance to illegals.
Punish companies that employ illegals. (Canada has some tough laws in this regard}
Develop a temporary work visa to allow migrant workers.
Less Humanitarian option:
Deploy state National Guards to border and give a two week notice. Shoot on sight anyone trying to cross illegally.
It's almost like you don't understand reality.
By VERY conservative measure...
SNAP:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poor-illegal-immigrants-get-food-stamps-denied-to-poor-u.s.-citizens-2-billion-worth/article/2596115
Medicaid:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/how-undocumented-immigrants-sometimes-receive-medicaid-treatment/
And yes, those are just two small measured amounts...as somebody referenced before it has been reported to be as high as $113 billion a year, and no body can argue with the fact that govt money is spent. And yes...a lot of it is at the state and local level where they are footing the bill for teachers trying to get kids who don't speak English caught up in school, etc.
http://www.fairus.org/docserver/uscoststudy_2010.pdf
And another part that is always ignored is the stupid money the Feds pay back to illegal immigrants in Earned Income Tax Credit...
http://freebeacon.com/issues/illegal-immigrants-eligible-for-up-to-eight-refundable-tax-credits/
And another side question...why is it every Liberal hero like this idiotic Washington AG look like they have a soft skull and can get beat up by a 10 year old? You think probability would kick in and they would have at least 1 normal guy step forward but nope...
Based on an audit by the Treasury Inspector General, the claim leaves out some context. Trump conflates "illegal immigrants" with "unauthorized workers," a group composed largely of undocumented immigrants but also legal immigrants and others. The $4.2 billion refers to the amount given in tax credit refunds for children, the large majority of whom are U.S. citizens. And the actual year is 2009, not 2011 (that was the year the report was published).
Also, it's important to note that illegal immigrants pay an estimated $12 billion in payroll taxes to Social Security and don't receive benefits. So Trump is leaving out a significant part of the picture when it comes to taxes and undocumented workers.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/18/donald-trump/trump-illegal-immigrants-four-two-billion/ -
What the hell are you talking about? You said "illegals don't get public assistance already". That is fucking stupid lie by any and all measures.
And linking to Politifact as a rebuttal to anything I (didn't) type is just comical...as if they aren't biased or anything. One of many examples...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-25/politifact-apparently-even-facts-are-subjective-and-based-party-affiliation
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Right. Did you even read the zero hedge article? Zero hedge complaining about fake news is laughable.HoustonHusky said:What the hell are you talking about? You said "illegals don't get public assistance already". That is fucking stupid lie by any and all measures.
And linking to Politifact as a rebuttal to anything I (didn't) type is just comical...as if they aren't biased or anything. One of many examples...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-25/politifact-apparently-even-facts-are-subjective-and-based-party-affiliation -
Zero hedge. lol. Fuck off you Texas sodomite.HoustonHusky said:What the hell are you talking about? You said "illegals don't get public assistance already". That is fucking stupid lie by any and all measures.
And linking to Politifact as a rebuttal to anything I (didn't) type is just comical...as if they aren't biased or anything. One of many examples...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-25/politifact-apparently-even-facts-are-subjective-and-based-party-affiliation -
2001400ex said:
@61blowjobs:
Since I'm a nice guy, I'll provide you some education so you don't look more like a dumbfuck.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/
ZeroHedge > CNN2001400ex said:
Right. Did you even read the zero hedge article? Zero hedge complaining about fake news is laughable.HoustonHusky said:What the hell are you talking about? You said "illegals don't get public assistance already". That is fucking stupid lie by any and all measures.
And linking to Politifact as a rebuttal to anything I (didn't) type is just comical...as if they aren't biased or anything. One of many examples...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-25/politifact-apparently-even-facts-are-subjective-and-based-party-affiliation -
Read facts. You can research many different websites.Dude61 said:2001400ex said:@61blowjobs:
Since I'm a nice guy, I'll provide you some education so you don't look more like a dumbfuck.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/
ZeroHedge > CNN2001400ex said:
Right. Did you even read the zero hedge article? Zero hedge complaining about fake news is laughable.HoustonHusky said:What the hell are you talking about? You said "illegals don't get public assistance already". That is fucking stupid lie by any and all measures.
And linking to Politifact as a rebuttal to anything I (didn't) type is just comical...as if they aren't biased or anything. One of many examples...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-25/politifact-apparently-even-facts-are-subjective-and-based-party-affiliation -
CirrhosisDawg said:
Suck it Coker and nacho lover. Bishop Blanchet class of 1983!BearsWiin said:have an Attorney General who understnads and respects the Constitution

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Go Braves!CirrhosisDawg said:
Suck it Coker and nacho lover. Bishop Blanchet class of 1983!BearsWiin said:have an Attorney General who understnads and respects the Constitution

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I'm reporting that @HoustonHusky is retarded.





