Poll - Why is the Middle East such a pain in the arse?
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It's been known to raise tempersSwaye said:
Isn't that a hot sauce?BearsWiin said:
Get back to me after you've read up on Wahhabism.salemcoog said:
Saudi hasn't done shit for their infrastructure as a whole. Iran and Afghani built radical Islam. Iraq allowed them to offer a huge IPO.BearsWiin said:
But that export is a recent phenomenon. Radical Islamic fundamentalism has been around for centuries as a fringe element, but it's only taken hold since the 1970's when the common guy on the street saw his govt. getting rich off oil exports and funneling it into massive infrastructure and education investments (like in Iran and Saudi Arabia) but not into political reform. Political frustration needs an outlet, and radical Islamic fundamentalism became the means of expression for many who couldn't do it through political means. In Afghanistan, it was a matter of foreign (Soviet) occupation helping to radicalize the locals, and Al Qaeda's lashing out at us was in large part a reaction to US occupation post-Iraq. Theology is a tool of expression, but it's not the cause; political frustration is.YellowSnow said:
Those are all critical factors and you are correct in pointing out the messes in Central American and sub Saharan Africa and yet none of those regions have exported terror and/or the threat thereof on a similar scale to the West.BearsWiin said:Postcolonial legacy of stunted civil society and borders in the wrong places, coupled with lousy strongman govts. over the last several decades that we were OK with as long as they were anticommunist.
Africa has been a fucking mess, and only a part of it has Muslim influence. Central and South America have been a mess and only recently might be getting their shit together, and they're predominantly Catholic. It's not the theology. It's the institutions. -
The Theology of Islam- i.e, text of the Quran and Hadith, Kill the Infadels, etc, etcWanting to kill everyone usually leads to people not liking you.
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A lot of that is coherent and quite insightfulBearsWiin said:Postcolonial legacy of stunted civil society and borders in the wrong places, coupled with lousy strongman govts. over the last several decades that we were OK with as long as they were anticommunist.
Africa has been a fucking mess, and only a part of it has Muslim influence. Central and South America have been a mess and only recently might be getting their shit together, and they're predominantly Catholic. It's not the theology. It's the institutions.
Thanks for mentioning Wahhabism, as a master of Google Fu I was quickly brought up to speed...BearsWiin said:
Get back to me after you've read up on Wahhabism.salemcoog said:
Saudi hasn't done shit for their infrastructure as a whole. Iran and Afghani built radical Islam. Iraq allowed them to offer a huge IPO.BearsWiin said:
But that export is a recent phenomenon. Radical Islamic fundamentalism has been around for centuries as a fringe element, but it's only taken hold since the 1970's when the common guy on the street saw his govt. getting rich off oil exports and funneling it into massive infrastructure and education investments (like in Iran and Saudi Arabia) but not into political reform. Political frustration needs an outlet, and radical Islamic fundamentalism became the means of expression for many who couldn't do it through political means. In Afghanistan, it was a matter of foreign (Soviet) occupation helping to radicalize the locals, and Al Qaeda's lashing out at us was in large part a reaction to US occupation post-Iraq. Theology is a tool of expression, but it's not the cause; political frustration is.YellowSnow said:
Those are all critical factors and you are correct in pointing out the messes in Central American and sub Saharan Africa and yet none of those regions have exported terror and/or the threat thereof on a similar scale to the West.BearsWiin said:Postcolonial legacy of stunted civil society and borders in the wrong places, coupled with lousy strongman govts. over the last several decades that we were OK with as long as they were anticommunist.
Africa has been a fucking mess, and only a part of it has Muslim influence. Central and South America have been a mess and only recently might be getting their shit together, and they're predominantly Catholic. It's not the theology. It's the institutions.
Knew Saudi Arabia was totally fucked up, and now I know the theological/ historical origins
Let's just say tolerance for differing views isn't their strong point
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The Theology of Islam- i.e, text of the Quran and Hadith, Kill the Infadels, etc, etcSaudi Arabia is the center of the Islamic pimple. Pop that shit and the rest of it is just a matter of cleaning up the mess.
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Cold War Policy- e.g., 1953 Coup in Iran, Afghanistan (mujahideen), etcShoving Israel up their asses and backing dictators in the region seems like a good starting point.
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The Theology of Islam- i.e, text of the Quran and Hadith, Kill the Infadels, etc, etc
Blaming America makes sense. It existed back in the prehistoric age when Abraham two holed Hagar and she shit out Ishmael, the bastard father of the Arabs, and they started behaving like 'the wild jackasses of men' they were known as back then and still are today. And we probably did something to piss them off back in the 600's when Muhammed wrote his book of fatwas, in between fucking his 9 year old wives.ThomasFremont said:Shoving Israel up their asses and backing dictators in the region seems like a good starting point.
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Cold War Policy- e.g., 1953 Coup in Iran, Afghanistan (mujahideen), etc
I am not blaming America. The Soviets did the same thing. So did colonial Europeans before that.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Blaming America makes sense. It existed back in the prehistoric age when Abraham two holed Hagar and she shit out Ishmael, the bastard father of the Arabs, and they started behaving like 'the wild jackasses of men' they were known as back then and still are today. And we probably did something to piss them off back in the 600's when Muhammed wrote his book of fatwas, in between fucking his 9 year old wives.ThomasFremont said:Shoving Israel up their asses and backing dictators in the region seems like a good starting point.
But America isn't innocent in all of this either.
But thanks for the cool prehistoric history lesson, faggot. -
The Theology of Islam- i.e, text of the Quran and Hadith, Kill the Infadels, etc, etc
You're welcome, camel fucker.ThomasFremont said:
I am not blaming America. The Soviets did the same thing. So did colonial Europeans before that.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Blaming America makes sense. It existed back in the prehistoric age when Abraham two holed Hagar and she shit out Ishmael, the bastard father of the Arabs, and they started behaving like 'the wild jackasses of men' they were known as back then and still are today. And we probably did something to piss them off back in the 600's when Muhammed wrote his book of fatwas, in between fucking his 9 year old wives.ThomasFremont said:Shoving Israel up their asses and backing dictators in the region seems like a good starting point.
But America isn't innocent in all of this either.
But thanks for the cool prehistoric history lesson, faggot. -
Too many Dinosaurs died in the Middle East
Everyone wants to kill youSledog said:Wanting to kill everyone usually leads to people not liking you.
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Cold War Policy- e.g., 1953 Coup in Iran, Afghanistan (mujahideen), etc
Don't talk about your mom like that.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You're welcome, camel fucker.ThomasFremont said:
I am not blaming America. The Soviets did the same thing. So did colonial Europeans before that.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Blaming America makes sense. It existed back in the prehistoric age when Abraham two holed Hagar and she shit out Ishmael, the bastard father of the Arabs, and they started behaving like 'the wild jackasses of men' they were known as back then and still are today. And we probably did something to piss them off back in the 600's when Muhammed wrote his book of fatwas, in between fucking his 9 year old wives.ThomasFremont said:Shoving Israel up their asses and backing dictators in the region seems like a good starting point.
But America isn't innocent in all of this either.
But thanks for the cool prehistoric history lesson, faggot.
Only I get to call her that. -
The Theology of Islam- i.e, text of the Quran and Hadith, Kill the Infadels, etc, etcThe towel head 'religion' is incompatible with western societies. Some of you fucktards don't even know that it isn't a religion at all, but a political system. While you faggots are crying crocodile tears over the poor little drowned Syrian boy (who was probably drowned by the Muslims as a propaganda tool), the seeds of sharia law have already begun to sprout in Europe. The raghead mayor of London banned ads of women in bikinis, panties and bras on the Tube. "Body shaming" he calls it. That is how it starts. The Europeans are pussies. They take that shit and do nothing about it.
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Yeah, that's always been Europe's problemoregonblitzkrieg said:The towel head 'religion' is incompatible with western societies. Some of you fucktards don't even know that it isn't a religion at all, but a political system. While you faggots are crying crocodile tears over the poor little drowned Syrian boy (who was probably drowned by the Muslims as a propaganda tool), the seeds of sharia law have already begun to sprout in Europe. The raghead mayor of London banned ads of women in bikinis, panties and bras on the Tube. "Body shaming" he calls it. That is how it starts. The Europeans are pussies. They take that shit and do nothing about it.
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europe's vetting process is tissue paper. ours is strict as fuck. along with the fact that we are and have always been far superior at assimilation.oregonblitzkrieg said:The towel head 'religion' is incompatible with western societies. Some of you fucktards don't even know that it isn't a religion at all, but a political system. While you faggots are crying crocodile tears over the poor little drowned Syrian boy (who was probably drowned by the Muslims as a propaganda tool), the seeds of sharia law have already begun to sprout in Europe. The raghead mayor of London banned ads of women in bikinis, panties and bras on the Tube. "Body shaming" he calls it. That is how it starts. The Europeans are pussies. They take that shit and do nothing about it.
those who use europe to support their demagoguery don't acknowledge either of these two things -
The Theology of Islam- i.e, text of the Quran and Hadith, Kill the Infadels, etc, etc
We aren't allowed to go to Saudi Arabia and some other Islamic countries. We are forbidden to enter Mecca as infidels. Why the fuck should we let them travel to or emigrate here? It isn't demagoguery to forbid citizens of other countries from coming here. They aren't citizens of the US and have no right to be here if we say they don't.dhdawg said:
europe's vetting process is tissue paper. ours is strict as fuck. along with the fact that we are and have always been far superior at assimilation.oregonblitzkrieg said:The towel head 'religion' is incompatible with western societies. Some of you fucktards don't even know that it isn't a religion at all, but a political system. While you faggots are crying crocodile tears over the poor little drowned Syrian boy (who was probably drowned by the Muslims as a propaganda tool), the seeds of sharia law have already begun to sprout in Europe. The raghead mayor of London banned ads of women in bikinis, panties and bras on the Tube. "Body shaming" he calls it. That is how it starts. The Europeans are pussies. They take that shit and do nothing about it.
those who use europe to support their demagoguery don't acknowledge either of these two things -
Write In OptionSexual frustration and lack of booze IMO
I would be beheading people and committing terrorist attacks too -
Cold War Policy- e.g., 1953 Coup in Iran, Afghanistan (mujahideen), etc
Well there goes my vacation plans.oregonblitzkrieg said:
We aren't allowed to go to Saudi Arabia and some other Islamic countries. We are forbidden to enter Mecca as infidels. Why the fuck should we let them travel to or emigrate here? It isn't demagoguery to forbid citizens of other countries from coming here. They aren't citizens of the US and have no right to be here if we say they don't.dhdawg said:
europe's vetting process is tissue paper. ours is strict as fuck. along with the fact that we are and have always been far superior at assimilation.oregonblitzkrieg said:The towel head 'religion' is incompatible with western societies. Some of you fucktards don't even know that it isn't a religion at all, but a political system. While you faggots are crying crocodile tears over the poor little drowned Syrian boy (who was probably drowned by the Muslims as a propaganda tool), the seeds of sharia law have already begun to sprout in Europe. The raghead mayor of London banned ads of women in bikinis, panties and bras on the Tube. "Body shaming" he calls it. That is how it starts. The Europeans are pussies. They take that shit and do nothing about it.
those who use europe to support their demagoguery don't acknowledge either of these two things
