Poll - Why is the Middle East such a pain in the arse?
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Nose to big on the heeb chick.
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Sykes - Picot Agreement - What the hell were the British and French thinking?I don't know what this is but it sounds good
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But that export is a recent phenomenon. Radical Islamic fundamentalism has been around for centuries as a fringe element, but it's only taken hold since the 1970's when the common guy on the street saw his govt. getting rich off oil exports and funneling it into massive infrastructure and education investments (like in Iran and Saudi Arabia) but not into political reform. Political frustration needs an outlet, and radical Islamic fundamentalism became the means of expression for many who couldn't do it through political means. In Afghanistan, it was a matter of foreign (Soviet) occupation helping to radicalize the locals, and Al Qaeda's lashing out at us was in large part a reaction to US occupation post-Iraq. Theology is a tool of expression, but it's not the cause; political frustration is.YellowSnow said:
Those are all critical factors and you are correct in pointing out the messes in Central American and sub Saharan Africa and yet none of those regions have exported terror and/or the threat thereof on a similar scale to the West.BearsWiin said:Postcolonial legacy of stunted civil society and borders in the wrong places, coupled with lousy strongman govts. over the last several decades that we were OK with as long as they were anticommunist.
Africa has been a fucking mess, and only a part of it has Muslim influence. Central and South America have been a mess and only recently might be getting their shit together, and they're predominantly Catholic. It's not the theology. It's the institutions. -
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The fact that it took nearly a hour for this answer...smhBennyBeaver said:Janet Reno.
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The Bear is pretty dialed in on this. Islam was pretty dormant after we? knocked them out of Europe shortly before sailing over here to spread the disease of Europeans. I should know, i was there.
WW1 and 2 stated stirring up the natives and they have been very stirred since -
Saudi hasn't done shit for their infrastructure as a whole. Iran and Afghani built radical Islam. Iraq allowed them to offer a huge IPO.BearsWiin said:
But that export is a recent phenomenon. Radical Islamic fundamentalism has been around for centuries as a fringe element, but it's only taken hold since the 1970's when the common guy on the street saw his govt. getting rich off oil exports and funneling it into massive infrastructure and education investments (like in Iran and Saudi Arabia) but not into political reform. Political frustration needs an outlet, and radical Islamic fundamentalism became the means of expression for many who couldn't do it through political means. In Afghanistan, it was a matter of foreign (Soviet) occupation helping to radicalize the locals, and Al Qaeda's lashing out at us was in large part a reaction to US occupation post-Iraq. Theology is a tool of expression, but it's not the cause; political frustration is.YellowSnow said:
Those are all critical factors and you are correct in pointing out the messes in Central American and sub Saharan Africa and yet none of those regions have exported terror and/or the threat thereof on a similar scale to the West.BearsWiin said:Postcolonial legacy of stunted civil society and borders in the wrong places, coupled with lousy strongman govts. over the last several decades that we were OK with as long as they were anticommunist.
Africa has been a fucking mess, and only a part of it has Muslim influence. Central and South America have been a mess and only recently might be getting their shit together, and they're predominantly Catholic. It's not the theology. It's the institutions. -
Get back to me after you've read up on Wahhabism.salemcoog said:
Saudi hasn't done shit for their infrastructure as a whole. Iran and Afghani built radical Islam. Iraq allowed them to offer a huge IPO.BearsWiin said:
But that export is a recent phenomenon. Radical Islamic fundamentalism has been around for centuries as a fringe element, but it's only taken hold since the 1970's when the common guy on the street saw his govt. getting rich off oil exports and funneling it into massive infrastructure and education investments (like in Iran and Saudi Arabia) but not into political reform. Political frustration needs an outlet, and radical Islamic fundamentalism became the means of expression for many who couldn't do it through political means. In Afghanistan, it was a matter of foreign (Soviet) occupation helping to radicalize the locals, and Al Qaeda's lashing out at us was in large part a reaction to US occupation post-Iraq. Theology is a tool of expression, but it's not the cause; political frustration is.YellowSnow said:
Those are all critical factors and you are correct in pointing out the messes in Central American and sub Saharan Africa and yet none of those regions have exported terror and/or the threat thereof on a similar scale to the West.BearsWiin said:Postcolonial legacy of stunted civil society and borders in the wrong places, coupled with lousy strongman govts. over the last several decades that we were OK with as long as they were anticommunist.
Africa has been a fucking mess, and only a part of it has Muslim influence. Central and South America have been a mess and only recently might be getting their shit together, and they're predominantly Catholic. It's not the theology. It's the institutions. -
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Isn't that a hot sauce?BearsWiin said:
Get back to me after you've read up on Wahhabism.salemcoog said:
Saudi hasn't done shit for their infrastructure as a whole. Iran and Afghani built radical Islam. Iraq allowed them to offer a huge IPO.BearsWiin said:
But that export is a recent phenomenon. Radical Islamic fundamentalism has been around for centuries as a fringe element, but it's only taken hold since the 1970's when the common guy on the street saw his govt. getting rich off oil exports and funneling it into massive infrastructure and education investments (like in Iran and Saudi Arabia) but not into political reform. Political frustration needs an outlet, and radical Islamic fundamentalism became the means of expression for many who couldn't do it through political means. In Afghanistan, it was a matter of foreign (Soviet) occupation helping to radicalize the locals, and Al Qaeda's lashing out at us was in large part a reaction to US occupation post-Iraq. Theology is a tool of expression, but it's not the cause; political frustration is.YellowSnow said:
Those are all critical factors and you are correct in pointing out the messes in Central American and sub Saharan Africa and yet none of those regions have exported terror and/or the threat thereof on a similar scale to the West.BearsWiin said:Postcolonial legacy of stunted civil society and borders in the wrong places, coupled with lousy strongman govts. over the last several decades that we were OK with as long as they were anticommunist.
Africa has been a fucking mess, and only a part of it has Muslim influence. Central and South America have been a mess and only recently might be getting their shit together, and they're predominantly Catholic. It's not the theology. It's the institutions.
