"Unbiased" Peach Bowl Preview ...
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It had such promise. I was disappointed to see the people here most capable of facts choosing to instead abstain from directly rebutting.haie said:Without reading it, this looks like a major cunt thread
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Eh. How teams compare against a season full of unit averages is pretty telling. I'm at least supporting my positions with more than 'because I like UW so I really want it to be true'Secfans said:Stats are for losers. It's like revenge of the nerds in here.
I just rolled over to your bama board. You guys are some cocky fucks.
Yeah, y'all are a big ol sack of humble over here. Wait...Does this guy realize 13 teams in the SEC lost at least four games this year? It's not vastly superior to anything anymore (it never was).
Yeah, nothing says you're a great conference like having a couple of teams who beat everyone, and the entire rest of the conference is trash. And those teams who beat everyone in conference couldn't beat anyone out of conference. Name your big OOC win this year, hell name a good team the PAC12 played competitively out of conference (Eastern Washington loss doesn't count). UCLA's OT loss to TAMU was the best win you had. But Rosen barely played the conf slate this year...
Your South champion got jail sexed by Michigan. Your South runner up lost 52-6 to us. Your best OOC win was Idaho, and your North runner up lost to EWU, Boise, and now Minnesota.
Kentucky has a better OOC win than anyone in the PAC12.I don't think anyone that brags about supported Browning for Heisman should be popping off about incorrect statements.
You missed the point of why I made that comment...like entirely.
Jail sexed is a good term. Kudos. -
Did everyone here fucking forget how to use quote? ffs
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The new fish broke itGladstone said:Did everyone here fucking forget how to use quote? ffs
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Respect to @Secfans for coming here and discussing ... this is the place where the most ardent and knowledgeable Husky fans reside ... and most here know what it's like to be on top, puff out our chests, and look down at most of the other programs.
First, let's get the Budda Baker stuff out of the way. He's 5'10" and 192 pounds (http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3127287/budda-baker) ... no question that to play at the next level, he probably needs to put on another 10-15 pounds (realistically the only reason for him to come to school is to put that weight on before going pro) ... We're pretty lucky here in Seattle to see an elite all-time safety in Earl Thomas ... Thomas is insanely reactive and quick with an instinct for the game that you just can't teach ... and that's exactly how Budda Baker is. Thomas is 5'10" and 202 pounds ... so not really that much of a difference to Budda when you think about it. Take a quick look at the NFL Combine scouting report for Earl Thomas - it sounds just like the description that you made on Budda (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Earl-Thomas?id=496745).
What I find the most confusing when listening to those who do not watch the University of Washington day in and day out is that they don't really understand how the defense is set up and designed to operate. By and large, what UW plays is essentially a hybrid 3-4 or 4-3 that actually can morph into a 2-2-2-5 formation (2 DL, 2 OLBs, 2 ILBs, 5 DBs) and what makes it unique is that the 2 OLBs don't always rush hard. The entire defense is designed to contain offenses and limit their ability to make big plays. The strength in the middle takes away the balance of the middle runs and the ends are designed to keep contain and force everything back into the middle. The idea being that if teams are being asked to have 10 or 15 plays to navigate the length of the field on the defense, there is bound to be a mistake whether it is a holding penalty, an incompletion, etc. With the strength of the defense in the secondary once the opposition gets behind the chains or scoreboard, the defense basically forces you to throw into the teeth of the defense which has then led into the turnovers.
As it pertains to the game against Alabama, there are some legit concerns that I have ... but I think the basic generic argument that comes out of the SEC is that when non-SEC teams play SEC teams they clearly have no chance because nobody else has the combination of size, speed, strength, etc. that the SEC has. In essence, that's the crux of the argument on Budda right? He's not 6'3" and 225 pounds so therefore he's a nice little player but would never be able to be successful in the SEC. So let's look at the Washington DTs and see how they rate:
Elijah Qualls: He's a 6'1" and 320 pound (conservatively) redshirt junior ... he's stout at the point of attack and athletic enough to run in space as he'll play the BUCK position for us from time to time (UW's most strategic of pass rushing OLB positions). Currently he's rated as the #3 DT on Mel Kiper's draft listings and #7 on the rankings of CBS Sports (2nd round pick).
Greg Gaines: He's a 6'1" and 320 pound redshirt sophomore ... this is going to be a recurring theme here as he's very stout at the point of attack and while probably not as quick as Qualls, definitely stronger and gets off his blocks a little better creating plays in the backfield. Right now he's the #7 listed DT in the 2019 NFL Draft (NFL Draft Scout) and my guess is that he'll end up ranking higher than that in the end.
Vita Vea: He's a 6'4" and 330 pound redshirt sophomore ... of the 3 DTs, he's got the most upside of them all as while he's still raw, he's got all the elements you want out of an elite DT. He's the #2 listed DT in the 2019 NFL Draft (NFL Draft Scout) and CBS has him as the #4 rated DT in the 2017 NFL Draft.
To me, that's a DT rotation that any SEC school would be very happy to be rotating through.
When I watch Alabama on offense and specifically tied to the run game, it's largely a zone blocking scheme and so much of their success is driven by their ability to re-establish the LOS 2-3 yards down the field. If there's a weakness of the Alabama OL, it would be in the middle (similar to Washington) and that's where I would look at when trying to figure out how the offensive game for Alabama plays out. At MINIMUM, Alabama will be seeing at least 2 of 3 of Qualls, Gaines, and Vea on the field at the same time with 2 of those 3 being in a position where they are occupying the middle of the Alabama OL. I think it will be very difficult for Alabama in a zone blocking scheme to re-establish the middle of the LOS 2-3 yards down the field. You noted the Utah game as an example of teams that ran downhill on Washington. While I'd debate on how effective that truly was, what I would point out is that if you watch Utah you'll find that they run the ball a lot with pulling OL into the hole. That's not typically what I see when I watch Alabama.
Where I have concern at how Alabama CAN attack the UW defense is running on the edge with either the jet sweeps or Hurts either on designed runs or scrambling. I expect that you'll see Washington rush in a manner that looks to contain Hurts in the pocket and at times probably leave those that aren't really used to watching UW play or our defensive philosophy confused at why we really aren't trying to initiate a pass rush ... the whole thing will be designed to keep Hurts from scrambling and trying to force him to throw in tight windows out of rhythm.
One last thing to this primary post is that you have to go back and look at how Washington tackles. The argument for why Alabama's run game can't be stopped is because they are just bigger and faster. If you're going to tackle a bigger man, how do you do that? You do it by being fundamentally sound and tackle low. That's exactly how Washington tackles and why they generally don't miss many tackles (outside of P-SALM who absolutely sucks - why the outside run scares the shit out of me). It's an argument that I've heard time and time before but it gets debunked generally fairly easily ... go back to the Rose Bowl from 2011 between TCU and Wisconsin ... same arguments were used for Wisconsin running all over TCU because they were just flat out bigger and TCU would never be able to compete running their 4-2-5 defense. They did just fine.
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You have to take with a grain of salt the stats in a game where you won 70-21 don't you think? I'm not going to pretend to know the inner workings of what happened down in Eugene this year ... just fine with me that they sucked this year. Freeman had been battling injuries as early as their game with Nebraska this year. Trying to make sense of stats in a rivalry game where Oregon probably brought everything that they had left to the table and then comparing to the next 2 weeks when they knew for sure that the season was over? That's fine I guess ... but it's where stats and real life offer differing realities to me.Secfans said:
Eh, Freeman had 4.5 YPC against you, and the next week had 0.7 YPC against Cal, then 2.2 YPC against Arizona St. Christian McCaffery and Stanford play in a pretty horrendous offense this year (81st in scoring). They run it OK but they're nothing special.DoogieMcDoogerson said:Safeties really aren't that critical to stop the run. If we are tackling your RB with our safety frequently, we're already in trouble. Our strategy will be to load the box with our LBs and our DL ( which by the way is very talented ) and stop the run. Can your QB win the game with his arm? SC gave us trouble because 1) We played a bad game and 2) they were very balanced. Stopping the run was not enough. Might be against bama as I think your QB will make mistakes and try to run/scramble That's where the good secondary comes in and Budda's coverage skills. This is actually, all things considered, a pretty good matchup for us. We completely shut down Royce Freeman and Christian McCaffery. This is a hard-hitting defense.
Dawgs win 21-17
Jalen has struggled all season throwing it consistently. But he won't have to win it with his arm. He'll have to minimize turnovers. He doesn't need some 300 yard passing game with 4 TDs for Alabama to win. Washington can win this game, but they'll need 35+ to do it.
Stanford is an interesting beast this year for a couple of reasons. First, they had some QB issues. Second, McCaffrey missed a few games during the middle of the year where the offense was even more crippled. Even with that, Stanford was 5th in the PAC running for 5.3 yards per carry in conference games and despite a lot of stats that would put them as being very middle of the conference they still ended up 6-3 in conference and 9-3 for the season. This is also where I think you have to factor when/where the game was in the season when evaluating a game. Stanford started getting offensive injuries during/after the game they played with Washington ... talking about the defensive injuries that Stanford had going into that game and how Washington exploited that I would buy that argument. But the argument that I have been hearing leading into this game is that Washington can't stop a heavy run game that leans on you. Stanford had 30 carries for 29 yards in that game. I'd say that that's fairly well stopped.
As for Hurts, the key for UW will be keeping him in the pocket and throwing routes down the field by taking away the short screens, etc. that both Kiffie and Sark like to run. As I've watched Alabama games, so much of what Alabama likes to do in the passing game is getting the ball out of the hands of Hurts quickly into the hands of Stewart and Ridley in favorable situations on the outside while limiting the risk of Hurts to make bad decisions. Alabama's able to do a lot of this by basically allowing the defense to dictate to them what they are giving up between the middle run and covering the outside. Another trait I've noticed in watching SEC games this year is how fundamentally sound some of the defenses are in their over pursuit ... which allows Alabama to easily exploit misdirection. Where Washington will be able to cause some problems for Alabama in this regard is because the basis of their defense largely is to keep the play in front of them and they are so disciplined that trying to get them to overcommit in pursuit generally doesn't happen.
Lastly, I think the idea of thinking that Washington needs to score 35+ to win is going the wrong direction. Washington's defense is going to be right up there with probably LSU as the best defense that Alabama has seen all year. Alabama's propensity to turn the ball over will be one of the handful of deciding factors in the game. Washington's MO the entire season has been to force the opposition to go long fields and taking advantage of opportunities. In this game, it will be all about finding ways to get first downs and when there are opportunities in the passing game to connect of them. But if I was the OC I'm managing this game with the number that I need to get to in the back of my mind somewhere in the 24-27 range with the expectation that whether through special teams or a defensive turnover that I'm going to get some help on getting there. The most important thing offensively will be to limit the turnovers and force Alabama's offense to have to beat Washington's defense. If this game turns into a shootout, Washington loses. There's too much talent on Alabama's defense to expect the game to get up into the high 30's or low 40's. -
I would highly recommend watching the USC vs Washington game from 2015 to get an idea of how a Kiffin/Sark called game against Washington can go horribly wrong. And here's the funny thing ... USC controlled the game on the ground with 39 carries for 190 yards ...Secfans said:
Actually I think Kiffin hates doing what works. He's obsessed with proving that he can win throwing it 25 times in the first half with a guy who is still learning how to read a defense.RaceBannon said:Thankfully Saban hates his best 240 pound running back. #9 could win a Heisman someday
But Bo Scarborough isn't Alabama's best back. Damien Harris is. 15.3 YPC against USC, 7.5 YPC on the season. He just doesn't get a lot of hype for some reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbPS0iTRQII (full game)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdUGiiiE6BU (one hour)
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Let's look at the good running teams that you point out ... not even sure that I agree with what you call good running teams (my guess is that you looked at total yards) when looking at conference games the teams that you singled out ranked as follows in terms of yards per carry in conference:Secfans said:
Actually, you allow 82% of opponent averages rushing the ball. Which is good, it's not elite. But outside of Stanford, who was down two linemen, the decent running teams you faced (Arizona, Utah, Oregon, Oregon St) all hit around their averages (or exceeded them).
Alabama will run for 200+ and exceed 5 YPC.
Again, the game isn't unwinnable for Washington, but you're arguing the wrong thing here. The match up against Alabama's run game isn't good for you. Your offensive skill players against basically anyone is.
Arizona: 4th at 5.52 yards per carry
Utah: 7th at 5.02 yards per carry
Oregon: 6th at 5.02 yards per carry
Oregon St: 3rd at 5.63 yards per carry
The top 5 was Washington, USC (conveniently left out that game), Oregon St, Arizona, and Stanford.
Arizona had a great day against the UW defense running the ball getting 308 yards on 43 carries (7.2 yards per carry). The balance of the run game came from Arizona's QB Brandon Dawkins who had 13 carries for 176 yards including a Dawkins 79 yard TD run off a read option play and 56 yard run off of a pass/scramble that set up another TD. While I realize that you can cherry pick stats all that you want, the reality is that 2 carries amounted to 135 of their 308 rushing yards. Take those 2 carries away and you're looking at 173 yards on 41 carries (4.2 yards per carry average). Obviously those 2 plays happened and between those 2 plays/TDs, another broken play long completion leading to another TD drive, and a sub-standard day for the offense in terms of its execution where they had the ball in plus-territory 5 different times where they came away with zero points, you get a game that in hindsight many look back and go "wow, I can't believe that Washington barely beat Arizona."
Utah's another example of where I think you have to go back and really look at how the game played out to understand in full. Utah did have 213 yards for the game on the ground, on 47 carries. At 4.5 yards per carry, that's a half yard behind what they averaged on the season. Washington made some adjustments at half to slow Joe Williams and really the game plan was designed to take advantage of making an inaccurate Troy Williams to have to make plays against Washington's secondary. Williams went 14 for 33 on the day for 163.
I've talked about Oregon in another post ... but the final score for the game was 70-21 and 35-7 at half with UW up 56-14 in the 3rd quarter. I'm not sure that I really care about the stats that came up at the end of the game.
As for Oregon St., again, this is another game with a lopsided score with a 41-17 final score and 31-0 at half, and 41-10 after the 3rd quarter. For the game, Oregon St had 30 carries for 177 yards ... which on the surface looks like a massive problem stopping the run. Oregon St's first TD in the 2nd half was a 75 yard TD run off of the jet sweep. So again, taking the outlier out of the picture you're looking at 29 carries for 102 yards ... I think that's fairly reasonable.
Part of the reason that you have to take Washington's stats to a certain degree with a grain of salt is that in any game where the score started getting out of hand, there was a lot of depth that got played starting as early as the 3rd quarter. It's one of the reasons why so many have pointed to Washington's "fast starts" and their 1st half scoring margin this year instead of looking at the 2nd half margin. If you look at the 2nd half margin, it's easy to look at the stats and come to the wrong conclusion by saying that UW isn't a 2nd half team. -
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