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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    edited December 2016

    If Democrats were semi competent, they would find a way to regain the white working, lower middle, and much of the middle class by not acting like social justice warrior faggots at every turn. That's a big if of course.

    you'd think the republican message of cut social security, cut medicare, cut medicade, funnel lots of money to corporations and fight pointless wars would be easy to defeat. but the democrats can't. and when someone actually comes around with that message, they get smeared as a sexist like sanders was
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club

    If Democrats were semi competent, they would find a way to regain the white working, lower middle, and much of the middle class by not acting like social justice warrior faggots at every turn. That's a big if of course.

    This. The SJW bullshit and identity politics is what put them in this spot. Get back to worrying about jobs and being tough liberal loggers and they will turn this around. But with Ellison and Warren getting all the party power right now, don't hold your breath. They are going all in on what killed them this cycle. Stupid is as stupid does.

  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    edited December 2016
    Swaye said:

    If Democrats were semi competent, they would find a way to regain the white working, lower middle, and much of the middle class by not acting like social justice warrior faggots at every turn. That's a big if of course.

    This. The SJW bullshit and identity politics is what put them in this spot. Get back to worrying about jobs and being tough liberal loggers and they will turn this around. But with Ellison and Warren getting all the party power right now, don't hold your breath. They are going all in on what killed them this cycle. Stupid is as stupid does.

    I'm not a fan of warren (became Hillary light) but I think you are wrong. the problem with the democrats is they became republican light on economics, are weak, and use SJW garbage to cover up their shitty policies. republican establishment sellouts do the same with gun rights and worthless social issues like gay marriage and drugs.

    Ellison is not perfect but would do a good job of rebuilding the party at the grassroots, because despite this smear job he's one of the most pro worker dems. he's too divisive to run for president tho.

    If tulsi gabbard runs in 2020 she would win in a landslide. the democratic economic platform is overwhelmingly popular according to every poll. they just need to run on it.

    I'm not gonna defend warren though. she sold out and has become a coward.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    dhdawg said:

    Swaye said:

    If Democrats were semi competent, they would find a way to regain the white working, lower middle, and much of the middle class by not acting like social justice warrior faggots at every turn. That's a big if of course.

    This. The SJW bullshit and identity politics is what put them in this spot. Get back to worrying about jobs and being tough liberal loggers and they will turn this around. But with Ellison and Warren getting all the party power right now, don't hold your breath. They are going all in on what killed them this cycle. Stupid is as stupid does.

    I'm not a fan of warren (became Hillary light) but I think you are wrong. the problem with the democrats is they became republican light on economics, are weak, and use SJW garbage to cover up their shitty policies. republican establishment sellouts do the same with gun rights and worthless social issues like gay marriage and drugs.

    Ellison is not perfect but would do a good job of rebuilding the party at the grassroots, because despite this smear job he's one of the most pro worker dems. he's too divisive to run for president tho.

    If tulsi gabbard runs in 2020 she would win in a landslide. the democratic economic platform is overwhelmingly popular according to every poll. they just need to run on it.

    I'm not gonna defend warren though. she sold out and has become a coward.
    Warren faked being an Indian, and while I can deal with a lot of shit, that's pretty low. She's a rank opportunist and so far left she fell off the map. Cunt. I disagree on Ellison...but I admit I don't follow him closely. He seems to be from the SJW side of the party, but maybe he will temper that. Don't get me wrong, I don;t want the Dems to get their shit together, but until they back off gun control and transgender bathrooms, the white middle class will continue to abandon them imo.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    dhdawg said:

    Swaye said:

    If Democrats were semi competent, they would find a way to regain the white working, lower middle, and much of the middle class by not acting like social justice warrior faggots at every turn. That's a big if of course.

    This. The SJW bullshit and identity politics is what put them in this spot. Get back to worrying about jobs and being tough liberal loggers and they will turn this around. But with Ellison and Warren getting all the party power right now, don't hold your breath. They are going all in on what killed them this cycle. Stupid is as stupid does.

    I'm not a fan of warren (became Hillary light) but I think you are wrong. the problem with the democrats is they became republican light on economics, are weak, and use SJW garbage to cover up their shitty policies. republican establishment sellouts do the same with gun rights and worthless social issues like gay marriage and drugs.

    Ellison is not perfect but would do a good job of rebuilding the party at the grassroots, because despite this smear job he's one of the most pro worker dems. he's too divisive to run for president tho.

    If tulsi gabbard runs in 2020 she would win in a landslide. the democratic economic platform is overwhelmingly popular according to every poll. they just need to run on it.

    I'm not gonna defend warren though. she sold out and has become a coward.
    I would more say that the Democrats lost cause they two candidates were a crotchety old white dude who screams like Samuel L Jackson and calls himself a socialist. And a woman with too many years in public service with too much to bash and basically stood there waiting for Trump to say stupid shit.

    As much as I'd like to think the election was about policy, Trump did a great job of taking policy completely out of the conversation. Even the debates, the discussion was about his racism and sexism and her emails.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    This election was a complete repudiation of Barack Obama his policies and his silent surrender of the United States to UN authority.

    Americans know this. Hondo and the democrats are left pathetically trying to deny.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,093
    doogie said:

    This election was a complete repudiation of Barack Obama his policies and his silent surrender of the United States to UN authority.

    Americans know this. Hondo and the democrats are left pathetically trying to deny.

    But but...the Russians.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    doogie said:

    This election was a complete repudiation of Barack Obama his policies and his silent surrender of the United States to UN authority.

    Americans know this. Hondo and the democrats are left pathetically trying to deny.

    Um no. But nice try. A lot of the middle class actually think Trump will provide them hope and change. There's lot of stupid motherfuckers in this country.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    2001400ex said:

    doogie said:

    This election was a complete repudiation of Barack Obama his policies and his silent surrender of the United States to UN authority.

    Americans know this. Hondo and the democrats are left pathetically trying to deny.

    Um no. But nice try. A lot of the middle class actually think Trump will provide them hope and change. There's lot of stupid motherfuckers in this country.
    Everyone with a functioning brain realizes Trump has restored hope to Americans. What are you missing?
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    edited December 2016
    doogie said:

    2001400ex said:

    doogie said:

    This election was a complete repudiation of Barack Obama his policies and his silent surrender of the United States to UN authority.

    Americans know this. Hondo and the democrats are left pathetically trying to deny.

    Um no. But nice try. A lot of the middle class actually think Trump will provide them hope and change. There's lot of stupid motherfuckers in this country.
    Everyone with a functioning brain realizes Trump has restored hope to Americans. What are you missing?
    Right. It will be awesome to watch people like you support Trump while all he does is enrich himself and his buddies.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    edited December 2016
    Democrats lost over 1,000 elected offices nationwide in Obama's two terms.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,796 Standard Supporter
    doogie said:

    Democrats lost over 1,000 elected offices nationwide in Obama's two terms.

    Well it's a start!
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    doogie said:

    Democrats lost over 1,000 elected offices nationwide in Obama's two terms.

    You are aware the demographics of the country right? And there's a lot of dumb people that believe right wing propaganda. I'm still waiting for Obamacare to crater the economy. Oh yeah and death panels.
  • Mosster47
    Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    Swaye said:

    dhdawg said:

    Swaye said:

    If Democrats were semi competent, they would find a way to regain the white working, lower middle, and much of the middle class by not acting like social justice warrior faggots at every turn. That's a big if of course.

    This. The SJW bullshit and identity politics is what put them in this spot. Get back to worrying about jobs and being tough liberal loggers and they will turn this around. But with Ellison and Warren getting all the party power right now, don't hold your breath. They are going all in on what killed them this cycle. Stupid is as stupid does.

    I'm not a fan of warren (became Hillary light) but I think you are wrong. the problem with the democrats is they became republican light on economics, are weak, and use SJW garbage to cover up their shitty policies. republican establishment sellouts do the same with gun rights and worthless social issues like gay marriage and drugs.

    Ellison is not perfect but would do a good job of rebuilding the party at the grassroots, because despite this smear job he's one of the most pro worker dems. he's too divisive to run for president tho.

    If tulsi gabbard runs in 2020 she would win in a landslide. the democratic economic platform is overwhelmingly popular according to every poll. they just need to run on it.

    I'm not gonna defend warren though. she sold out and has become a coward.
    Warren faked being an Indian, and while I can deal with a lot of shit, that's pretty low. She's a rank opportunist and so far left she fell off the map. Cunt. I disagree on Ellison...but I admit I don't follow him closely. He seems to be from the SJW side of the party, but maybe he will temper that. Don't get me wrong, I don;t want the Dems to get their shit together, but until they back off gun control and transgender bathrooms, the white middle class will continue to abandon them imo.
    Who in the hell would want to pretend to be Indian?
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    doogie said:

    2001400ex said:

    doogie said:

    This election was a complete repudiation of Barack Obama his policies and his silent surrender of the United States to UN authority.

    Americans know this. Hondo and the democrats are left pathetically trying to deny.

    Um no. But nice try. A lot of the middle class actually think Trump will provide them hope and change. There's lot of stupid motherfuckers in this country.
    Everyone with a functioning brain realizes Trump has restored hope to Americans. What are you missing?
    Look at who he put in his cabinet.
    Con. Job.
    Trump is nothing more than a raging narcassust. He took advantage of this country just like he did with trump university, his businesses, etc
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    doogie said:

    This election was a complete repudiation of Barack Obama his policies and his silent surrender of the United States to UN authority.

    Americans know this. Hondo and the democrats are left pathetically trying to deny.

    Um, no. I'd venture to guess over half of trump voters don't even know what the UN is. Let alone any example of obama "submitting" to them
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,156 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    doogie said:

    This election was a complete repudiation of Barack Obama his policies and his silent surrender of the United States to UN authority.

    Americans know this. Hondo and the democrats are left pathetically trying to deny.

    Um no. But nice try. A lot of the middle class actually think Trump will provide them hope and change. There's lot of stupid motherfuckers in this country.
    Wrong dumbfuck. Oboner was about the hopey changey bullshit. Trump is about the fight against faggots like you.
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,636 Standard Supporter
    edited December 2016
    dhdawg said:

    If Democrats were semi competent, they would find a way to regain the white working, lower middle, and much of the middle class by not acting like social justice warrior faggots at every turn. That's a big if of course.

    you'd think the republican message of cut social security, cut medicare, cut medicade, funnel lots of money to corporations and fight pointless wars would be easy to defeat. but the democrats can't. and when someone actually comes around with that message, they get smeared as a sexist like sanders was
    People are retarded, or ignorant, or vote on one or two issues, or all of the above. I can't really explain it. It doesn't help that the media does a terrible job of covering real issues in a competent way. Example: S.S. is going broke and it will be insolvent in 15 minutes (no, that's not really the case). How many people are really going to dig deeper? What's the percentage? It's probably in the single digits. People are working 50 hour weeks anyway and many don't have the time.

    It's not like the Democrats have been really helping the bottom 80 or 90% anyway.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    dhdawg said:

    If Democrats were semi competent, they would find a way to regain the white working, lower middle, and much of the middle class by not acting like social justice warrior faggots at every turn. That's a big if of course.

    you'd think the republican message of cut social security, cut medicare, cut medicade, funnel lots of money to corporations and fight pointless wars would be easy to defeat. but the democrats can't. and when someone actually comes around with that message, they get smeared as a sexist like sanders was
    People are retarded, or ignorant, or vote on one or two issues, or all of the above. I can't really explain it. It doesn't help that the media does a terrible job of covering real issues in a competent way. Example: S.S. is going broke and it will be insolvent in 15 minutes (no, that's not really the case). How many people are really going to dig deeper? What's the percentage? It's probably in the single digits. People are working 50 hour weeks anyway and many don't have the time.

    It's not like the Democrats have been really helping the bottom 80 or 90% anyway.
    People love believing lies and voting against their own interests. The misinformation machine is especially strong in this country
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    Mosster47 said:

    Swaye said:

    dhdawg said:

    Swaye said:

    If Democrats were semi competent, they would find a way to regain the white working, lower middle, and much of the middle class by not acting like social justice warrior faggots at every turn. That's a big if of course.

    This. The SJW bullshit and identity politics is what put them in this spot. Get back to worrying about jobs and being tough liberal loggers and they will turn this around. But with Ellison and Warren getting all the party power right now, don't hold your breath. They are going all in on what killed them this cycle. Stupid is as stupid does.

    I'm not a fan of warren (became Hillary light) but I think you are wrong. the problem with the democrats is they became republican light on economics, are weak, and use SJW garbage to cover up their shitty policies. republican establishment sellouts do the same with gun rights and worthless social issues like gay marriage and drugs.

    Ellison is not perfect but would do a good job of rebuilding the party at the grassroots, because despite this smear job he's one of the most pro worker dems. he's too divisive to run for president tho.

    If tulsi gabbard runs in 2020 she would win in a landslide. the democratic economic platform is overwhelmingly popular according to every poll. they just need to run on it.

    I'm not gonna defend warren though. she sold out and has become a coward.
    Warren faked being an Indian, and while I can deal with a lot of shit, that's pretty low. She's a rank opportunist and so far left she fell off the map. Cunt. I disagree on Ellison...but I admit I don't follow him closely. He seems to be from the SJW side of the party, but maybe he will temper that. Don't get me wrong, I don;t want the Dems to get their shit together, but until they back off gun control and transgender bathrooms, the white middle class will continue to abandon them imo.
    Who in the hell would want to pretend to be Indian?
    Exactly.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    dhdawg said:

    dhdawg said:

    If Democrats were semi competent, they would find a way to regain the white working, lower middle, and much of the middle class by not acting like social justice warrior faggots at every turn. That's a big if of course.

    you'd think the republican message of cut social security, cut medicare, cut medicade, funnel lots of money to corporations and fight pointless wars would be easy to defeat. but the democrats can't. and when someone actually comes around with that message, they get smeared as a sexist like sanders was
    People are retarded, or ignorant, or vote on one or two issues, or all of the above. I can't really explain it. It doesn't help that the media does a terrible job of covering real issues in a competent way. Example: S.S. is going broke and it will be insolvent in 15 minutes (no, that's not really the case). How many people are really going to dig deeper? What's the percentage? It's probably in the single digits. People are working 50 hour weeks anyway and many don't have the time.

    It's not like the Democrats have been really helping the bottom 80 or 90% anyway.
    People love believing lies and voting against their own interests. The misinformation machine is especially strong in this country
    but, Hillary lost
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    dhdawg said:


    doogie said:

    2001400ex said:

    doogie said:

    This election was a complete repudiation of Barack Obama his policies and his silent surrender of the United States to UN authority.

    Americans know this. Hondo and the democrats are left pathetically trying to deny.

    Um no. But nice try. A lot of the middle class actually think Trump will provide them hope and change. There's lot of stupid motherfuckers in this country.
    Everyone with a functioning brain realizes Trump has restored hope to Americans. What are you missing?
    Look at who he put in his cabinet.
    Con. Job.
    Trump is nothing more than a raging narcassust. He took advantage of this country just like he did with trump university, his businesses, etc
    has he taken advantage of you yet?
  • Mosster47
    Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246
    edited December 2016
    dhdawg said:

    dhdawg said:

    If Democrats were semi competent, they would find a way to regain the white working, lower middle, and much of the middle class by not acting like social justice warrior faggots at every turn. That's a big if of course.

    you'd think the republican message of cut social security, cut medicare, cut medicade, funnel lots of money to corporations and fight pointless wars would be easy to defeat. but the democrats can't. and when someone actually comes around with that message, they get smeared as a sexist like sanders was
    People are retarded, or ignorant, or vote on one or two issues, or all of the above. I can't really explain it. It doesn't help that the media does a terrible job of covering real issues in a competent way. Example: S.S. is going broke and it will be insolvent in 15 minutes (no, that's not really the case). How many people are really going to dig deeper? What's the percentage? It's probably in the single digits. People are working 50 hour weeks anyway and many don't have the time.

    It's not like the Democrats have been really helping the bottom 80 or 90% anyway.
    People love believing lies and voting against their own interests. The misinformation machine is especially strong in this country
    A guy I grew up down the street from is a drunk and a log truck driver. I asked him how much he will love Trump if he fucks up relations with China and we end up paying 30% more for the same stuff?

    His reply was "I'd rather do that than give it to the Mexicans."

    How do you reason with that? That's the same type of human that straps a bomb to his chest and runs into a diner screaming Admiral Akbar. You can't explain, change, or fix stupid.