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Poll - Why is the Middle East such a pain in the arse?

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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,610 Standard Supporter
    The Theology of Islam- i.e, text of the Quran and Hadith, Kill the Infadels, etc, etc
    Wanting to kill everyone usually leads to people not liking you.
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  • tenndawg
    tenndawg Member Posts: 1,161
    BearsWiin said:

    Postcolonial legacy of stunted civil society and borders in the wrong places, coupled with lousy strongman govts. over the last several decades that we were OK with as long as they were anticommunist.

    Africa has been a fucking mess, and only a part of it has Muslim influence. Central and South America have been a mess and only recently might be getting their shit together, and they're predominantly Catholic. It's not the theology. It's the institutions.

    A lot of that is coherent and quite insightful
    BearsWiin said:

    salemcoog said:

    BearsWiin said:

    YellowSnow said:

    BearsWiin said:

    Postcolonial legacy of stunted civil society and borders in the wrong places, coupled with lousy strongman govts. over the last several decades that we were OK with as long as they were anticommunist.

    Africa has been a fucking mess, and only a part of it has Muslim influence. Central and South America have been a mess and only recently might be getting their shit together, and they're predominantly Catholic. It's not the theology. It's the institutions.

    Those are all critical factors and you are correct in pointing out the messes in Central American and sub Saharan Africa and yet none of those regions have exported terror and/or the threat thereof on a similar scale to the West.
    But that export is a recent phenomenon. Radical Islamic fundamentalism has been around for centuries as a fringe element, but it's only taken hold since the 1970's when the common guy on the street saw his govt. getting rich off oil exports and funneling it into massive infrastructure and education investments (like in Iran and Saudi Arabia) but not into political reform. Political frustration needs an outlet, and radical Islamic fundamentalism became the means of expression for many who couldn't do it through political means. In Afghanistan, it was a matter of foreign (Soviet) occupation helping to radicalize the locals, and Al Qaeda's lashing out at us was in large part a reaction to US occupation post-Iraq. Theology is a tool of expression, but it's not the cause; political frustration is.
    Saudi hasn't done shit for their infrastructure as a whole. Iran and Afghani built radical Islam. Iraq allowed them to offer a huge IPO.
    Get back to me after you've read up on Wahhabism.
    Thanks for mentioning Wahhabism, as a master of Google Fu I was quickly brought up to speed...

    Knew Saudi Arabia was totally fucked up, and now I know the theological/ historical origins

    Let's just say tolerance for differing views isn't their strong point

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  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    The Theology of Islam- i.e, text of the Quran and Hadith, Kill the Infadels, etc, etc
    Saudi Arabia is the center of the Islamic pimple. Pop that shit and the rest of it is just a matter of cleaning up the mess.

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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Cold War Policy- e.g., 1953 Coup in Iran, Afghanistan (mujahideen), etc
    Shoving Israel up their asses and backing dictators in the region seems like a good starting point.
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  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited January 2017
    The Theology of Islam- i.e, text of the Quran and Hadith, Kill the Infadels, etc, etc
    ThomasFremont said:

    Shoving Israel up their asses and backing dictators in the region seems like a good starting point.

    Blaming America makes sense. It existed back in the prehistoric age when Abraham two holed Hagar and she shit out Ishmael, the bastard father of the Arabs, and they started behaving like 'the wild jackasses of men' they were known as back then and still are today. And we probably did something to piss them off back in the 600's when Muhammed wrote his book of fatwas, in between fucking his 9 year old wives.
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Cold War Policy- e.g., 1953 Coup in Iran, Afghanistan (mujahideen), etc
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Shoving Israel up their asses and backing dictators in the region seems like a good starting point.

    Blaming America makes sense. It existed back in the prehistoric age when Abraham two holed Hagar and she shit out Ishmael, the bastard father of the Arabs, and they started behaving like 'the wild jackasses of men' they were known as back then and still are today. And we probably did something to piss them off back in the 600's when Muhammed wrote his book of fatwas, in between fucking his 9 year old wives.
    I am not blaming America. The Soviets did the same thing. So did colonial Europeans before that.

    But America isn't innocent in all of this either.

    But thanks for the cool prehistoric history lesson, faggot.
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  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    The Theology of Islam- i.e, text of the Quran and Hadith, Kill the Infadels, etc, etc
    ThomasFremont said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Shoving Israel up their asses and backing dictators in the region seems like a good starting point.

    Blaming America makes sense. It existed back in the prehistoric age when Abraham two holed Hagar and she shit out Ishmael, the bastard father of the Arabs, and they started behaving like 'the wild jackasses of men' they were known as back then and still are today. And we probably did something to piss them off back in the 600's when Muhammed wrote his book of fatwas, in between fucking his 9 year old wives.
    I am not blaming America. The Soviets did the same thing. So did colonial Europeans before that.

    But America isn't innocent in all of this either.

    But thanks for the cool prehistoric history lesson, faggot.
    You're welcome, camel fucker.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Too many Dinosaurs died in the Middle East
    Sledog said:

    Wanting to kill everyone usually leads to people not liking you.

    Everyone wants to kill you
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Cold War Policy- e.g., 1953 Coup in Iran, Afghanistan (mujahideen), etc
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    Shoving Israel up their asses and backing dictators in the region seems like a good starting point.

    Blaming America makes sense. It existed back in the prehistoric age when Abraham two holed Hagar and she shit out Ishmael, the bastard father of the Arabs, and they started behaving like 'the wild jackasses of men' they were known as back then and still are today. And we probably did something to piss them off back in the 600's when Muhammed wrote his book of fatwas, in between fucking his 9 year old wives.
    I am not blaming America. The Soviets did the same thing. So did colonial Europeans before that.

    But America isn't innocent in all of this either.

    But thanks for the cool prehistoric history lesson, faggot.
    You're welcome, camel fucker.
    Don't talk about your mom like that.

    Only I get to call her that.
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