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Matchups never matter ... and there's no question the end of the year USC >>>>>>>>>>> start of year SC
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Ha,
http://www.tonysoftli.com/about-tony-softli/
Just called WASHINGTON win. Says, national media lazy, wrong in much of their analysis, overrating Alabama talent while under rating Washington talent.
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Yes.montyfranklyn said:
The link you posted was clearly stupidAlCzervik said:
You missed the point.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
http://www.myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com/default.asp?sport=CFB&winner=Alabama&loser=Washington&year=2016&method=2AlCzervik said:
Probably the opposite of what USC did when they lost by 17 to a team UW beat 44-6. CHRIST.montyfranklyn said:
Serious question: From your perspective, what did USC do to dominate and control the game earlier this season?Mad_Son said:
Some light reading for youmontyfranklyn said:
Our offensive line is pretty stout too. They are strong and quick. The true indicator will be the speed of Washington's defensive line. Being big is good, but you need the speed to go along with itH_D said:
Totally agree!!! We? average a weight of 332 across the line, and they are ready to dominate the line of scrimmage. MacGeary, Tray Adams, Center, Ossai, Bulyca. These boys have an attitude and are ready to rumble!!!montyfranklyn said:Here is a simple, quick analysis. This game, like all others, comes down to the trenches. If Washington can keep Anderson, Williams, Payne, Tomlinson and Allen from living in the backfield, Washington will be able to move the ball and better control the game. The same goes for Alabama. If they can own the trenches on offense, they can better move the ball and control the clock and dictate what Washington has to do defensively and offensively. Simple
https://www.google.com/search?q=5+reasons+ossai&oq=5+reasons+ossai&aqs=chrome..69i57.6360j0j4&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com/default.asp?sport=CFB&winner=Washington&loser=Alabama&year=2016&method=2 -
You're like a long winded version of more_cock in this thread. There is nothing new for you to analyze or give an opinion on. The thread is 7 fucking pages with at least a page by you, and that's not counting words.Tequilla said:Matchups never matter ... and there's no question the end of the year USC >>>>>>>>>>> start of year SC
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Honest question, not being a dick.Tequilla said:
It's the worst game UW played all year by a wide margin ... in the long run, probably good for them to have gone through it
Isn't it somewhat telling that the "worst game UW played all year" coincided with the only really good team you played all year? This isn't an "SEC good, PAC bad" comment, as Bama played their share of turds this season. But you only faced one good team this year (no Colorado doesn't count).
I ask this because we're having a really hard time giving this UW team proper context. Like 2014 Ohio St, it's so hard to know who this team is because on one hand, your schedule was seriously trash...on the other hand, you wrecked your entire schedule. People don't understand how hard it is to play a 13 game schedule and have 1 loss and one other game that was at all in doubt.
You can't help that other teams on your schedule sucked. All you could do is go out and take care of business. But the showing against USC would have me wondering if that game was the result of finally playing a good team and that's who UW really is, or if it was just a bad day.
I tend to think it's the latter, it's just so hard to tell.
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This. The oc shut down the run, not usc. We never attempted to establish it. Jonathan SmithFS wanted to use trick plays to set up the run but when trick plays and deep balls didn't work be kept pushing them. At no point did we ever make a real effort to establish a run to have it shut down. USC didn't have to make us one dimensional because we only attacked one dimensionallyTequilla said:
Seriously? It's easier to defend one dimensional offenses?montyfranklyn said:
The thing I think that you are missing is that setting up the run sets up other plays later in the game. When the run game is nullified it hampers the OC and disrupts the offensive game plan. If a team becomes one demensional they are a lot easier to beatMad_Son said:
Nothing. I 100% fully believe we handed them the game with terrible offensive playcalling. USC was playing well and have a lot of talent. They played a good game with good players but did not dominate. The defense held them to 24 points despite spending all day on the field. The issue was our offense was asked to only do the things they couldn't do.montyfranklyn said:
Serious question: From your perspective, what did USC do to dominate and control the game earlier this season?Mad_Son said:
Some light reading for youmontyfranklyn said:
Our offensive line is pretty stout too. They are strong and quick. The true indicator will be the speed of Washington's defensive line. Being big is good, but you need the speed to go along with itH_D said:
Totally agree!!! We? average a weight of 332 across the line, and they are ready to dominate the line of scrimmage. MacGeary, Tray Adams, Center, Ossai, Bulyca. These boys have an attitude and are ready to rumble!!!montyfranklyn said:Here is a simple, quick analysis. This game, like all others, comes down to the trenches. If Washington can keep Anderson, Williams, Payne, Tomlinson and Allen from living in the backfield, Washington will be able to move the ball and better control the game. The same goes for Alabama. If they can own the trenches on offense, they can better move the ball and control the clock and dictate what Washington has to do defensively and offensively. Simple
https://www.google.com/search?q=5+reasons+ossai&oq=5+reasons+ossai&aqs=chrome..69i57.6360j0j4&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
We barely ran the ball, and when asked to they were lateral runs. USC, like Alabama, is too fast and athletic to run lateral on. After a few failed, bad run calls, the run game was abandoned.
We put ourselves behind early by trying to force trick plays and deep balls. USC was too athletic to get away with forcing trick plays. Like everyone other than our offensive coordinator knows you have to set those up through actually passing football first. He was told that teams with explosive plays win but he does not understand that is correlative, not casual, so he tries to manufacture them. Same thing goes for deep balls. Browning is not good at deep balls but he was asked to throw them early and often. John ross can run circles beneath an under thrown deep ball against Cal but not a team like USC or Bama. Deep balls were a constant play call the second half, getting increasingly desperate.
The key to beating USC for us was to stick to our strengths, take what was given, and only go for a big play once it was properly set up. We did nothing of the sort though.
We were never in a position through 3 quarters where we had to abandon the run. Even if it is just picking up 2 or 3 you have to be willing to stick with it to keep a defense honest. Lavon Coleman I believe had 2 carries during the game.
The other thing not mentioned is that was the week Jeff Tedford (our offensive consultant) took the Fresno job ... my guess is that Pete has had more of a hand in the game planning since the USC game -
They started 1-3 and finished without losing another game. That's a different team on both offense and defense.montyfranklyn said:
I think you are trying to down play the common opponent point. The link you posted was clearly stupid because Bama beat the holy hell out of Mississippi State. Mississippi State also didn't have Chad Kelly. I know you all will harp on USC changing QBs, but QBs don't play defense. They just couldn't stop Bama.AlCzervik said:
You missed the point.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
http://www.myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com/default.asp?sport=CFB&winner=Alabama&loser=Washington&year=2016&method=2AlCzervik said:
Probably the opposite of what USC did when they lost by 17 to a team UW beat 44-6. CHRIST.montyfranklyn said:
Serious question: From your perspective, what did USC do to dominate and control the game earlier this season?Mad_Son said:
Some light reading for youmontyfranklyn said:
Our offensive line is pretty stout too. They are strong and quick. The true indicator will be the speed of Washington's defensive line. Being big is good, but you need the speed to go along with itH_D said:
Totally agree!!! We? average a weight of 332 across the line, and they are ready to dominate the line of scrimmage. MacGeary, Tray Adams, Center, Ossai, Bulyca. These boys have an attitude and are ready to rumble!!!montyfranklyn said:Here is a simple, quick analysis. This game, like all others, comes down to the trenches. If Washington can keep Anderson, Williams, Payne, Tomlinson and Allen from living in the backfield, Washington will be able to move the ball and better control the game. The same goes for Alabama. If they can own the trenches on offense, they can better move the ball and control the clock and dictate what Washington has to do defensively and offensively. Simple
https://www.google.com/search?q=5+reasons+ossai&oq=5+reasons+ossai&aqs=chrome..69i57.6360j0j4&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com/default.asp?sport=CFB&winner=Washington&loser=Alabama&year=2016&method=2
With that said there was still no excuse for that loss, it was our worst performance of the year at the wrong time. Poor gameplanning, poor execution, and browning cost us at least 1 maybe 2 td's with his dead arm.
If 2nd half of the year browning doesn't improve with the time off we have no chance, but I think he will -
The stat line tells part of the story.Mad_Son said:
This. The oc shut down the run, not usc. We never attempted to establish it. Jonathan SmithFS wanted to use trick plays to set up the run but when trick plays and deep balls didn't work be kept pushing them. At no point did we ever make a real effort to establish a run to have it shut down. USC didn't have to make us one dimensional because we only attacked one dimensionallyTequilla said:
Seriously? It's easier to defend one dimensional offenses?montyfranklyn said:
The thing I think that you are missing is that setting up the run sets up other plays later in the game. When the run game is nullified it hampers the OC and disrupts the offensive game plan. If a team becomes one demensional they are a lot easier to beatMad_Son said:
Nothing. I 100% fully believe we handed them the game with terrible offensive playcalling. USC was playing well and have a lot of talent. They played a good game with good players but did not dominate. The defense held them to 24 points despite spending all day on the field. The issue was our offense was asked to only do the things they couldn't do.montyfranklyn said:
Serious question: From your perspective, what did USC do to dominate and control the game earlier this season?Mad_Son said:
Some light reading for youmontyfranklyn said:
Our offensive line is pretty stout too. They are strong and quick. The true indicator will be the speed of Washington's defensive line. Being big is good, but you need the speed to go along with itH_D said:
Totally agree!!! We? average a weight of 332 across the line, and they are ready to dominate the line of scrimmage. MacGeary, Tray Adams, Center, Ossai, Bulyca. These boys have an attitude and are ready to rumble!!!montyfranklyn said:Here is a simple, quick analysis. This game, like all others, comes down to the trenches. If Washington can keep Anderson, Williams, Payne, Tomlinson and Allen from living in the backfield, Washington will be able to move the ball and better control the game. The same goes for Alabama. If they can own the trenches on offense, they can better move the ball and control the clock and dictate what Washington has to do defensively and offensively. Simple
https://www.google.com/search?q=5+reasons+ossai&oq=5+reasons+ossai&aqs=chrome..69i57.6360j0j4&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
We barely ran the ball, and when asked to they were lateral runs. USC, like Alabama, is too fast and athletic to run lateral on. After a few failed, bad run calls, the run game was abandoned.
We put ourselves behind early by trying to force trick plays and deep balls. USC was too athletic to get away with forcing trick plays. Like everyone other than our offensive coordinator knows you have to set those up through actually passing football first. He was told that teams with explosive plays win but he does not understand that is correlative, not casual, so he tries to manufacture them. Same thing goes for deep balls. Browning is not good at deep balls but he was asked to throw them early and often. John ross can run circles beneath an under thrown deep ball against Cal but not a team like USC or Bama. Deep balls were a constant play call the second half, getting increasingly desperate.
The key to beating USC for us was to stick to our strengths, take what was given, and only go for a big play once it was properly set up. We did nothing of the sort though.
We were never in a position through 3 quarters where we had to abandon the run. Even if it is just picking up 2 or 3 you have to be willing to stick with it to keep a defense honest. Lavon Coleman I believe had 2 carries during the game.
The other thing not mentioned is that was the week Jeff Tedford (our offensive consultant) took the Fresno job ... my guess is that Pete has had more of a hand in the game planning since the USC game
RBs got 17 carries. Browning threw the ball 36 times.
The rest of the story is that Coleman only had 2 of those carries, both in the first half, and Gaskin only had 4 carries in the second half. UW did not run the ball the last 4 possessions. -
Cherry picking one game is dangerous. Virginia Tech was pretty bad the year Ohio State won the title.Secfans said:
Honest question, not being a dick.Tequilla said:
It's the worst game UW played all year by a wide margin ... in the long run, probably good for them to have gone through it
Isn't it somewhat telling that the "worst game UW played all year" coincided with the only really good team you played all year? This isn't an "SEC good, PAC bad" comment, as Bama played their share of turds this season. But you only faced one good team this year (no Colorado doesn't count).
I ask this because we're having a really hard time giving this UW team proper context. Like 2014 Ohio St, it's so hard to know who this team is because on one hand, your schedule was seriously trash...on the other hand, you wrecked your entire schedule. People don't understand how hard it is to play a 13 game schedule and have 1 loss and one other game that was at all in doubt.
You can't help that other teams on your schedule sucked. All you could do is go out and take care of business. But the showing against USC would have me wondering if that game was the result of finally playing a good team and that's who UW really is, or if it was just a bad day.
I tend to think it's the latter, it's just so hard to tell.
Ole Miss has given you trouble the past three years. None of those team's were world beaters not is Hugh Freeze a good coach.
So, the USC loss looks bad considering Alabama beat them 52-3. UW would probably plunger Ole Miss, but I wouldn't think we were beating Alabama because you had a tough time with them. -
Oh I'm not thinking that at all. I've already said here that transitive property only works across a body of work, not one isolated game with isolated circumstances. I wasn't asking in relation to how Alabama handled them, but more in the frame of - that's the only good team you played.RoadDawg55 said:
So, the USC loss looks bad considering Alabama beat them 52-3. UW would probably plunger Ole Miss, but I wouldn't think we were beating Alabama because you had a tough time with them.
Alabama lost to Ole Miss last year, but played like 10 bowl teams (who went 8-2 or something in their bowls). It's just hard to know who this UW team is considering it's one year removed from 7-6 and played such a bad schedule.
But like 2014 OSU, outside of the one loss, UW rolled right through their schedule.
