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Poll - Why is the Middle East such a pain in the arse?

YellowSnow
YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,317 Founders Club
edited January 2017 in Tug Tavern
Pick your #1 historical root cause to explain why this is the case

Poll - Why is the Middle East such a pain in the arse? 23 votes

Sykes - Picot Agreement - What the hell were the British and French thinking?
8%
DeepSeaZDoog_de_Jour 2 votes
The Theology of Islam- i.e, text of the Quran and Hadith, Kill the Infadels, etc, etc
30%
BlackieExtraChrisBoregonblitzkriegDooglesSledogG_OYellowSnow 7 votes
Too many Dinosaurs died in the Middle East
8%
TierbsHsotBoobswhatshouldicareabout 2 votes
Cold War Policy- e.g., 1953 Coup in Iran, Afghanistan (mujahideen), etc
8%
ThomasFremontEdwin_Bambino 2 votes
Folly of trying to promote Democracy amongst tribes not ready for it
4%
The_Undertaker 1 vote
Muhammed just to had to ride his horse, Buraq, to Jerusalem of all places
4%
FireCohen 1 vote
Write In Option
34%
SwayeAlCzervikBennyBeavergreenblooddrogginsPurpleThrobberAlexisPitchfork51 8 votes
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  • Alexis
    Alexis Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,393 Founders Club
    Write In Option
    Because We? won't just let Israel blow the whole shithole into glass particles.
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072
    "Leave me THE FUCK outta this. Pico who?"

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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,317 Founders Club
    The Theology of Islam- i.e, text of the Quran and Hadith, Kill the Infadels, etc, etc
    Definitely abundance on this one and hard to narrow it down to 1 choice but the Theology is the one that kind of ties it all together into a perfect and unsolvable cluster fuck.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Crusades and Ugandan Christians.
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    Write In Option
    PurpleJ said:

    Brown people

    Hey asshole, vote.
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    Write In Option
    Janet Reno.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,317 Founders Club
    The Theology of Islam- i.e, text of the Quran and Hadith, Kill the Infadels, etc, etc
    BearsWiin said:

    Postcolonial legacy of stunted civil society and borders in the wrong places, coupled with lousy strongman govts. over the last several decades that we were OK with as long as they were anticommunist.

    Africa has been a fucking mess, and only a part of it has Muslim influence. Central and South America have been a mess and only recently might be getting their shit together, and they're predominantly Catholic. It's not the theology. It's the institutions.

    Those are all critical factors and you are correct in pointing out the messes in Central American and sub Saharan Africa and yet none of those regions have exported terror and/or the threat thereof on a similar scale to the West.
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    Write In Option
    Swaye said:

    We wasted our nukes on the Japs.

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    I know your being sarkastic but theirs a lot of Africa left they're.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club

    PurpleJ said:

    Brown people

    Hey asshole, vote.
    I voted for Trump.
  • phineas
    phineas Member Posts: 4,732
  • phineas
    phineas Member Posts: 4,732

    Swaye said:

    We wasted our nukes on the Japs.

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    I know your being sarkastic but theirs a lot of Africa left they're.
    Why would you nuke Africa when I'm sure you could barter with the various governments to trade you a couple million slaves in exchange for like, bread, water and a handshake agreement that they will never be overthrown, long as the slaves keep rolling?
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Brown people

    Hey asshole, vote.
    I voted for Trump.
    You forget that you voted for spotted owl already?
  • phineas
    phineas Member Posts: 4,732
    Alexis said:

    Because We? won't just let Israel blow the whole shithole into glass particles.

    Why do we even back israel? Just to keep the area destabilized? I'm sure it's no surprise that I don't know shit about politics, I just know I fucking hate religion. So they all need to die.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,114 Standard Supporter
    Write In Option
    phineas said:

    Alexis said:

    Because We? won't just let Israel blow the whole shithole into glass particles.

    Why do we even back israel? Just to keep the area destabilized? I'm sure it's no surprise that I don't know shit about politics, I just know I fucking hate religion. So they all need to die.
    You're new here.

    Rule 1: Don't fuck with the Jews.

  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,114 Standard Supporter
    Write In Option

    phineas said:

    Alexis said:

    Because We? won't just let Israel blow the whole shithole into glass particles.

    Why do we even back israel? Just to keep the area destabilized? I'm sure it's no surprise that I don't know shit about politics, I just know I fucking hate religion. So they all need to die.
    You're new here.

    Rule 1: Don't fuck with the Jews.

    Rule 2: Jew tits are fucking spectacular.

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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    Nose to big on the heeb chick.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    edited January 2017
    PurpleJ said:

    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Brown people

    Hey asshole, vote.
    I voted for Trump.
    You forget that you voted for spotted owl already?
    You forget that you're a dumb faggot that gets whooshed a lot?
    OK!

    photo marijuana_strain_purple_urkle_zpsbxlhwjqz.jpg

    Meds need dialed in.
  • DeepSeaZ
    DeepSeaZ Member Posts: 3,901
    Sykes - Picot Agreement - What the hell were the British and French thinking?
    I don't know what this is but it sounds good
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072
    edited January 2017

    BearsWiin said:

    Postcolonial legacy of stunted civil society and borders in the wrong places, coupled with lousy strongman govts. over the last several decades that we were OK with as long as they were anticommunist.

    Africa has been a fucking mess, and only a part of it has Muslim influence. Central and South America have been a mess and only recently might be getting their shit together, and they're predominantly Catholic. It's not the theology. It's the institutions.

    Those are all critical factors and you are correct in pointing out the messes in Central American and sub Saharan Africa and yet none of those regions have exported terror and/or the threat thereof on a similar scale to the West.
    But that export is a recent phenomenon. Radical Islamic fundamentalism has been around for centuries as a fringe element, but it's only taken hold since the 1970's when the common guy on the street saw his govt. getting rich off oil exports and funneling it into massive infrastructure and education investments (like in Iran and Saudi Arabia) but not into political reform. Political frustration needs an outlet, and radical Islamic fundamentalism became the means of expression for many who couldn't do it through political means. In Afghanistan, it was a matter of foreign (Soviet) occupation helping to radicalize the locals, and Al Qaeda's lashing out at us was in large part a reaction to US occupation post-Iraq. Theology is a tool of expression, but it's not the cause; political frustration is.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,560
    Write In Option

    Janet Reno.

    The fact that it took nearly a hour for this answer...smh
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,091 Founders Club
    The Bear is pretty dialed in on this. Islam was pretty dormant after we? knocked them out of Europe shortly before sailing over here to spread the disease of Europeans. I should know, i was there.

    WW1 and 2 stated stirring up the natives and they have been very stirred since
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    BearsWiin said:

    BearsWiin said:

    Postcolonial legacy of stunted civil society and borders in the wrong places, coupled with lousy strongman govts. over the last several decades that we were OK with as long as they were anticommunist.

    Africa has been a fucking mess, and only a part of it has Muslim influence. Central and South America have been a mess and only recently might be getting their shit together, and they're predominantly Catholic. It's not the theology. It's the institutions.

    Those are all critical factors and you are correct in pointing out the messes in Central American and sub Saharan Africa and yet none of those regions have exported terror and/or the threat thereof on a similar scale to the West.
    But that export is a recent phenomenon. Radical Islamic fundamentalism has been around for centuries as a fringe element, but it's only taken hold since the 1970's when the common guy on the street saw his govt. getting rich off oil exports and funneling it into massive infrastructure and education investments (like in Iran and Saudi Arabia) but not into political reform. Political frustration needs an outlet, and radical Islamic fundamentalism became the means of expression for many who couldn't do it through political means. In Afghanistan, it was a matter of foreign (Soviet) occupation helping to radicalize the locals, and Al Qaeda's lashing out at us was in large part a reaction to US occupation post-Iraq. Theology is a tool of expression, but it's not the cause; political frustration is.
    Saudi hasn't done shit for their infrastructure as a whole. Iran and Afghani built radical Islam. Iraq allowed them to offer a huge IPO.