RESULTS: 3rd Annual Jesse Callier Post-Collegiate Impact Ranking
Brandon Beaver: 1.75 Rating; -1.25 differential from Scout. Nothing really to see here, just like his career. No one was too out of line, all votes were 1-3.
Shane Brostek: 1.92 Rating; -1.08 diff. So far all of you fuckers are doing good, all votes were 1-3. Bye, Shane.
Jake Eldrenkamp: 3.92 Rating; +.92 diff. Probably about right. Jake even got some 5 star ratings from: @Swaye, @Mad_Son, @CFetters_Nacho_Lover, @GrundleStiltzkin, and @JECAR. Can't really argue against that. We'll miss you Jake.
Psalm Wooching: 2.58 Rating; -.42 diff. Amazingly enough, this shows how disciplined we are in this exercise. We showed very good restraint in not punishing him for being who he is. That said, mad respect to the following for giving him a 1: @TTJ, @TierbsHsotBoobs, and @Swaye. Tierbs also wanted to make it clear that he would have given him a -81 if he could have.
Damion Turpin: 2.38 Rating; -.62 diff. Props to Damion. Never would have thought he would be this highly rated, props to our coaches too. @Alexis, @tvoie, and @Muttzen gave him 1's, but I won't call for their murder over that.
Jeff Lindquist: 1.6 Rating; -2.4 diff. Fun times, fun times. I'll let @TierbsHsotBoobs explain why he gave Lindquist a 5... Because I don't know why.
Kevin King: 4.48; +1.48 diff. Almost a fucking perfect rating imo. I think he's a 4.5, the fucker that ruined the 4.5 rating is @guntlove, he gave KEVIN KING a 3!!!!
Cameron Van Winkle: 3 Rating; 0 diff. This is so perfect, kickers deserve a 3 and a 0 differential. Classic. Well done, everyone.
Joe Mathis: 3.45 Rating; -.55 diff. Joe had votes ranging from 2-5. The 5's were @HHBruh and @Doogles; the 2's were @FremontTroll, @TierbsHsotBoobs, and @Alexis. I'd lean to giving him a 2 before I'd give him a 5. Curious what everyone else thinks.
John Ross: 4.72 Rating; +.72 diff. All his votes were 5's or 4's, he's worth 4 wins, so that makes sense.
Elijah Qualls: 4.42 Rating; +.42 diff. Like Ross, all his votes were 4's and 5's.
Darrell Daniels: 3 Rating; -1.0 diff. Standard three player. I AGREE.
Dane Crane: 1.03 Rating; -1.97 diff. DAMNIT, DANE! Everyone gave him a 1, except for 2 people that gave him a 2 for some reason. Maybe they enjoyed his personality or something since he NEVER FUCKING PLAYED... @PurpleReign, and @Doogles.
Darren Gardenhire: 2.22 Rating; -.78 diff. Enjoy Montana you idiot. Shoutout to @DeepSeaZ and @Mad_Son for being Darren's Dad's, as they both gave him a 4.
Sidney MOTHER FUCKING Jones: 4.95 Rating; +1.95 diff. Almost a unanimous 5, maybe @HelfrichFamilyVan, @Houhusky, and @steelheader2 wanted him to play QB and return kicks and punts too, to earn that 5. You dumb-asses.
Isaiah Renfro: 1.18 Rating; -2.82 diff. Thanks, just thanks. Props to @TurdBuffer for giving him a fucking 4 for some reason.
Budda "Buttah" Baker: 5 Rating; +1.0 diff. Our first Unanimous 5. You are a beautiful bastard. Good job, everyone.
So with this group of players done, we now have 4 classes completed using this survey: 2009-2012. Here is the breakdown on those classes:
2009--- JC Rating: 1.32; Diff. -1.26... Jesus Christ, Sark. You shit bag. BUT HE'S A GREAT RECRUITER!
2010--- JC Rating: 1.82; Diff. -1.31... Just, yeah. Good players, and some very bad.
2011--- JC Rating: 2.01; Diff. -1.12... Pretty solid, lots of shit still though.
2012--- JC Rating: 1.53; Diff. -1.37... Easily the worst class for Sark. So much pure shit, it's incredible. And this was his 4th class!
One thing that is becoming abundantly clear in doing this, and basically having all of Sark's players through at this point (2013 class is more Pete's now since he's been with them longer than Sark), is that Pete just doesn't have as much shit in his classes like Sark does. Even Sark's 2013 class has had a good amount of attrition, but Pete is getting a lot out of the lower end guys. And going forward, Pete's classes are looking fucking impressive, his 2014 class (transition class) already has a 5, and a near 5.
But yeah, those three stars for Sark did absolutely nothing for the most part over his classes. Where Pete three stars are fucking up people.
Anyways, if you have any questions just let me know and I can pass along more details.
Comments
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In what universe is Sidney not a fucking 5?
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Petersen has, thus far, been able to bring Sark's players up to their star rating, and bring his own players beyond their star rating.
It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few years, as the Drew Samples, Ricky McCoys, and Andrew Baccelias have become Hunter Bryants, Marlon Tuialatpus and Ty Jones's -
I got a shoutout!
I like to ejaculate to Mathis' potential as much as anyone but he was a 1 up until this year.
His three conference games before breaking his feet (allegedly) get him to a 2.
If he had played at the level he did against Stanford for a whole season he might have gotten to a 4. -
If he payed at that level. He might have been an all american candidate. He was a monster at the stanford and the oregon game.FremontTroll said:I got a shoutout!
I like to ejaculate to Mathis' potential as much as anyone but he was a 1 up until this year.
His three conference games before breaking his feet (allegedly) get him to a 2.
If he had played at the level he did against Stanford for a whole season he might have gotten to a 4. -
I think I got my first shoutout ever...and Turpin sucked balls people! Barely remembered he was even on the team.
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Yeah, if he played all year he was a 5. As far as I am concerned this isn't about your entire career but your maximum contribution (over some nebulous amount of time). Just because you're on the bench for a long time doesn't mean you don't later become an essential part of the team.WeakarmCobra said:
If he payed at that level. He might have been an all american candidate. He was a monster at the stanford and the oregon game.FremontTroll said:I got a shoutout!
I like to ejaculate to Mathis' potential as much as anyone but he was a 1 up until this year.
His three conference games before breaking his feet (allegedly) get him to a 2.
If he had played at the level he did against Stanford for a whole season he might have gotten to a 4.
Gardenhire getting passed is a testament to how good others are, not a lack of contribution from him. Gardenhire was good last year hence the 4. -
I'm impressed by how many people took this seriously and didn't just try to fuck with the results.
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It has to be the player's total contribution. Which IMO takes into account both peak and duration. Something like WAR for baseball nerds out there.Mad_Son said:
Yeah, if he played all year he was a 5. As far as I am concerned this isn't about your entire career but your maximum contribution (over some nebulous amount of time). Just because you're on the bench for a long time doesn't mean you don't later become an essential part of the team.WeakarmCobra said:
If he payed at that level. He might have been an all american candidate. He was a monster at the stanford and the oregon game.FremontTroll said:I got a shoutout!
I like to ejaculate to Mathis' potential as much as anyone but he was a 1 up until this year.
His three conference games before breaking his feet (allegedly) get him to a 2.
If he had played at the level he did against Stanford for a whole season he might have gotten to a 4.
Gardenhire getting passed is a testament to how good others are, not a lack of contribution from him. Gardenhire was good last year hence the 4.
I don't give a 5 out unless someone was at a First/Second All-Conference level for at least two seasons.
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We respect the Process.NEsnake12 said:I'm impressed by how many people took this seriously and didn't just try to fuck with the results.
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Yeah, it's actually greatly appreciated. When we first did this I thought for sure people would just fuck with it.NEsnake12 said:I'm impressed by how many people took this seriously and didn't just try to fuck with the results.
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Also fuck all you bitches that don't think Kevin King is a fucking 5. He was my favorite player on the team. It is a fucking travesty that he was not all conference. Dude covered, played the fucking run and made plays on special teams.
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Very true. I really believed Eldrenkamp was a 5, and Psalm was a 1. In my core.NEsnake12 said:I'm impressed by how many people took this seriously and didn't just try to fuck with the results.
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Not that Baccelia looks terrible, but does anyone see him ever doing anything of note?bananasnblondes said:Petersen has, thus far, been able to bring Sark's players up to their star rating, and bring his own players beyond their star rating.
It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few years, as the Drew Samples, Ricky McCoys, and Andrew Baccelias have become Hunter Bryants, Marlon Tuialatpus and Ty Jones's
I can't see him catching more than 15 balls. He's the only player on UW I saw play in high school and I didn't even realize he was on the team until weeks later when I looked at UW's recruiting class. I think he caught one ball for 6 yards in the game I went to. -
First I'd like to thank those that did this. I don't agree with everything but I also don't pay as much attention as a lot of you.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
One thing that is becoming abundantly clear in doing this, and basically having all of Sark's players through at this point (2013 class is more Pete's now since he's been with them longer than Sark), is that Pete just doesn't have as much shit in his classes like Sark does. Even Sark's 2013 class has had a good amount of attrition, but Pete is getting a lot out of the lower end guys. And going forward, Pete's classes are looking fucking impressive, his 2014 class (transition class) already has a 5, and a near 5.
That being said. Right there is exactly what I've been saying and fucktards like Cowherd don't see. Sark made a lot of noise in recruiting and even generated buzz. But I totally think he recruited from Scout's website and did not care about players mental makeup. To make it worse, he supported their shitty attitudes and let it perpetuate. Not to mention he'd put off the recruits that have their heads on straight cause his salesman bullshit.
Pete brings in the right attitude and let's recruits know right away he's serious about it before they commit.
This survey confirms what most of us already knew. Not only could Sark not develop players, but many just didn't produce and stick around. This leads to larger recruiting classes which leads to higher rankings on paper. Which of course leads to the off season natty.
Where Pete keeps the players and they even contribute in subtle ways (see Lindquist, Jeff). He isn't 100%, but the fact we only have 14-16 slots open even with several under classman leaving early shows how well he's kept the talent. Which means more seniors contributing, not burning redshirts, etc. -
10 years from now my syphilitic riddled mush of a mind will remember Ossai, Center and Buttah Baker... Not sydney jones.WeakarmCobra said:In what universe is Sidney not a fucking 5?
Jones was amazing, Im not saying he wasn't a pivotal part of this years team and a possible future pro bowl player, but to me, part of being a 5 star was would they be remembered by casual faggy fans 5-8 years from now for their impact...
I also did this while drunk, so, w/e -
I prefer the term "simpleton."CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Sidney MOTHER FUCKING Jones: 4.95 Rating; +1.95 diff. Almost a unanimous 5, maybe @HelfrichFamilyVan, @Houhusky, and @steelheader2 wanted him to play QB and return kicks and punts too, to earn that 5. You dumb-asses.
As an arbitrary starting point, I thought of my 4 as an all-conference player and my 5 as an all-american. I went back and forth a lot on both King and SMFJ, who are clearly elite players and were clearly essential to our defense (not to mention the culture of the program in general). In the end, the anchoring bias won.
Psalm got an automatic +1 from me for the unintentional comedy. If this isn't a worthy contribution to the program, I don't know what is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf31UepfyY4
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Mathis didn't contribute much cumulatively but did turn into a really good player. That's worth a couple of points. I can't remember if I gave him 3 or 4 but I can live with either.FremontTroll said:
It has to be the player's total contribution. Which IMO takes into account both peak and duration. Something like WAR for baseball nerds out there.Mad_Son said:
Yeah, if he played all year he was a 5. As far as I am concerned this isn't about your entire career but your maximum contribution (over some nebulous amount of time). Just because you're on the bench for a long time doesn't mean you don't later become an essential part of the team.WeakarmCobra said:
If he payed at that level. He might have been an all american candidate. He was a monster at the stanford and the oregon game.FremontTroll said:I got a shoutout!
I like to ejaculate to Mathis' potential as much as anyone but he was a 1 up until this year.
His three conference games before breaking his feet (allegedly) get him to a 2.
If he had played at the level he did against Stanford for a whole season he might have gotten to a 4.
Gardenhire getting passed is a testament to how good others are, not a lack of contribution from him. Gardenhire was good last year hence the 4.
I don't give a 5 out unless someone was at a First/Second All-Conference level for at least two seasons.
No shame in the 4 category. Not everyone can be Buddah or Sid MF Jones.
I know that goes against the way most others others rate them for this exercise. It does go against the title itself (career impact rating). Fuck off though. My way makes sense to me. -
Any fan that doesn't remember Sidney motherfuckin Jones 10 years from now deserves Owen 12 until the end of time.Houhusky said:
10 years from now my syphilitic riddled mush of a mind will remember Ossai, Center and Buttah Baker... Not sydney jones.WeakarmCobra said:In what universe is Sidney not a fucking 5?
Jones was amazing, Im not saying he wasn't a pivotal part of this years team and a possible future pro bowl player, but to me, part of being a 5 star was would they be remembered by casual faggy fans 5-8 years from now for their impact...
I also did this while drunk, so, w/e -
Mad Son and I worked really hard to provide a loving home for Darren. Every child should be lucky enough to have two dads. We love him very much. But it's probably our fault he smoked a lot of cheeba. He learned it from us. But you have to admit, that little fucker performed really well considering he was high as fuck for every game. He would knock dudes out without giving a single solitary fuck about anything. That's the cheeba advantage.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Hello Everyone, THE RESULTS ARE IN. Time for some ridicule and also some actual insight!
Brandon Beaver: 1.75 Rating; -1.25 differential from Scout. Nothing really to see here, just like his career. No one was too out of line, all votes were 1-3.
Shane Brostek: 1.92 Rating; -1.08 diff. So far all of you fuckers are doing good, all votes were 1-3. Bye, Shane.
Jake Eldrenkamp: 3.92 Rating; +.92 diff. Probably about right. Jake even got some 5 star ratings from: @Swaye, @Mad_Son, @CFetters_Nacho_Lover, @GrundleStiltzkin, and @JECAR. Can't really argue against that. We'll miss you Jake.
Psalm Wooching: 2.58 Rating; -.42 diff. Amazingly enough, this shows how disciplined we are in this exercise. We showed very good restraint in not punishing him for being who he is. That said, mad respect to the following for giving him a 1: @TTJ, @TierbsHsotBoobs, and @Swaye. Tierbs also wanted to make it clear that he would have given him a -81 if he could have.
Damion Turpin: 2.38 Rating; -.62 diff. Props to Damion. Never would have thought he would be this highly rated, props to our coaches too. @Alexis, @tvoie, and @Muttzen gave him 1's, but I won't call for their murder over that.
Jeff Lindquist: 1.6 Rating; -2.4 diff. Fun times, fun times. I'll let @TierbsHsotBoobs explain why he gave Lindquist a 5... Because I don't know why.
Kevin King: 4.48; +1.48 diff. Almost a fucking perfect rating imo. I think he's a 4.5, the fucker that ruined the 4.5 rating is @guntlove, he gave KEVIN KING a 3!!!!
Cameron Van Winkle: 3 Rating; 0 diff. This is so perfect, kickers deserve a 3 and a 0 differential. Classic. Well done, everyone.
Joe Mathis: 3.45 Rating; -.55 diff. Joe had votes ranging from 2-5. The 5's were @HHBruh and @Doogles; the 2's were @FremontTroll, @TierbsHsotBoobs, and @Alexis. I'd lean to giving him a 2 before I'd give him a 5. Curious what everyone else thinks.
John Ross: 4.72 Rating; +.72 diff. All his votes were 5's or 4's, he's worth 4 wins, so that makes sense.
Elijah Qualls: 4.42 Rating; +.42 diff. Like Ross, all his votes were 4's and 5's.
Darrell Daniels: 3 Rating; -1.0 diff. Standard three player. I AGREE.
Dane Crane: 1.03 Rating; -1.97 diff. DAMNIT, DANE! Everyone gave him a 1, except for 2 people that gave him a 2 for some reason. Maybe they enjoyed his personality or something since he NEVER FUCKING PLAYED... @PurpleReign, and @Doogles.
Darren Gardenhire: 2.22 Rating; -.78 diff. Enjoy Montana you idiot. Shoutout to @DeepSeaZ and @Mad_Son for being Darren's Dad's, as they both gave him a 4.
Sidney MOTHER FUCKING Jones: 4.95 Rating; +1.95 diff. Almost a unanimous 5, maybe @HelfrichFamilyVan, @Houhusky, and @steelheader2 wanted him to play QB and return kicks and punts too, to earn that 5. You dumb-asses.
Isaiah Renfro: 1.18 Rating; -2.82 diff. Thanks, just thanks. Props to @TurdBuffer for giving him a fucking 4 for some reason.
Budda "Buttah" Baker: 5 Rating; +1.0 diff. Our first Unanimous 5. You are a beautiful bastard. Good job, everyone.
So with this group of players done, we now have 4 classes completed using this survey: 2009-2012. Here is the breakdown on those classes:
2009--- JC Rating: 1.32; Diff. -1.26... Jesus Christ, Sark. You shit bag. BUT HE'S A GREAT RECRUITER!
2010--- JC Rating: 1.82; Diff. -1.31... Just, yeah. Good players, and some very bad.
2011--- JC Rating: 2.01; Diff. -1.12... Pretty solid, lots of shit still though.
2012--- JC Rating: 1.53; Diff. -1.37... Easily the worst class for Sark. So much pure shit, it's incredible. And this was his 4th class!
One thing that is becoming abundantly clear in doing this, and basically having all of Sark's players through at this point (2013 class is more Pete's now since he's been with them longer than Sark), is that Pete just doesn't have as much shit in his classes like Sark does. Even Sark's 2013 class has had a good amount of attrition, but Pete is getting a lot out of the lower end guys. And going forward, Pete's classes are looking fucking impressive, his 2014 class (transition class) already has a 5, and a near 5.
But yeah, those three stars for Sark did absolutely nothing for the most part over his classes. Where Pete three stars are fucking up people.
Anyways, if you have any questions just let me know and I can pass along more details. -
Bye week 1, Mathis 0WeakarmCobra said:
If he payed at that level. He might have been an all american candidate. He was a monster at the stanford and the oregon game.FremontTroll said:I got a shoutout!
I like to ejaculate to Mathis' potential as much as anyone but he was a 1 up until this year.
His three conference games before breaking his feet (allegedly) get him to a 2.
If he had played at the level he did against Stanford for a whole season he might have gotten to a 4. -
My point stands since that is our entire fucking fan baseEsophagealFeces said:
Any fan that doesn't remember Sidney motherfuckin Jones 10 years from now deserves Owen 12 until the end of time.Houhusky said:
10 years from now my syphilitic riddled mush of a mind will remember Ossai, Center and Buttah Baker... Not sydney jones.WeakarmCobra said:In what universe is Sidney not a fucking 5?
Jones was amazing, Im not saying he wasn't a pivotal part of this years team and a possible future pro bowl player, but to me, part of being a 5 star was would they be remembered by casual faggy fans 5-8 years from now for their impact...
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I want to give some slack to psalms. How drunk was sark when he decided the 6'2" 210lb guy would be good for the dline?
I know he decided full backs were gay the moment he saw wooching. Shoulda had him play running back cause atleast when he ran into the ol ass he would have pushed them forward for a short gain.
Fuuuuucck.
Jaff lunderquest as well.
Shit I want to see those two play running back would have been less shitty then lavon and Dwayne.
Watch both psalm and lumberquest be like that other fucker merkle reece who is an allpro full back now. -
It was actually very easy for the casual fan to overlook SMFJ's contributions, because nobody would even attempt to throw at him.
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Didnt you in years past post everyone's individual votes in a spreadsheet ?
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Sorry about giving Crane a 2, must of confused him with someone who played.
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Yeah we'll get that donekh83 said:Didnt you in years past post everyone's individual votes in a spreadsheet ?
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I can't argue with the logic ...FremontTroll said:I got a shoutout!
I like to ejaculate to Mathis' potential as much as anyone but he was a 1 up until this year.
His three conference games before breaking his feet (allegedly) get him to a 2.
If he had played at the level he did against Stanford for a whole season he might have gotten to a 4.
Prior to this year he was the definition of inconsistent ... he'd show glimpses and then disappear for a bit.
A player that definitely shows the importance of redshirting players ...
He was the toughest player for me to evaluate because his peaks were at a 4 to 5 level ... but his inability to sustain that performance for various reasons to me puts him more in the 3 range of being an average PAC starter. -
This just shows how different players can be viewed very differently based on each individual's individual contribution level.Mad_Son said:
Yeah, if he played all year he was a 5. As far as I am concerned this isn't about your entire career but your maximum contribution (over some nebulous amount of time). Just because you're on the bench for a long time doesn't mean you don't later become an essential part of the team.WeakarmCobra said:
If he payed at that level. He might have been an all american candidate. He was a monster at the stanford and the oregon game.FremontTroll said:I got a shoutout!
I like to ejaculate to Mathis' potential as much as anyone but he was a 1 up until this year.
His three conference games before breaking his feet (allegedly) get him to a 2.
If he had played at the level he did against Stanford for a whole season he might have gotten to a 4.
Gardenhire getting passed is a testament to how good others are, not a lack of contribution from him. Gardenhire was good last year hence the 4.
I do generally agree that as the overall talent on a team gets better it will be harder to evaluate players that are more role players and contribute as backups and on special teams.
I agree with you that Gardenhire got passed in 2016 and contributed in 2015 ... but one of my considerations that I look at is whether the player progressed or not. I don't give credit to a player for simply starting because that's basically a participation award. But I do expect players to grow from year to year and really look at players from the standpoint of All-American caliber, conference caliber, average starter, depth player, non-contributor. -
King's an all conference caliber player ... for me that is a 4WeakarmCobra said:Also fuck all you bitches that don't think Kevin King is a fucking 5. He was my favorite player on the team. It is a fucking travesty that he was not all conference. Dude covered, played the fucking run and made plays on special teams.
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That music cracks me up. After watching that, I gotta admit that Psalm got a lot better.HelfrichFamilyVan said:
I prefer the term "simpleton."CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Sidney MOTHER FUCKING Jones: 4.95 Rating; +1.95 diff. Almost a unanimous 5, maybe @HelfrichFamilyVan, @Houhusky, and @steelheader2 wanted him to play QB and return kicks and punts too, to earn that 5. You dumb-asses.
As an arbitrary starting point, I thought of my 4 as an all-conference player and my 5 as an all-american. I went back and forth a lot on both King and SMFJ, who are clearly elite players and were clearly essential to our defense (not to mention the culture of the program in general). In the end, the anchoring bias won.
Psalm got an automatic +1 from me for the unintentional comedy. If this isn't a worthy contribution to the program, I don't know what is:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf31UepfyY4
