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Possibility of Bain starting at guard
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Bainivalu .... Grundle... what's his film look like?
Does he have a chance of taking a guard spot -
We don't need to hire Bain to tell us OL recruiting has been poor, and we certainly don't need them anywhere near our OL operations and coaching. #Iightingmoneyonfireiscool
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I hope not. We have a 4-star guard who will be a RS-Soph (Roberts), a 4-star guard who will be a RS-Fr (Wattenberg), and some other guys who could also take a big step forward in the offseason.
I realize people still have PSD from Sark's player development (or lack there of), but just because a linemen has not cracked a starting spot by his 2nd year in the program does not mean he never will. -
I'm all for it.
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We need to put Henry Roberts picture on a milk carton. Where the fuck is he? We could have used a decent RG. I love Nick, but he is our future center
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Center will always be our center.WeakarmCobra said:We need to put Henry Roberts picture on a milk carton. Where the fuck is he? We could have used a decent RG. I love Nick, but he is our future center
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Amen.UWhuskytskeet said:
Center will always be our center.WeakarmCobra said:We need to put Henry Roberts picture on a milk carton. Where the fuck is he? We could have used a decent RG. I love Nick, but he is our future center
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He's a second year player. LIFPO. This board has gone full retard considering how well our OL played this year. We're only losing one guy from that unit. Calm the fuck down.WeakarmCobra said:We need to put Henry Roberts picture on a milk carton. Where the fuck is he? We could have used a decent RG. I love Nick, but he is our future center
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Roberts was 25+ pounds lighter than Nick Harris when he signed. After a year in the program, he was only slightly heavier than Harris was when he arrived. And Harris is a better natural athlete.WeakarmCobra said:We need to put Henry Roberts picture on a milk carton. Where the fuck is he? We could have used a decent RG. I love Nick, but he is our future center
None of that means Roberts will never be good. Nor does it mean Harris will always be a better option. Players develop at different rates, particularly on the OL. -
Outside of Bama the OL did perform very well this year. The Bama game has been hashed to death but there is another lurking weakness/threat which has not been discussed: injuries.GreenRiverGatorz said:
He's a second year player. LIFPO. This board has gone full retard considering how well our OL played this year. We're only losing one guy from that unit. Calm the fuck down.WeakarmCobra said:We need to put Henry Roberts picture on a milk carton. Where the fuck is he? We could have used a decent RG. I love Nick, but he is our future center
UW's 2016 OL had 4.5 competent players. Harris gets a .5 because he wasn't physically ready yet. However the dropoff after those 5 players was immense and UW was very lucky not to sustain any injuries to the starters. The line would have looked very vulnerable with Kirkland at tackle instead of Adams or McGary or with Brostek at guard instead of Eldrenkamp. Can't expect the same luck next season.
You really need 7 competent OL with at least 2-3 of those being elite to be a championship contender. You need the left side of the line to dominate. And you need at least one backup on the interior and one backup on the outside.
Yes we only lose Eldrenkamp. But that loss is from a dangerously shorthanded group. We don't need just one player to step up- we need two or three. I don't see that happening with the current roster. The numbers are thin and among those thin numbers there are even fewer guys who were highly recruited or even lauded as having underrated size and athleticism. Unlike at other positions this staff doesn't have a good record of churning out diamonds in the rough at OL that weren't freakishly huge and/or athletic as recruits.
Brostek never panned out despite three years and a redshirt under this staff. Neither have James, Kirkland, John Turner, Sosebee, or Burleson yet. Strausser has a lot to prove next year. Between this group, Wattenberg, and Roberts we need two-three players to step up. -
This. I would have thought Roberts was a RS Junior by the way this board is freaking out how he hasn't played yet.GreenRiverGatorz said:
He's a second year player. LIFPO. This board has gone full retard considering how well our OL played this year. We're only losing one guy from that unit. Calm the fuck down.WeakarmCobra said:We need to put Henry Roberts picture on a milk carton. Where the fuck is he? We could have used a decent RG. I love Nick, but he is our future center
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Fozzy, IPM, Harris, Jackson/Noorgard, and some other guy is how i think it plays out
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Harris?backthepack said:Fozzy, IPM, Harris, Jackson/Noorgard, and some other guy is how i think it plays out
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Jalen Harris DEAEB said:
Harris?backthepack said:Fozzy, IPM, Harris, Jackson/Noorgard, and some other guy is how i think it plays out
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Fucking this. For the first time in forever we smashed teams. Sample and Dissly are great blocking TE's.GreenRiverGatorz said:
He's a second year player. LIFPO. This board has gone full retard considering how well our OL played this year. We're only losing one guy from that unit. Calm the fuck down.WeakarmCobra said:We need to put Henry Roberts picture on a milk carton. Where the fuck is he? We could have used a decent RG. I love Nick, but he is our future center
"Yeah, but that was Stanford and Utah, not Alabama."
Alabama. Get some Fucking perspective. Cool, you have high expectations. The OL took a HUGE step this year. They should and will take another.
Our two bookend tackles are back. A four year starter is back at Center. No reason to think Harris, Wattenberg, Roberts, etc won't be better. -
Our tackles are great... excited about both those dudes taking another step. Hopefully Harris is able to put on weight and really improve, but that's far from a sure thing. Then we have Shelton at center, who's pretty mediocre, and we're replacing Eldrenkamp with Twattenenberg?, a redshirt freshman who's never played a snap. I don't feel that great about the interior of this line going into next year.
Then as @FremontTroll astutely pointed out, that's all assuming these guys stay healthy all year, which is highly fucking unlikely. Because our OL depth behind those dudes is absolute fucking garbage.
There's a reason nobody's really freaking out about losing 75% of our secondary... It's because Coach Lake is actually capable of coaching AND recruiting. -
Serious question... Do you think it would be a big loss for Alabama if their All American LT was injured?
We need better depth but pointing out that Trey Adams would be a huge loss is a true water is wet statement. -
So we are saying if we lose our all conference/all american level linemen, that our OL might struggle and we will never beat alabama?
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They'd slide Jonah Williams to LT, and insert a very good OL at RT. It would not come close to hurting them like it would us. Same could be said for a lot of the top teams because they have great depth on their OL.RoadDawg55 said:Serious question... Do you think it would be a big loss for Alabama if their All American LT was injured?
We need better depth but pointing out that Trey Adams would be a huge loss is a true water is wet statement. -
Our top end on the OL is very solid, but we have had so many misses on OL in the past three seasons that it is a very real concern going forward with depth and future roster management.
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I'd be very happy with our OL going forward if we could just sign Trey and Kaleb to contract extensions.
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6 years 81 million?CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:I'd be very happy with our OL going forward if we could just sign Trey and Kaleb to contract extensions.
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Yes I triple posted, and this makes it a quadruple post!
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Coke you're unbelievable. Did you not see how good our OL was this year? Some stones you have to bring up recruiting and depth after the performance we had in 2016.
Some people will never be happy. -
hire klem as OL coach and make strausser the GA
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Our defense showed that it can play with anyone. The OL showed that we can play only against shitty pac 12 defenses.
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It would hurt them. Yeah, the premier program has better depth but their OL had a tough time with some of our back up DL. They were far from dominant.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
They'd slide Jonah Williams to LT, and insert a very good OL at RT. It would not come close to hurting them like it would us. Same could be said for a lot of the top teams because they have great depth on their OL.RoadDawg55 said:Serious question... Do you think it would be a big loss for Alabama if their All American LT was injured?
We need better depth but pointing out that Trey Adams would be a huge loss is a true water is wet statement.
Ohio State's OL was horrible. Florida State's freshman QB took a beating in some games. I bet Alabama murders Clemson's OL in the title game too.
I don't think all of your pints are wrong. We've whiffed on some guys, the first OL class under Pete was garbage sans McGary, and we need to get better to win a title. I just think these issues are really fucking overblown because we got beat up front by the best in the business.
Good OL, will be very good next year. TBS and the future after that I'll let you handle. -
I'd agree with that, but I'm not freaking out because we got beat up by Bama up front.RoadDawg55 said:
It would hurt them. Yeah, the premier program has better depth but their OL had a tough time with some of our back up DL. They were far from dominant.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
They'd slide Jonah Williams to LT, and insert a very good OL at RT. It would not come close to hurting them like it would us. Same could be said for a lot of the top teams because they have great depth on their OL.RoadDawg55 said:Serious question... Do you think it would be a big loss for Alabama if their All American LT was injured?
We need better depth but pointing out that Trey Adams would be a huge loss is a true water is wet statement.
Ohio State's OL was horrible. Florida State's freshman QB took a beating in some games. I bet Alabama murders Clemson's OL in the title game too.
I don't think all of your pints are wrong. We've whiffed on some guys, the first OL class under Pete was garbage sans McGary, and we need to get better to win a title. I just think these issues are really fucking overblown because we got beat up front by the best in the business.
Good OL, will be very good next year. TBS and the future after that I'll let you handle.
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Just for the hell of it, can you give an example of an OL coach at a school similar in football status to Washington that you would prefer? This isn't a challenge, I'm genuinely curious.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I'd agree with that, but I'm not freaking out because we got beat up by Bama up front.RoadDawg55 said:
It would hurt them. Yeah, the premier program has better depth but their OL had a tough time with some of our back up DL. They were far from dominant.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
They'd slide Jonah Williams to LT, and insert a very good OL at RT. It would not come close to hurting them like it would us. Same could be said for a lot of the top teams because they have great depth on their OL.RoadDawg55 said:Serious question... Do you think it would be a big loss for Alabama if their All American LT was injured?
We need better depth but pointing out that Trey Adams would be a huge loss is a true water is wet statement.
Ohio State's OL was horrible. Florida State's freshman QB took a beating in some games. I bet Alabama murders Clemson's OL in the title game too.
I don't think all of your pints are wrong. We've whiffed on some guys, the first OL class under Pete was garbage sans McGary, and we need to get better to win a title. I just think these issues are really fucking overblown because we got beat up front by the best in the business.
Good OL, will be very good next year. TBS and the future after that I'll let you handle.
