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oregonblitzkrieg
oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
edited October 2013 in Hardcore Husky Board
You guys are hardcore trolls with an anything goes attitude but I've noticed you seem to draw the line at calling out individual players for poor play and heap the rage entirely on your coaches, especially Sark. I can respect this. But say you have an individual player whose performance record is so detrimental to your team that it just can't be ignored anymore. The guy's record shows that he's been given so many chances to improve his game but establishes such a dismal track record that it is apparent he just won't get it done and really just needs to go. Somewhere. Anywhere. Just off the fucking field. Do you still refrain from calling out the individual player, or do you maintain that the blame is 100% on the coaches for continuing to put faith in this player?
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Disagree. You must be knew here.

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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,543 Founders Club
    There are many hardcore trolls among us, but I am not one of them.
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,560
    Take this to the Maldonado board
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  • CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 32,328 Founders Club
    The guy's record shows that he's been given so many chances to improve his game but establishes such a dismal track record that it is apparent he just won't get it done and really just needs to go.

    It all goes back to coaching.

    That said, there's something I just don't like about Micah Hatchie AKA the Bodyguard.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    We would have moved Lockner to safety in 2009 to make room for Price at QB.

    We've hated other individuals over the years too (Ossai, Garcia, and ASJ quickly come to mind).

    Does that answer your question?
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,543 Founders Club
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    We would have moved Lockner to safety in 2009 to make room for Price at QB.

    We've hated other individuals over the years too (Ossai, Garcia, ASJ, Ted Bundy and Christine Gregoire quickly come to mind).

    Does that answer your question?

    fixed that for you
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  • BiggusDickus
    BiggusDickus Member Posts: 553
    If you're going to bash Christine Gregoire, I am OUT

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    DerekJohnson said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    We would have moved Lockner to safety in 2009 to make room for Price at QB.

    We've hated other individuals over the years too (Ossai, Garcia, ASJ, Ted Bundy and Christine Gregoire quickly come to mind).

    Does that answer your question?

    fixed that for you
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  • Meek
    Meek Member Posts: 7,031
    the kids who play here are a result of being recruited here and/or being "developed" here... in other words it's 200% on the coaches.
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  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,331
    Chrictitoton was maybe the worst starter I have ever seen. Even his one sack he got was an accident.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,543 Founders Club
    BiggusDickus said:

    If you're going to bash Christine Gregoire, I am OUT

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    DerekJohnson said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    We would have moved Lockner to safety in 2009 to make room for Price at QB.

    We've hated other individuals over the years too (Ossai, Garcia, ASJ, Ted Bundy and Christine Gregoire quickly come to mind).

    Does that answer your question?

    fixed that for you
    BRB, JO
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,685 Swaye's Wigwam
    I don't have anything against calling out individuals. Actually it would be more accurate to say I don't mind pointing out flaws or shortcomings of individuals. It doesn't have to be a blanket condemnation of the player.

    I never have got on board with the hardcore dislike and mockery of certain players. I understand where it comes from though. Locker was propped up as a savior by most of the doogs, the DM.c admin, and the husky honks and they never let go of it even after he was exposed for what he was (a big, fast meathead with a scatter arm and scatter brain). Jordan White-Frisbee was a talented guy who turned into a bloated big mouth who couldn't back up his talk. ASJ is a guy I still like that has become a target because he seems to have come out soft and out of shape this year when this should have been his springboard season to the NFL. Pretty inexcusable.

    I have mocked Johnny Durocher and Carl Bonnell pretty mercilessly. These were two underwhelming talents at QB who DM.c and the honks kept pushing to replace Stanback. Kim made comments like "Stanback is a great athlete, Bonnell and Durocher are better QBs". This continued unabated even after both of those guys got their shot and showed they couldn't hold Stanback's jock.

    Most recently I've poked some fun at John Ross and Shaq "predator" Thompson. They're both great talents who haven't (or hadn't...Shaq is pretty damn close actually) earned all the praise that has been heaped on them. Ross himself was supposed to be worth two wins this year according to one doog. Of course we're all waiting for him to make a play against someone other than Idaho St.
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  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    The only player I ever criticized was Casey Paus. I still don't understand how Gilby named him the starter when half the time his passes didn't go beyond the line of scrimmage. He threw sideways and it was easy for the DL to simply bat the passes down! Gibly claimed something like he needed him to "run the offense."
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,147
    I can't stand the "don't bash the kids, they are trying." If they can't take it, they should play football somewhere where they won't happen.
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  • puppylove_sugarsteel
    puppylove_sugarsteel Member Posts: 9,133
    chuck said:

    I don't have anything against calling out individuals. Actually it would be more accurate to say I don't mind pointing out flaws or shortcomings of individuals. It doesn't have to be a blanket condemnation of the player.

    I never have got on board with the hardcore dislike and mockery of certain players. I understand where it comes from though. Locker was propped up as a savior by most of the doogs, the DM.c admin, and the husky honks and they never let go of it even after he was exposed for what he was (a big, fast meathead with a scatter arm and scatter brain). Jordan White-Frisbee was a talented guy who turned into a bloated big mouth who couldn't back up his talk. ASJ is a guy I still like that has become a target because he seems to have come out soft and out of shape this year when this should have been his springboard season to the NFL. Pretty inexcusable.

    I have mocked Johnny Durocher and Carl Bonnell pretty mercilessly. These were two underwhelming talents at QB who DM.c and the honks kept pushing to replace Stanback. Kim made comments like "Stanback is a great athlete, Bonnell and Durocher are better QBs". This continued unabated even after both of those guys got their shot and showed they couldn't hold Stanback's jock.

    Most recently I've poked some fun at John Ross and Shaq "predator" Thompson. They're both great talents who haven't (or hadn't...Shaq is pretty damn close actually) earned all the praise that has been heaped on them. Ross himself was supposed to be worth two wins this year according to one doog. Of course we're all waiting for him to make a play against someone other than Idaho St.

    chuck are you that retarded? Really? Ross and Shaq?
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,685 Swaye's Wigwam
    puppylove_sugarsteel said:

    chuck said:

    I don't have anything against calling out individuals. Actually it would be more accurate to say I don't mind pointing out flaws or shortcomings of individuals. It doesn't have to be a blanket condemnation of the player.

    I never have got on board with the hardcore dislike and mockery of certain players. I understand where it comes from though. Locker was propped up as a savior by most of the doogs, the DM.c admin, and the husky honks and they never let go of it even after he was exposed for what he was (a big, fast meathead with a scatter arm and scatter brain). Jordan White-Frisbee was a talented guy who turned into a bloated big mouth who couldn't back up his talk. ASJ is a guy I still like that has become a target because he seems to have come out soft and out of shape this year when this should have been his springboard season to the NFL. Pretty inexcusable.

    I have mocked Johnny Durocher and Carl Bonnell pretty mercilessly. These were two underwhelming talents at QB who DM.c and the honks kept pushing to replace Stanback. Kim made comments like "Stanback is a great athlete, Bonnell and Durocher are better QBs". This continued unabated even after both of those guys got their shot and showed they couldn't hold Stanback's jock.

    Most recently I've poked some fun at John Ross and Shaq "predator" Thompson. They're both great talents who haven't (or hadn't...Shaq is pretty damn close actually) earned all the praise that has been heaped on them. Ross himself was supposed to be worth two wins this year according to one doog. Of course we're all waiting for him to make a play against someone other than Idaho St.

    chuck are you that retarded? Really? Ross and Shaq?
    It's not about the players in this case numbnuts. It's about the dumb fucks lapping up whatever hype the DM.c guys heap on young players and running with it whether they've seen it themselves or not.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,840
    This thread is worthless without NupeDawg.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,840
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    We would have moved Lockner to safety in 2009 to make room for Price at QB.

    We've hated other individuals over the years too (Ossai, Garcia, and ASJ quickly come to mind).

    Does that answer your question?

    I would not have done that.

    But yeah, there's plenty of criticism of players here. The difference is that player criticism here is inherently criticism of recruiting, development and/or coaching decisions to play said player. Other places player criticism is to distract from or outright silence coaching criticism.
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,679 Standard Supporter
    edited October 2013
    I still hate Massey and Hurst...and. the Huskies were actually good then.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    dnc said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    We would have moved Lockner to safety in 2009 to make room for Price at QB.

    We've hated other individuals over the years too (Ossai, Garcia, and ASJ quickly come to mind).

    Does that answer your question?

    I would not have done that.

    But yeah, there's plenty of criticism of players here. The difference is that player criticism here is inherently criticism of recruiting, development and/or coaching decisions to play said player. Other places player criticism is to distract from or outright silence coaching criticism.
    Oops, I meant 2010. I wouldn't have burned Price's redshirt in 2009.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,147
    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    I still hate Massey and Hurst...and. the Huskies were actually good then.

    Massey I get, but why Hurst?

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  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    I bashed Paul Arnold. Until he had that awesome spin move against Arizona.
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,679 Standard Supporter
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    I still hate Massey and Hurst...and. the Huskies were actually good then.

    Massey I get, but why Hurst?

    I never liked Hurst. His stats were okay, but he followed Shehee, Dillon, Kaufman, Bryant, Lewis, Weathersby etc. and never lived up. I probably only saw 12-15 games between '98 and 2001,but he didn't have a lot of big runs when I watched and did have a shitload of three yd runs.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,147
    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    I still hate Massey and Hurst...and. the Huskies were actually good then.

    Massey I get, but why Hurst?

    I never liked Hurst. His stats were okay, but he followed Shehee, Dillon, Kaufman, Bryant, Lewis, Weathersby etc. and never lived up. I probably only saw 12-15 games between '98 and 2001,but he didn't have a lot of big runs when I watched and did have a shitload of three yd runs.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI3YojC75Y0

    Hurst was merely decent, but he stepped in and did a great job in 2000 after starting the year buried on the depth chart. He was one of the unsung heroes on that team. Derek has a great account of this in his book on the 2000 Huskies.

    In 2001, we could not run the ball for shit. Rich Alexis was doing terrible, but when Hurst got in we ran much better.

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  • Houhusky
    Houhusky Member Posts: 5,537
    Tripper. Johnson.

    The fact that Tripper Johnson wasn't mentioned shows how much more this bored needs to be crisped up
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    Who was the first player you ever ripped on? For me it was Damon Huard. I never forgave him for the "pick". Although I wasn't much of a fan of Vince Weathersby either and wanted James to sit him for Lewis.

    Another one that hasn't been mentioned yet that needs to be is John Whales. That mother fucker cost UW the Rose Bowl in 1995. I know Lambo is a shit coach but jesus christ kid do your fucking job.
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  • Dick_B
    Dick_B Member Posts: 1,301
    Brock "back foot" Huard.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,840
    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    Who was the first player you ever ripped on? For me it was Damon Huard. I never forgave him for the "pick". Although I wasn't much of a fan of Vince Weathersby either and wanted James to sit him for Lewis.

    Another one that hasn't been mentioned yet that needs to be is John Whales. That mother fucker cost UW the Rose Bowl in 1995. I know Lambo is a shit coach but jesus christ kid do your fucking job.

    Billy Joe Camaro

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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    dnc said:

    He_Needs_More_Time said:

    Who was the first player you ever ripped on? For me it was Damon Huard. I never forgave him for the "pick". Although I wasn't much of a fan of Vince Weathersby either and wanted James to sit him for Lewis.

    Another one that hasn't been mentioned yet that needs to be is John Whales. That mother fucker cost UW the Rose Bowl in 1995. I know Lambo is a shit coach but jesus christ kid do your fucking job.

    Billy Joe Camaro

    I can't hate the only QB to lead UW to a national championship. I just can't.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    edited October 2013
    Quinton Richardson
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  • unfrozencaveman
    unfrozencaveman Member Posts: 2,303
    In 2001, we could not run the ball for shit. Rich Alexis was doing terrible, but when Hurst got in we ran much better.

    You can't expect a team to perform after the events of 9/11. The Miami game was rescheduled for that reason, it took a lot of wind out of our sails.
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