Early Pete > Early Dabo
- 10 & 4 overall; 6- 2 in ACC
- 2nd place in ACC
- plungered in Orange Bowl 33- 70 by WVU
- #22 final ranking
Pete Year 3
-12 & 2 overall; 8- 1 in PAC;
- win conference title
- lose CFP semi-final by 17 pts to (soon to be) #2 Alabama
- #4 Final AP rank
2016 Washington > 2011 Climpson
Dabo is obviously an elite coach and has a Natty (after only 8 seasons for trying for crying out loud) in the trophy case, but Pete's early returns are objectively better. And I would argue Pete stepped into a harder "return a program to dominance" job than Dabo.
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Transitive property and all.
But still...
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Pressing.
There are better comps for Pete than Dabo. -
What's the standard for an elite coach?
If it's a national championship, that's a slippery slope ... are we prepared to call coaches like Larry Coker or Gene Chizik elite because they won national championships? -
Fuck those weak "Doog It Up" bitchesGrundleStiltzkin said:Transitive property and all.
But still...
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@Tequilla well, of course, you can't just use a Natty as the only qualifier. Coker basically inherited on of the great college teams of all time. Chizik had Cam. Other key requirements would be:
1) Sustained Level of Success - e.g., Dabo's had 6 x 10 + win seasons in a row now and 5 straight bowl wins. 2 back to back title game appearances.
2) Raising a program of above its normal historical level of success - Dabo has done this at Clemson. Chip never won a NT but he took Oregon to a level they'd never dreamed of, and, I, for one don't seem them being able to return to.
3) Winning big time games against other "Elite" coaches and programs - Dabo took down Meyer and Saban in back to back games this year. Beat Stoops last year and almost knocked off Saban last year.
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I'd say, in this day and age, building a program to the point where it is in the national title discussion most years and maintaining that status throughout their tenure makes a coach elite. I don't even know if winning a national title is a necessity. I would say Chip Kelly was an elite college coach.Tequilla said:What's the standard for an elite coach?
If it's a national championship, that's a slippery slope ... are we prepared to call coaches like Larry Coker or Gene Chizik elite because they won national championships? -
Thanks for the thoughtful responses ...
I think it's important to define what success looks like ...
Dabo's results speak for themselves ... for some reason I don't view him as elite (probably because he's got too much cheerleader in him) ... but again, hard to argue.
I do think Dabo benefits a lot from being in an area where there are a number of high end recruits ...
I do think Dabo benefits from South Carolina definitely being down, the SEC East generally being viewed as shit, the North Carolina schools not being in a spot where they lock down key recruits in the state, Virginia Tech in the last few years of Beamer struggling a bit creating some recruiting voids, Miami largely being down over the last 5-10 years opening up some areas of Florida, and Georgia Tech running an option program that targets a specific kind of player opening the door potentially to a handful of recruits out of Georgia that maybe they wouldn't have gotten 20 years ago. I definitely haven't studied it in full to determine how much of that is real or perception.
But in a lot of ways, Clemson has a lot of similar attributes to Washington from a football playing perspective. Usually when our high end has been achieved it has been due to having the right caliber coach in place with some kind of void being present in the PAC (right now the void is looking like UCLA). I think Clemson's in a similar position right now where they have the right coach for them and some significant voids around them allowing them to build themselves up.
One thing I think is also important to keep in mind is that the ACC as a whole is getting more and more competitive ... sneaky opinion alert is that I would say that the ACC may have been the best conference this year top to bottom. This will test Dabo going forward. -
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The Clemson story is obviously intriguing because they are the one non-traditional powerhouse program to win a NT in decades (BTW, I'm not sure how to classify Auburn - i.e., powerhouse or one-off with Cam Newton?) and they've done it without the top 10 recruiting classes you see year in, year from the big boys. Clemson's last 4 classes (according the bankrupt website) have been 16, 15, 28, and 12. And now we're starting to play in that top 15- 20 range recruiting-wise as well, combined with (mostly) great coaching, player development, etc. Petersen's system should get us to the point where we can be a legit national title contender.
