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Trump is an outsider

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  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Trump wasn't Hillary

    HTH
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I read it, and I don't disagree with it.

    But is it about control? Or is it about removing the profit motive from healthcare?

    I tend to think it's the latter. Same idea behind banning private prisons. The profit motive has it's place, but it shouldn't be everywhere.
    This. Hence why America has government and is not a pure capitalism. As the founding fathers intended.
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    topdawgnc said:

    I get it.

    But ...

    There is a good article in the WSJ today about the GOP strategy and how it paid off over time.

    The reality is it was born to fail.

    The goal was never to give everyone healthcare, it was to control healthcare ... and always has been.

    You can't get single payer ... even with a super majority. So you design something so monsterous and so reliant on the youth ... it collapses and the government is forced to step in and save it.

    There is enough structure there to band-aid a solution until a viable alternative can be launched.
    the goal was single payer? He may have supported it, but he never even made an effort once he got in office. And I think his donors played a part in that.
    If it was some back room scheme that obamacare would eventually lead to single payer, I would be happy. I just don't think it was the case
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    edited November 2016
    again. this is coming from someone who is in favor of at the very least a public option buy in system. For obama this reform was a chance to help out the insurance industry while getting more people insured at the same time. Single payer puts them out of business, and while there were blue dog dems standing in the way, you can twist arms. Fucking LBJ got southern democrats to pass the civil rights bill.
    And I think this has a lot to do with why he didn't push for it.
    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2010/01/12/obama-received-20-million-healthcare-industry-2008-campaign
  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113
    topdawgnc said:

    I'm interested to know how this would work.

    The private companies would go broke.

    You know, and I know ... hell even @collegdoog knows, that the average American is so fucking stupid that if given the option of "free" health care or paying for it (even with full tax deductions) ... there is no choice.

    Obamacare was designed to fail, which would force a single payer system.

    So far the failure is well on track.
    This is a system that's in use all across the world and it works great.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/weekinreview/16lyall.html

    10% of those in the UK have supplemental insurance and use private care. Most use the NHS because it's a great system.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    This is a system that's in use all across the world and it works great.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/weekinreview/16lyall.html

    10% of those in the UK have supplemental insurance and use private care. Most use the NHS because it's a great system.
    We don't need that communism here in America. Stop talking practical ideas. Commy.
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